D600 - £2000!

yeah, lol at the 5.5FPS comments.

Oh just to clarify, I replied to a post about when 1/8000 could possibly be needed. Id rather have it than not, the D700 also has 1/8000. And agree that the D600 cant be the D800 twin.

I just cant believe people are saying that it should be a grand and at 1600k (eventually) - 1900k its to expensive. Its not, its a FF sensor camera, current gen and when the RRP settles it will be very good value.
 
twist said:
I just cant believe people are saying that it should be a grand and at 1600k (eventually) - 1900k its to expensive. Its not, its a FF sensor camera, current gen and when the RRP settles it will be very good value.
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If the D800 is £2200 then £2000 is just too expensive, I expect it to drop to £1800 but I also think that £1500-1600 is a more reasonable price for a cut-down D800. Nikon also must think this hence the US price! We just get ripped off with excuses about increased costs etc when this is clearly rubbish. The cost of transporting them to the UK from Japan is of negligible difference to the US and with no other appreciable differences it should be the US price+any increased duty+VAT
 
All cameras RRP is stupid high for the first month, they cant afford for it to be the same price as the D800, it will drop sharpish. We do pay to much compared to other markets, most of the time at launch though, early adopters suffer.
 
-Rob- said:
Nikon are advertising the D800 as ground-breaking and a game-changer.

How exactly is it either of those things? To me it is an FX D7000 with 24mp.
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I presume you mean d600 and i just got that email too!:)
 
I'm still sticking with the D700, other than the lack of an SD card slot it is just fine.
 
The D800 is ground breaking, The D600 is not. It's a nice addition, just over priced I think.
 
They're certainly not messing around this time when it comes to getting them into the shops - demo models available from tomorrow, retail stock from the beginning of next week.....
 
-Rob- said:
Nikon are advertising the D800 as ground-breaking and a game-changer.

How exactly is it either of those things? To me it is an FX D7000 with 24mp.
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It is a game changer, I haven't checked but I bet it's the first full frame SLR to have a relase RRP under 2k.
 
The D700 is still going for over £1500 in some places. It's holding on to it's value pretty well. I imagine that'll start to take a dive some time soon.
 
Cagey75 said:
The D700 is still going for over £1500 in some places. It's holding on to it's value pretty well. I imagine that'll start to take a dive some time soon.
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Why? The output is superb, the ISO handling is superb and it is a professional body. Unless you are blowing up your work to 6ft x 4ft you don't need more than 14Mpx. The D600 and D700 are not really competing for the same customers other than both being FX. It's like comparing the D300s and D7000
 
I'm not basing anything on it's performance, rather sales. If the D600 takes off flying, the D700 will start to get ignored, whether it's a different animal or not. People jump to the latest big thing. I bet you'll see a tonne of used D700 hit the classifieds soon.

I was looking through Pearl Jam's photographer's concert images last night. All taken with a D700, and was really impressed at the crispness of the images shot at ISO 6400. I'm planning a D800 purchase soon, but i will be watching out for a used D700 probably, as back up. It savages my D90 in terms of ISO performance. And that's my main reason for the jump to FX. I shoot gigs a lot, and have many more lined up after getting friendly with some local bands. ISO 3200+ is a must for me.
 
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-Rob- said:
Nikon are advertising the D800 as ground-breaking and a game-changer.

How exactly is it either of those things? To me it is an FX D7000 with 24mp.
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I think you summarised why it is a ground breaker yourself!

A d7000 sized FX camera.
 
Cagey75 said:
The D700 is still going for over £1500 in some places. It's holding on to it's value pretty well. I imagine that'll start to take a dive some time soon.
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So it was sneaked in by a penny! Which is remarkable for what it was at the time.
 
simonblue said:
It will come down in price,i would say around £1500 mark soon :)
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I hope so, at that price it was worth me considering. But at the rrp given, when I checked camera price buster last night the d800 was only £100 more for a lot more camera.

Hopefully prices will drop to a reasonable level sooner rather than later :)
 
twist said:
All cameras RRP is stupid high for the first month, they cant afford for it to be the same price as the D800, it will drop sharpish. We do pay to much compared to other markets, most of the time at launch though, early adopters suffer.
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I don't think for a minute that it will remain the same price as the D800 for long. I reckon those sneaky marketing bods at Nikon have set this price for two reasons.

1. Early adopters who must have the newest kit will pay the premium for that.
2. Sales of the D800 will actually increase if it's only a couple of hundred pound more.

After a couple of months we'll see the true price for the D600.
 
cowasaki said:
Why? The output is superb, the ISO handling is superb and it is a professional body. Unless you are blowing up your work to 6ft x 4ft you don't need more than 14Mpx. The D600 and D700 are not really competing for the same customers other than both being FX. It's like comparing the D300s and D7000
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I think there's plenty of people that have not yet gone to fx who will be considering both, myself included. D700 is currently the fore runner unless i have some cash dropped in my lap!

D600 + 24-85 approx £2400
D700 + 24-70 approx £2400
 
Cagey75 said:
I'm not basing anything on it's performance, rather sales. If the D600 takes off flying, the D700 will start to get ignored, whether it's a different animal or not. People jump to the latest big thing. I bet you'll see a tonne of used D700 hit the classifieds soon.
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Only if those D700 users are happy to trade down from a "pro" body to a much smaller, semi-plastic one.....
 
Interesting thread this as I now feel the need to upgrade to FX myself, will see what the prices are like in the new year before I buy, still happy with my very capable d5000
 
Rapscallion said:
I think there's plenty of people that have not yet gone to fx who will be considering both, myself included. D700 is currently the fore runner unless i have some cash dropped in my lap!

D600 + 24-85 approx £2400
D700 + 24-70 approx £2400
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Thats what I said. "....other than both being FX...."

Anyone looking to go FX and not having a current FX camera will have a choice at that price point and that will depend on the type of person they are....


D600 higher Mpx, smaller plastic & SD cards

or

D700 pro body, better weather sealing, CF card


Didn't see if the D600 has a focus motor but that is another issue with some of the "consumer" bodies.
 
cowasaki said:
Thats what I said. "....other than both being FX...."

Anyone looking to go FX and not having a current FX camera will have a choice at that price point and that will depend on the type of person they are....

D600 higher Mpx, smaller plastic & SD cards

or

D700 pro body, better weather sealing, CF card

Didn't see if the D600 has a focus motor but that is another issue with some of the "consumer" bodies.
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It does, it's essentially just a D7000 with an FX sensor...
 
Flash In The Pan said:
It does, it's essentially just a D7000 with an FX sensor...
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I didn't know that the D7000 did either to be honest. I don't even look at consumer models as I like the heavier, larger, weather sealed pro bodies :D
 
A lot of D700 owners opted for it at the time because the next option was too expensive, the D3. They didn't have an option like this. Some of them may well prefer the lighter body. I hope they all do think on trading, as it'll mean more options for those of us planning to upgrade to FX soon.
 
The D800 RRP is £2599 I believe. So a chunky £600 more than the D600 RRP. I can see this being £1500 before the end of the year.

The D600 is not for me though. Too used to the larger bodies now, if nothing else they seem to balance better with the pro 2.8 zooms. The D600 might work really nicely with some of the smaller primes though.
 
cowasaki said:
Thats what I said. "....other than both being FX...."

Anyone looking to go FX and not having a current FX camera will have a choice at that price point and that will depend on the type of person they are....


D600 higher Mpx, smaller plastic & SD cards

or

D700 pro body, better weather sealing, CF card


Didn't see if the D600 has a focus motor but that is another issue with some of the "consumer" bodies.
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Could have sworn you said they were "not really competing for the same customers"....:thinking:

Never mind...
 
cowasaki said:
D700 pro body, better weather sealing, CF card.
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Honest question - what gives it better weather sealing as opposed to the new d600 / d7000?

Surely seals and gaskets are all pretty much the same as they help form a tight seal and cannot really vary in design or function by any measurable degree. Also neither plastic or magnesium alloy will let water pass through them provided there's no unsealed holes, you could happily make containers for water from both materials.
 
faddius said:
Honest question - what gives it better weather sealing as opposed to the new d600 / d7000?

Surely seals and gaskets are all pretty much the same as they help form a tight seal and cannot really vary in design or function by any measurable degree. Also neither plastic or magnesium alloy will let water pass through them provided there's no unsealed holes, you could happily make containers for water from both materials.
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Well, there are physical differences in weather sealing, not just including the placement but also the materials used as the seals. For example, the canon 5D mk i and mk ii cameras used foam pads instead of a rubber seal for most of the camera, compared to the nikon D700. Big difference in the weather sealing quality between the cameras due to that alone when in more extreme environments.

Sure, in light rain, you'd probably never notice a difference, but in more extreme weather conditions such as heavy rain, high humidity or minus temperatures, the difference in weather sealing quality really comes into its own.

As for the D600 as a product, its just too damn expensive to warrant buying one over the D800. Personally I would like the D800E, but the price fluctuations on it are doing my head in.
 
Just noticed there's no back AF button.

I shoot with AFtriggered by this button - is it possible with the d600 / d7000?
 
gad-westy said:
The D800 RRP is £2599 I believe. So a chunky £600 more than the D600 RRP. I can see this being £1500 before the end of the year.

The D600 is not for me though. Too used to the larger bodies now, if nothing else they seem to balance better with the pro 2.8 zooms. The D600 might work really nicely with some of the smaller primes though.
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Agree, the D300 is a perfect size and tough as nails. Gutted and surprised at the 600 being small and plastic!
 
boyfalldown said:
nowhere listing them on camera price buster still in the UK actually has any stock, or will be able to get any:shrug: Panamoz also list it as out of stock.
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Just noticed that also. Was very tempted to sell my d300s + 2 dx lenses for a new d700 at that price. Hope they come back into stock if i decide on a d700
 
James J said:
Well, there are physical differences in weather sealing, not just including the placement but also the materials used as the seals. For example, the canon 5D mk i and mk ii cameras used foam pads instead of a rubber seal for most of the camera, compared to the nikon D700. Big difference in the weather sealing quality between the cameras due to that alone when in more extreme environments.

Sure, in light rain, you'd probably never notice a difference, but in more extreme weather conditions such as heavy rain, high humidity or minus temperatures, the difference in weather sealing quality really comes into its own.
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Cheers, I didn't realise they did foam seals, I had presumed it was all rubber :)
 
What's more dissapointing is the lack of a large format (FX) compact camera (like the new Sony RX-1). Instead we get the J2 which is pretty much the same as the first generation of the Nikon 1. Thom Hogan sums it up best:

"Nikon J2 and 11-27.5mm lens—feels more like a relaunch of the same product rather than a meaningful update to an existing one. After a year of development (that's seven in dog and consumer electronics years) what did we get? The V1 LCD on the J2, some warmed over special effects, plus 3.5 millimeters and VR lopped off the kit lens to create a slightly shorter kit lens that isn't offered in a kit (at least in the US). Apparently the Nikon 1 engineers, after four years gestating, went into post partum depression and took the year off."
 
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