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Hi Everyone,
This and few years previous I have done Crufts supporting friends that show taking a few snaps.

And it dawned on me yesterday that over 160.000 folk pass through the doors. From all over the World except I didn't see any Asian or Arabic families. It was weird in a multi national event like this.

Are they not big fans of Dog ownership?

Our next door neighbours are from India and they are fine with our Fox Terriers. Just looked weird when looking at the huge crowds.




(Serious question and no slurs or remarks toward any race please Ladies and Gents.)
 
From my experience through working with those of Arabic origin, and visiting Arabic nations, I can certainly attest that they are very much not fans of dog ownership.
And oddly, dogs seem to dislike them intensely too.
 
My mate is a dog handler and he says that when on patrol he suffers verbal abuse from Arabic/Asian people especially when he climbs onboard public transport.......he was recently spat on by a young Asian when the dog stopped and indicted a substance in the guys back pack......turned out to have traces of gun powder residue.......according to my mate, Asian/Arabic people don't like dogs but personally I love dogs.........and miss my two collies so much but already they now have the lives they deserve......
 
A sweeping generalisation, but many Arabic families will be Muslim, dogs generally aren't popular
 
yes, Allah told his prophet that the dog is an unclean animal and should be avoided
 
Just to add to the intrigue and excitement of what is after all a Dogs Beauty show......

In stop press news this morning....Dog drops dead on returning home from Crufts, poisoned meat suspected.......Miss Marple has been informed.
 
Although it's just a beauty show, there's serious money to- upwards of £800 stud fee for a dog that's seen as desirable
 
Bernie174 said:
Just to add to the intrigue and excitement of what is after all a Dogs Beauty show......

In stop press news this morning....Dog drops dead on returning home from Crufts, poisoned meat suspected.......Miss Marple has been informed.
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The Metro reports "awaiting toxicology reports which are due in a few days" - poor Jagger, strange though that the owner says "he had been fed cubes of beef laced with poison"

I wonder how that was known ? -that small but significant detail was not reported on in the same article.
 
Apparently The Sun is leading with "Murder at Crufts".

The status of page three this morning is not known.

The Metro reports "awaiting toxicology reports which are due in a few days" - poor Jagger, strange though that the owner says "he had been fed cubes of beef laced with poison"
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Is Hercule Poirot assembling everyone in the parlor as we speak???????

Although it's just a beauty show, there's serious money to- upwards of £800 stud fee for a dog that's seen as desirable
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Have you seen how much cash the Miss World contestants used to walk away with? I would possibly not charge my Stud fee with them if asked either, but anyway, yes it is all very serious.

How do you type "There's been a Muuuuurrrrrder" in a Scots accent?
 
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Blank_Canvas said:
The Metro reports "awaiting toxicology reports which are due in a few days" - poor Jagger, strange though that the owner says "he had been fed cubes of beef laced with poison"

I wonder how that was known ? -that small but significant detail was not reported on in the same article.
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There has already been a postmortem carried out on the dog, where the 3 cubes of beef were found in his stomach.

Agatha Christie jokes aside, this is pretty terrible really.
 
So its not serious, that apparently, someone has deliberately done this to a dog?
 
So its not serious, that apparently, someone has deliberately done this to a dog?
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In the same week as my mother died, I went to a call where a chap had opened the front door only to have his head blown off by another chap with a sawn off shotgun. A few months later, on Xmas day, I went to a sudden death, Gran was face down in her turkey. Those are serious. So on that scale, no, its really not that serious at all. The fact people feel the need to treat it seriously is far more worrying.

Like I said, a sense of proportion, it's always a good thing to have.
 
Sorry, I forgot that you were the only person to have ever seen or witnessed anything serious/disturbing. I do apologise.

Im out.
 
Sorry, I forgot that you were the only person to have ever seen or witnessed anything serious/disturbing. I do apologise.
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No, I don't think that's true is it? I mean the family of gran witnessed something very disturbing didn't they. Granted I guess you consider that news of a dog possibly being poisoned is far more serious, but I doubt that in any proportional way of thinking it is.
 
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Nikon_Nick said:
So its not serious, that apparently, someone has deliberately done this to a dog?
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It is a terrible thing and I'd be terribly upset if I owned the dog and I do feel very sorry for the owners.

However, Its not a murder though as the Sun report but 'criminal damage' which does not rank particularly high in Home Office offences. Whilst it is serious it's important to keep it in perspective. Like Bernie, I have been witness to some extremely disturbing and violent scenes and perhaps become desensitised to a degree or not particularly shocked or surprised by the actions of some people. Human nature is often distinctly inhuman.
 
Bernie174 said:
No, I don't think that's true is it? I mean the family of gran witnessed something very disturbing didn't they. Granted I guess you consider that news of a dog possibly being poisoned is far more serious, but I doubt that in any proportional way of thinking it is.
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He didn't say the poisoning of a dog was far more serious, he merely said that a dog being deliberately poisoned was a terrible thing, which it is.
 
Of course it's serious.
It involves someone's business, their income.
I suspect Miss Marple would make more effort investigating the matter than conventional law enforcement will.
 
viv1969 said:
Of course it's serious.
It involves someone's business, their income.
I suspect Miss Marple would make more effort investigating the matter than conventional law enforcement will.
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I'll say,

I can imagine PC Bernie (in his day) turning up to the owners house, telling them to get a sense of perspective, then wondering "what did I say" when sitting in the canteen laughing with his fellow comrades.
 
Bernie174 said:
The fact people feel the need to treat it seriously is far more worrying.

Like I said, a sense of proportion, it's always a good thing to have.
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The most worrying thing is your basic lack of empathy.

Emotion by tick box.
 
I really like dogs and have a Border Terrier (see my blog). I'm not a fan of dog shows mainly because of controversies that never really go away.

The dog-poisoning at Crufts is dreadful. I can imagine how I would feel if someone poisoned my dog. However, it worries me when animals get humanised. We can't talk about "murdering" a dog when human life is so precious. Law and punishment reflect this fundamental truth.

Just recently during an ad break on TV an appeal was made for children who are sick and die because of contaminated water. No one in the room commented. Immediately after this appeal another was made for suffering donkeys. A dog-lover in the room was appalled.

I can't understand anyone who only donates to an animal charity but ignores the plight of people. It doesn't make sense. Something is wrong somewhere.
 
The most worrying thing is your basic lack of empathy.
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Its a dog. I don't know it, or its owner. There is nothing to be emphatic with.

Tick box emotion is something I'd described as those who have to 'feel' something for things they are totally unconnected to, like doing the RIP thing when someone they don't know dies, but feel they have to tell the world by doing it on the internet. I'd rather people were honest, it doesn't affect me therefore I have no need to feel sorrow for it.

Of course it's serious.
It involves someone's business, their income.
I suspect Miss Marple would make more effort investigating the matter than conventional law enforcement will.
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Funny though, how you 'care' about a dogs owners feelings, but not about the feelings of the 'conventional law enforcement', the RSPCA, oh you didn't expect that did you? Actually, the RSPCA have a very good record of investigations.

As for it being their income. Is it, or have you just invented that? A friend of mine is one of the Kennel Club staff at Crufts, and breeds from her dogs. Its not her main income, and never will be.

Sam

You have hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't the cruelty, its that people can't put the issues into the order of priority they should be in.

Does a dog matter that much? Yes, to the owners, if it is treated like a pet (and that's something in some cases is debatable!). But to anyone else, what difference does it make? None. Yet it assumes this human like priority, so much so, when that attitude is mocked, rightly, they can't see it for what it is.
 
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viv1969 said:
From my experience through working with those of Arabic origin, and visiting Arabic nations, I can certainly attest that they are very much not fans of dog ownership.
And oddly, dogs seem to dislike them intensely too.
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I have/had five dogs (all Labs). It was/is rare for them to dislike anyone, but when they did their judgement was spot on.

Dogs have long been associated with Arab peoples. The Saluki was considered to be a gift from Allah.

I would not read anything into any group's non attendance at Cruft's.
 
Daryl said:
Hi Everyone,
This and few years previous I have done Crufts supporting friends that show taking a few snaps.

And it dawned on me yesterday that over 160.000 folk pass through the doors. From all over the World except I didn't see any Asian or Arabic families. It was weird in a multi national event like this.

Are they not big fans of Dog ownership?

Our next door neighbours are from India and they are fine with our Fox Terriers. Just looked weird when looking at the huge crowds.




(Serious question and no slurs or remarks toward any race please Ladies and Gents.)
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IFF UAE054 by www.wildlifenorthwest.co.uk, on Flickr Like everything else mate, some do, some don`t.
 
Dog shows are anti dog - just about every hereditary defect in every breed of dog is directly attributable to dog shows, in that selective breeding designed to enhance certain 'qualities' in different breeds results in dogs that are not fit for purpose. Crufts is just another dog show, it's status owes nothing more to the fact that the Kennel Club runs it. A lot of people, not least the Kennel Club, make a lot of money from dog shows. The losers are the dogs, and the public who buy the reject purebred dogs that are inherently unhealthy.

As for the dog that was allegedly fed poisoned meat, if the owner was aware of this why did h/she not take immediate action to prevent the dogs death? Vets are in attendance at Crufts, and even without a vet present, any dog owner would know that a teaspoonful of salt at the back of the throat would have caused the dog to immediately throw up and get rid of the poison - but of course that would have made a mess of the dogs coat...

Back on topic, there are plenty of people of moslem faith who have kept dogs as status symbols or guards, it's just that they tend not to keep them as companions.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Dog shows are anti dog - just about every hereditary defect in every breed of dog is directly attributable to dog shows, in that selective breeding designed to enhance certain 'qualities' in different breeds results in dogs that are not fit for purpose. Crufts is just another dog show, it's status owes nothing more to the fact that the Kennel Club runs it. A lot of people, not least the Kennel Club, make a lot of money from dog shows. The losers are the dogs, and the public who buy the reject purebred dogs that are inherently unhealthy.

As for the dog that was allegedly fed poisoned meat, if the owner was aware of this why did h/she not take immediate action to prevent the dogs death? Vets are in attendance at Crufts, and even without a vet present, any dog owner would know that a teaspoonful of salt at the back of the throat would have caused the dog to immediately throw up and get rid of the poison - but of course that would have made a mess of the dogs coat...

Back on topic, there are plenty of people of moslem faith who have kept dogs as status symbols or guards, it's just that they tend not to keep them as companions.
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The owners were not aware, Garry, until they got him home and he died.
 
Bernie174 said:
Funny though, how you 'care' about a dogs owners feelings, but not about the feelings of the 'conventional law enforcement', the RSPCA, oh you didn't expect that did you? Actually, the RSPCA have a very good record of investigations.

As for it being their income. Is it, or have you just invented that? A friend of mine is one of the Kennel Club staff at Crufts, and breeds from her dogs. Its not her main income, and never will be.
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I mentioned income, not "main" income, try to keep up.
You must get a might fine view of the world from that steed you sit astride.

You have previously mentioned that you see my posts as irrelievent to topics......yet your record in this one.......

Bernie174 said:
In stop press news this morning....Dog drops dead on returning home from Crufts, poisoned meat suspected.......Miss Marple has been informed.
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Bernie174 said:
Apparently The Sun is leading with "Murder at Crufts".

The status of page three this morning is not known.



Is Hercule Poirot assembling everyone in the parlor as we speak???????



Have you seen how much cash the Miss World contestants used to walk away with? I would possibly not charge my Stud fee with them if asked either, but anyway, yes it is all very serious.

How do you type "There's been a Muuuuurrrrrder" in a Scots accent?
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
 
Are Ruth and Bernie secret lovers trying too hard to hide the fact?.......;)
 
I do find it odd how more people seem to get upset when dogs cats are killed than human beings ?
 
This incident doesnt directly affect me either, and to take it even further, an American journalist that ive never previously heard of (let alone 'know') being beheaded by IS doesnt 'affect' me either. However, just because I have no personal connection to these things, doesnt mean that I cant/dont think something is terrible/sad/serious etc.
 
You have previously mentioned that you see my posts as irrelievent to topics......yet your record in this one.......
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Well, firstly Viv, its about crufts. So not totally irrelevant, you probably worked that one out on your own, didn't you? But what I questioned was why you, when you sense allies, go for the personal attacks, not make comment about the subject.

And if you are so bothered by that, why continue it? You ouse hypocrisy like a weeping sore. Yes, that's stooping to your level, but hey if its good for you to do it........
 
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viv1969 said:
Just like you and Brash? ;)
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Think what you like about Brian and I, but let me assure you that neither of us are fudge packers.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I do find it odd how more people seem to get upset when dogs cats are killed than human beings ?
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i'm not sure its an either/or - people get upset about things like this because they can imagine it happening to their pet , equally people get upset when people are killed in the uk (or other first world places) because they can imagine it happening to their family and friends ... i'd suspect many find it less easy to get upset about people or animals dying in the third world because theres a less direct link to their every day lives.

on the charitable donation front i support both - but most of the charities i support are UK based - that decision has nothing to do with lack of empathy and more to do with charity begining at home.
 
I think it is a very serious event. Regardless what anyone thinks of dogs in the pecking order, we have a situation here where it seems someone or a group of people would go through the trouble to kill an animal on purpose. That should be investigated and dealt with appropriately. It is an intriguing plot of money, bitches, prestige and possibly protest group.

I'm sad to learn that our resident former police officer would not have treated this with sensitivities and seriousness it requires.
 
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