D300 R-12

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Hi Guys,
Just got a D300 and hooked it up to the MBD10 along with 8 AA's for max fps.
I got a Lexar UDMA 300X to test fps, but I get R-12. Which if im reading it right means 12 shots before the buffer is full.
Ive tried it on every image quality setting and with all enhancements on and off, but nothing seems to shift the R-12, and sure enough, after 12 shots, the buffer fills :(
Any ideas?

Cheers
 
What ISO you shooting at?
 
I thought the same as I was on 800, but then down to 200 and no change
 
What memory card are you using as this can have an impact on read/write speeds.
 
Mine shows r16 with the same card. I don't think this means that you can take only 12 / 16 shots, because as soon as the camera memory starts filling up it will start transfering to the card.I don't think it will change with a slower card either, it's the capacity of the camera buffer that's being indicated. Are you shooting 12 bit or 14 bit ? See page 77 & 78 of the manual. See also page 402.
 
Gareth_R said:
Mine shows r16 with the same card. I don't think this means that you can take only 12 / 16 shots, because as soon as the camera memory starts filling up it will start transfering to the card.I don't think it will change with a slower card either, it's the capacity of the camera buffer that's being indicated. Are you shooting 12 bit or 14 bit ? See page 77 & 78 of the manual. See also page 402.
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I already stated that. mine does mean 12 shots, I can fire off 12 shots at max fps then it drops to 1 or 2 fps while its writing to the card. I also already said I have tried all different file formats, jpeg, raw, 12, 14bit, everything, and they are all the same, r12
 
Have you tried resetting it? 2 green buttons. Doubt it will do anything, but its worth a try.
Hope it works out ok.
 
oreo5000 said:
I already stated that. mine does mean 12 shots, I can fire off 12 shots at max fps then it drops to 1 or 2 fps while its writing to the card. I also already said I have tried all different file formats, jpeg, raw, 12, 14bit, everything, and they are all the same, r12
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Have you tried switching off Active D Lighting. Mine shows R16 with raw uncompressed or any other size for that matter but when I switch on Active D it drops to R12.
 
Gareth_R said:
Have you tried switching off Active D Lighting. Mine shows R16 with raw uncompressed or any other size for that matter but when I switch on Active D it drops to R12.
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Yup, like I said, I have tried it with all enhancements on and off, including D lighting :S
 
Mine shows R12 no matter what setting its on, could it be card related......:shrug:
 
oreo5000 said:
Will it only fire off 12 at max fps before it fills the buffer?
Are you using the same card as mine?
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Extreme 3, 8 gig.

Shoots 12 at 6FPS, no grip, then slows right down to 1 sometimes 2 a second.......:suspect:

Same either Jpegs or Raw and basic J`s.
 
OK I admit I'm clutching at straws now, but, have you got setting d5 (max continuous release) set to 100 ?
 
Gareth_R said:
OK I admit I'm clutching at straws now, but, have you got setting d5 (max continuous release) set to 100 ?
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yep.......just going through the handbook with fine toothed comb now.....:bang:
 
Page 403 seems to be the answer.
 
I just tried, jpeg basic, small, size priority, iso 500, Manual 1/500th f4, active d off, and got 100 shots at 8fps before the buffer filled.
 
fracster said:
Extreme 3, 8 gig.

Shoots 12 at 6FPS, no grip, then slows right down to 1 sometimes 2 a second.......:suspect:

Same either Jpegs or Raw and basic J`s.
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Same, and im using the grip and 8x AA's along with an Enel3e in the camera!
 
Gareth_R said:
I just tried, jpeg basic, small, size priority, iso 500, Manual 1/500th f4, active d off, and got 100 shots at 8fps before the buffer filled.
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Something strange is happening. I just tried your settings, and bingo it worked, then the batteries in my D10 died. They are brand new 2700mah fully charged AA's.. 8 of them! The stranger thing is I tried near enough those settings with D lighting off last night and it would only do 12. Turning D lighting off now seems to get all 100.
 
could be that the recahargable AAs aren't kicking out enough juice. try out an el4 type battery if you can or some non rechargable AAs.
 
oreo5000 said:
Which of those statements was true for you fracster?
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Lowering the ISO, going from optimal to size on the jpegs.I need to spend more time getting to know this camera, to be honest 12 shots at 6 fps is more than enough for the stuff that I do really.
 
Now even stranger, I removed the 8 AA's then put them back in again, and now it claims the grip is at full power, and it must be because its firing off 9fps non stop!

Any reason why it would switch back to using the camera battery before the grip was dead (I have it set to use the grip first in the menu)
 
I use Energizer 2700 Nimh AA in the grip with an en-el3e in the camera. Set to use grip 1st.
 
fracster said:
Lowering the ISO, going from optimal to size on the jpegs.I need to spend more time getting to know this camera, to be honest 12 shots at 6 fps is more than enough for the stuff that I do really.
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Changing those doesnt affect mine, its purely the D-lighting, although I think my lexar is a slightly faster card than yours
 
oreo5000 said:
Now even stranger, I removed the 8 AA's then put them back in again, and now it claims the grip is at full power, and it must be because its firing off 9fps non stop!

Any reason why it would switch back to using the camera battery before the grip was dead (I have it set to use the grip first in the menu)
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yea, because the rechargeable AA's drop in voltage much quicker than standard AA's so the cameras circuitry thinks they are flat.
 
ruvor said:
yea, because the rechargeable AA's drop in voltage much quicker than standard AA's so the cameras circuitry thinks they are flat.
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ah, I see. But 2700 NIMH's actually last longer than standard aa's though right?
 
Are you sure the camera isnt limiting the fps rate as you are only usng AA's? Have you got means of using a second lithium-ion battery or ENEL4e to see if it makes a difference?
 
oreo5000 said:
Same here, at 9fps does your d300 think your grip is dead after a while?
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No it doesn't.

I copied this from another forum which may be of interest....

(I concur with just about everything that has been said. To wrap it up, here are your options:

3e Battery - Use in grip and body and you only have one charger to contend with. Down side is they don't get the shear number of shots you can get with the 4a or AAs, nor can you get the higher 8 fps. 6 fps will work just fine for most people.

4a battery - fine if you already have them, along with the charger. But, you still need to find the BL-3 adapter. None of the stores seems to have them and one sold on ebay the other day for almost $200. That for an item that normally sells for $35.

If you don't currently have the battery and charger, you can look to spend over $250 for the entire package to use in the D300.

You will get 8fps with the 4a. You will get over 2,000 shots with this battery.

AA batteries - battery sled/tray comes with the D300. Using NimH batteries also will get you 8fps and you will also get over 2,000 shots without going to the 3e battery in the body. Buy an extra sled/tray for $20-$25 and you can have an extra tray loaded with batteries that takes seconds to swap out.

I have 24 rechargeable 2700 MaH batteries that seem to last forever. They also fit my SB800 flash. But, I have to have two chargers if I'm going on a trip - 1 for the AAs and 1 for the 3e. When I go on a shoot I take an extra 3e battery with me but I have never used it.

The only downside to the normal AA rechargeables is that they do lose part of their charge over time - more so than either the 3e or 4a. But, there are new batteries on the market that retain their charge for a longer period of time but are around 2000 MaH.)
 
King_Boru said:
Are you sure the camera isnt limiting the fps rate as you are only usng AA's? Have you got means of using a second lithium-ion battery or ENEL4e to see if it makes a difference?
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No, 8x AA's are the same as using an ENEL4e, and im not prepared to drop £80 on the 4e plus another £150 for the chargers, when I can use 8x AA's :)
 
Gareth_R said:
No it doesn't.

I copied this from another forum which may be of interest....
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Well thats exactly what im doing, it seems ok now :S Maybe a slight glitch.. I hope my D300 isnt on its way out already. I had issues with my D200 not spotting batteries in my MBD200 :S
 
oreo5000 said:
No, 8x AA's are the same as using an ENEL4e, and im not prepared to drop £80 on the 4e plus another £150 for the chargers, when I can use 8x AA's :)
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not exactly though, an el4 puts out 11.1V whereas 8 NiMh AAss could be as low as 9.6V which is what is possibly causing some problems. AAs are meant to put out 1.5V, but some brands of rechargeables are really below spec and can go as low as 1.2V
 
< but some brands of rechargeables are really below spec and can go as low as 1.2V >

Rechargeable nicad / nimh cells are designed to give 1.2v. They are howevr capable of supplying a much higher current than Alkaline cells. The "AA" designation refers to the physical dimension of the cell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA_battery
 
yea, but the lower voltage tricks the camera/flash into thinking they are at a low charge/empty often long before they are.
 
ruvor said:
yea, but the lower voltage tricks the camera/flash into thinking they are at a low charge/empty often long before they are.
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I don't think so. The camera is DESIGNED to work with rechargeable nimh AA batteries. The menue system asks you to specify what type you are using in the grip. see menue option d10 (Page 285 in the manual)

This graph may be of interest..
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See how quickly the voltage of the alkaline cell drops in comparison to the nimh rechargeable.
 
Not tried how many pics it can take with my D300 and grip, but hope I can shed a little light on your battery problem.

Firstly rechargeable batteries do have problems with charge. If you have never used a charger that can discharge before recharging I suggest you get one. Cheapest I have found with a set of batteries is this one from 7 day shop:

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=103805

You will find that new and hard used batteries will need to go through this process. The problem can be one battery which will cause problems with the remaining set.

For what it is worth I used my D300 every day for about 2 weeks taking some 2000 pictures and my 2700mA batteries were still almost fully charged!

Week before last I took 1,630 photos at my Daughters wedding and once again the batteries did not seem to have been drained hardly at all.

Regards

Chris
 
G2EWS said:
Not tried how many pics it can take with my D300 and grip, but hope I can shed a little light on your battery problem.

Firstly rechargeable batteries do have problems with charge. If you have never used a charger that can discharge before recharging I suggest you get one. Cheapest I have found with a set of batteries is this one from 7 day shop:

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=103805

You will find that new and hard used batteries will need to go through this process. The problem can be one battery which will cause problems with the remaining set.

For what it is worth I used my D300 every day for about 2 weeks taking some 2000 pictures and my 2700mA batteries were still almost fully charged!

Week before last I took 1,630 photos at my Daughters wedding and once again the batteries did not seem to have been drained hardly at all.

Regards

Chris
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Thanks for the info chris!
Im using ansmann batteries (2700) along with the Digispeed 4
http://www.battery-force.co.uk/detail_AMAANI004P.html?via=fg
 
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