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India in the news quite a lot now for things like this

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36921346

It is just unbelievable and there are just no words to describe what is going on!

(parts of the world are totally crazy)



"The grocer has been arrested" ......... almost a comment as though he should not have been
 
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Read this earlier mate. I honestly think some parts of the world are so outdated/backward/desperate whatever you want to call it that there's no helping them. There is no way in hell this guy doesn't know he's so far out of line it's untrue. They don't want to be helped as they're happy to murder/maim in the name of religion, class or any other reason that suits them. I can't comprehend this. I really can't.
 
Sadly it's very believable. I get updates regularly from the British Pakistani Christian association, and from this morning's email:

The love you have shown the British Pakistani Christian Association and the victims we serve has helped us save a dying asylum seeker in Thailand.

We reported on Noshad Young who despite having a two year protection from arrest having paid a visa overstayer's bail fee, was re-arrested after a malicious Immigration Detention Centre (IDC) warden ripped to pieces his official bail papers. Despite Noshad's poor health for which he gained his original bail, Noshad was arrested and his health once agian started to deteriorate rapidy. Fearing another death in the brutal IDC campaigners across the globe demanded his release.
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A 14 year old child joins that ever increasing list of Christian girls to have been abducted, raped and forced into Islamic Marriage. After the father sold his house so he could pay the legal costs for her freedom, he was shot dead by gunmen paid by the kidnappers.

Mehwish was hired as a domestic servant at the house of Zahid Iqbal (20 years) at Shadab Colony in Faisalabad on a part time basis, she and her mother were both cleaning several homes. Mehiwish has been going to school until eighth grade but when the family could no longer afford to pay the school fees they entered her into domestic servitude.
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On June 24th Aqueel Masih a resident of Lahore LDA quarters was taken to hospital after his arms had been lopped off his body, he was unconscious on arrival at the hospital. On July 12th alongside a local Christian elder Sam Bhatti a member of the Minorities Advisory Council of Punjab, Aqueel Masih registered a complaint at Ghalib Market Police Station, that three men had hacked of his arms with axes.

The report describes how Mr Masih who had been working at a petrol pump for over 4 years where he refuelled vehicles and conducted vehicle servicing and minor repairs, was approached by two Muslim men, who refueled there cars and asked him to go with them to their town for minor repairs on another vehicle. Then the men hacked off his arms during an ensuing argument. The Police First Information Report (FIR) does not include any reference to Mr Masih's arms being lopped off for not converting to Islam. An exclusion that has caused serious debate across the entire country. However BPCA have spoken with Sam Bhatti and Aqueel Masih, who have both explained that the local Police officer were not willing to include this in the original FIR. Through a fear of not being able to proceed with the crime registration or harsher treatment, they omitted this fact from the final submission.
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Their reports are often corroborated by BBC reports, in case you're wondering whether they're just made up (because some of the stuff that happens is almost unimaginable). The organisation is not anti-muslim, but seeks to help and support persecuted Christian Pakistanis.
 
ancient_mariner said:
.........The organisation is not anti-muslim, but seeks to help and support persecuted Christian Pakistanis.
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In this case, what bearing does religion have?
Dalits are classed as the lowest of the caste system, unrelated to religion, and the incident took place in India, not Pakistan.
 
whatever - they are just bloody nutters
 
Maybe westerners are the nutters and some of us really will pay the price for worshipping money?
 
nickEnackEnoo said:
Maybe westerners are the nutters and some of us really will pay the price for worshipping money?
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I don't disagree .. the world is full of nutters but not many would axe two people to death because they owed him 20 pence
 
BillN_33 said:
I don't disagree .. the world is full of nutters but not many would axe two people to death because they owed him 20 pence
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Or set fire to a young teacher for not marrying their son.
 
My current wife not understanding the vital importance of listening to German grand Prix, so much more important than decorating.
P.S. My current wife has been my 'current wife' for 35 years!
 
viv1969 said:
In this case, what bearing does religion have?
Dalits are classed as the lowest of the caste system, unrelated to religion, and the incident took place in India, not Pakistan.
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The point wasn't religion, but the persecution of minorities and those lower on the social scale - not that hard to work out, surely?

However the caste system appears to have been formalised by Vedic religious roles in Indian society, with subsequent political extension of the castes to all groups. It is a result of religion and politics working together, and was supported by the Mughal and British empires.
 
ancient_mariner said:
The point wasn't religion, but the persecution of minorities and those lower on the social scale - not that hard to work out, surely?

However the caste system appears to have been formalised by Vedic religious roles in Indian society, with subsequent political extension of the castes to all groups. It is a result of religion and politics working together, and was supported by the Mughal and British empires.
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My apologies, but your post, and every example within, contained a religious slant.
 
viv1969 said:
My apologies, but your post, and every example within, contained a religious slant.
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Sorry for mis-understanding your misunderstanding, which was reasonable. :)

The quotes I included couldn't help have a reference to religion, because of their very source. But I rather suspect that we separate Indian caste and religion too easily, because religious faith is so completely entwined in every aspect of their society, even when people don't 'believe' in an active sense.
 
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