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Hi all
I recently bought some b&w developing equipment and 10 rolls of Agf vista to do some home cross developing with colour film in b&w dev
I have been looking on the Internet and seen some stunning images processed this way
But I'm not having much luck if I'm honest 1st roll I developed for 8 mins in 9:1ilford develop and fixed at 4:1 for 4 mins
Nothing nice came of it
2nd roll a Kodak 400 t max same method and no images were fixed
3rd dev in 100:1 for 1 hour 5 mins in fix again very poor images exstreamly faint
I'm not one to give up but after some advice where am I going wrong with this ?
I'm scanning negs on Epson v370 they are coming out very overexposed but sure it's not down to me or the camera as I get some good results from my f90 normally
I will be trying some proper b&w film too but I really wanted to get a decent image this way so any advice greatly appreciated
Thanks all
 
From my limited experiments with colour film in black and white developer, I would try a lot longer development time.

EDIT: Just read the time for the third roll... perhaps that's not it!


Steve.
 
mbphoto said:
I'm not one to give up but after some advice where am I going wrong with this ?
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Conventional cross processing is between colour processes, E6 film processed in C41 or visa versa.
I don't see colour film souped in b/w chems as a viable alternative cross process, you can do it for fun, but its not surprising they're mostly poor.
IMO, that's where I think you're going wrong...:)
 
I am assuming that your ratios are just written the wrong way round?.
Are you mixing 1 part developer to 9 parts water?.... and your fix is 1 part fix to 4 parts water?.
 
I've had some success with Poundland's Vista 200 stand developed in R09 50:1 for 1 hour

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I'd call the result 'acceptable' rather than 'excellent' or 'poor'. The negatives have very little contrast, so that needs to be boosted by software. If your scanner uses autofocus, it may be difficult to achieve correct focus on some frames.
 
Any chance somebody could post up a frame of what to expect from colour film dev'd in b&w chems without the benefit of software post production? Just how s*** is it?
 
RaglanSurf said:
Any chance somebody could post up a frame of what to expect from colour film dev'd in b&w chems without the benefit of software post production? Just how s*** is it?
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Here's that photo from my Picasa 'originals' sub folder.

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I think that's it as it came out of the scanner untweaked.
 
RaglanSurf said:
Any chance somebody could post up a frame of what to expect from colour film dev'd in b&w chems without the benefit of software post production? Just how s*** is it?
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Sh**t. Asha had some that looked great but the few times i tried all i got was a grainy mess.
 
steveo_mcg said:
Sh**t. Asha had some that looked great but the few times i tried all i got was a grainy mess.
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Semi stand for an hour then bump contrast in post ...perfectly usable images albiet b&w film in b&w chemistry is always going to better as is colour film in colour chemlstry............t'is why they are produced to be processed in specific chems!
 
Thanks for all the replys sorry for slow reply from myself been moving house
So is a slow develop the best way to go with this ?
 
so...
managed to get moved and eventually settled in
i got a well deserved day off work saturday and planning to go shoot some 35mm and 120 film i will be attempting more vista in b&w chemical processing as really would like to get a image from it
any advice would be really handy what dilute ratio has worked for you in the past? its just one of those things i want to try lol
 
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