Cricket - Focal lengths

Off to Lords next week for the Eng v Windies test match.

Looking at the regulations, I can only bring in a lens up to 200mm.
Can I get away with sticking in a x2 teleconverter in my picnic bag to go on my z70-200?

I've emailed the media department in the hope I can get a media pass but I think there's more chance of Liz Hurley coming round for tea tonight than somehow jumping the system to get a pass but at least I've tried :)
 
Because I shoot Nikon I have found that the 300mm and the 500mm Nikon PF's are good to have on two bodies for sports day - (grand) kids cricket and football matches etc.,
 
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Off to Lords next week for the Eng v Windies test match.

Looking at the regulations, I can only bring in a lens up to 200mm.
As is often the case, the regulations have been written by someone who doesn't have much of a clue. About cameras or English.

Any camera tripods, monopods, lenses with a total focal length of greater than 200mm or commercial digital video equipment or sound recording equipment is strictly prohibited unless authorised by MCC.

Tripods with a focal length...

Lenses with a total focal length. Does this mean you add up the total focal lengths of all your lenses? Or maybe a 70-200 is 270mm :D
 
Tripods with a focal length...

Lenses with a total focal length. Does this mean you add up the total focal lengths of all your lenses? Or maybe a 70-200 is 270mm :D


English comprehension is a wonderful thing. Which is why there is no comma after the word 'lenses', limiting the subclause about focal length to just that word.
 
English comprehension is a wonderful thing. Which is why there is no comma after the word 'lenses', limiting the subclause about focal length to just that word.
Ah yes, thanks.

And the total focal length…?
 
Ah yes, thanks.

And the total focal length…?
my reading of this means take all your lenses and add up their focal lengths. TCs is a question, it's a lens and doesn't have its own focal length.... ;)
 
I tried shooting a football match, one where I could get behind the goal and at the touchline. I had a 60-600mm zoom on a D850 and found that the 600mm was pretty much useless for capturing the action and most of my useful pictures were taken at about 200-300mm and then cropped in in PP. The reason the long length was no good was that it was impossible to follow the action as if the ball or the footballers moved too quickly, any good shot was lost because I couldn't keep up. Using a shorter length and cropping in after the event was a much better method and with your Z8 you have plenty of scope for cropping and still getting sharp images.
It all depends on what you're aiming for, and your own levels of skill. I found exactly the same as you - the longer length meant I couldn't follow the ball / players fast enough (aside from the ISO having to be high as well). I reverted to an 80-200 and that did enough for me.

I think that demonstrates the point perfectly. Get Marty McFly to drop off a modern mirrorless camera with insane autofocus and zooms that are nearly as good as primes combined with rapid burst rates and we'd see what would happen.
We probably wouldn't have been awarded the third goal....!
 
Hi Guys.
Well I'm gonna drop an Atom Bomb & I really do hope it starts a s*** show!
I have been a photographer for over 40 years!
I've been through the "deving films under a cover in the bath" to meet deadlines! yawwwn!!
"Shooting" an image of a warm up, after asking a player to remove the track suit top so it looked like it was a playing shirt just in case, because, I had only 20 mins to shoot at a game then to get back, (4 mls) to dev & print images to roller wire down to London.
Onto Didgi, oh, forgot to say, I've now had to invest in new cameras at £7,000 + per camera!! + lap top? +mobile?, (didn't work half the time) to compete.

Things where ticking on nicely, I upgraded to Nikon D2h's, images where getting used all's tickety-boo until a new camera's introduced..... Nikon D3, ok all the staffers got them free but I carried on with my D2hs, I was covering a Yorkshire sport paper for Sheff Weds, Hudd's Town etc. Suddenly I found I was being told my images where " just a little bit hot on night games".
Invested in D3's & by then D3s's!, another kidney investment.
That Yorkshire Post paper folded & so I embarked on a line of Freelance sports agencies which was brilliant, (cos I was good, lol), however again Tech moves on & again I had to upgrade to newer models of cameras to compete.
To cut a long story short I cannot & will not continue to play catch up with modern gear, hence my retirement! its not because I'm a worse photographer, it's because any Tom, Dick ,or Harry can now with the funds capture publishable pictures with the modern gear & do so sometimes for nothing but cudos.

I realise that times have changed & that is why I've dropped out of the race but to poo poo someone that respects the essence of what sports photography was all about, ( ie capturing the moment) is totally disrespectful!
If anyone doesn't believe me I'll lay down a challenge! I'll take on any "modern" sports snapper to cover a game with me on 35mm film camera, 1 film, (35 frames) on a manual camera & lens, (135mm) for charity loser pays £100! Regards Graham.
I would love to take you up on that! Not to prove a point, but to learn from watching you prove your point. Please believe me, I've little doubt that you would do so. Also, please believe me that I'd learn from you. I'd match your setup. 135mm is a real sweet spot for me, and I keep a Takumar with adaptor as part of my digital kit.

I was a passionate cricketer for decades, and now that passion finds expression in my photography. I'll pass on my experiences so far as a keen amateur with reasonable and modern gear (A Fujifilm XT-5 with Fujinon as well as vintage glass)

Firstly, the only cricket photography I've had a chance to play with was at a test match in Lord's this summer. To anyone who is interested, here is what I found:

Firstly, anything above 200mm of glass is considered "professional" by the ground authorities and is not allowed without advance permission. Check your ticket before leaving home.
Secondly, a test match ticket means you don't have much range during play. The ground staff like to keep people in their seats in their allotted section of the grandstands.
Thirdly, be aware of the ambient light. Floodlights were in use during the day, and I probably should have kept a closer eye on white balance. I was in an upper stand and quite close to one.
Fourthly, the ground staff don't realise that an APS-C with a 200mm lens is actually 300mm equivalent. Yay!
Fifthly, yes, you can crop if you have 40Mp or higher. You probably can with 20 too, but being new to digital I've never tried.

But now to the reason I searched for experienced views on this topic. I was just dipping my toes this summer. I plan to travel from here in France and to possibly catch a few county matches next season. In the main, because I'm hoping for more freedom to roam, and (with advance notice), to be allowed to take in some longer glass and multiple bodies without being cornered and asked for credentials. But - and here's the rub: the other thing I want to do is to be a bit more expansive, and possibly to bring my SINAR along for some large format work.

However... I have my doubts as to the viability of that approach. My concerns are that if, for example, I am to try to broaden my reach and take a nice elevated shot using my tilts to maybe select for foreground and background fine focus, will the mid-ground lose focus? The cricketers will provide natural focal points, but I worry that the type of focal plane I'll be laying down might omit some swathes of the area between the foreground and the background. It is something which is easy to cater for in broader landscapes, but perhaps that approach won't work for the different sweep of a cricket sward.

Has anyone tried large format in the context of cricket? Obviously, I'm not speaking of action shots, but of establishing shots/wider angle/vibes stuff.
 
Off to Lords next week for the Eng v Windies test match.

Looking at the regulations, I can only bring in a lens up to 200mm.
Can I get away with sticking in a x2 teleconverter in my picnic bag to go on my z70-200?

I've emailed the media department in the hope I can get a media pass but I think there's more chance of Liz Hurley coming round for tea tonight than somehow jumping the system to get a pass but at least I've tried :)
Did Liz behave herself at tea? ;)

I had to do some persuasion at the gate to get my kit in, despite being at 200mm. (I never mentioned the effective length obtained by using APS-C). Well, they never specifically asked. I found that the 300mm was fine, but Lord's is relatively tight as grounds go.

I guess that what would have had me in trouble - and I forgot this in my post immediately prior to this - is that without image stabilisation I would have had great difficulty. The ground conditions stipulated that no tripods or even monopods are allowed. I have 7 or more stops of IBIS/OIS on my gear, but when I disabled these as a test I really floundered a bit, resorting to a bump in the ISO and consequent dip in image quality. The image stabilisation was a necessity.
 
Hi NiallerM,
Thank you for your reply, (at last), I'd be happy to accept your reply but TBH, I honestly aimed it at the Digi pros on here that tbh don't really know the "art" of photography!

Ok, they know how to capture "Digi" images for sport & what sells, but, does anyone bother to read a game / match anymore?

The cream do of course ie some staff Getty, (not all as almost freebie interns) ,etc, But I'm also talking about the guys who turn up & spray & pray ,who, with the new Mirrorless cameras with eye detection etc can't miss a sharp frame?

If you don't have to scroll through 6 frames let alone 20 frames pet goal/ Cele, to me it's just a money game, your not really interested in the art of photography, just using s tool ie camera for a means to an end? which, is fine if your a glory seeker for your own images in life? But to me Photography is about creating an image that makes someone think wow how did he get that, (without AI etc).

I hope you have a great photographic life Nialler and maybe in the future I'll see your cricket pics, but tbh I know longer believe in true photographic images!
 
Hi NiallerM,
Thank you for your reply, (at last), I'd be happy to accept your reply but TBH, I honestly aimed it at the Digi pros on here that tbh don't really know the "art" of photography!

Ok, they know how to capture "Digi" images for sport & what sells, but, does anyone bother to read a game / match anymore?

The cream do of course ie some staff Getty, (not all as almost freebie interns) ,etc, But I'm also talking about the guys who turn up & spray & pray ,who, with the new Mirrorless cameras with eye detection etc can't miss a sharp frame?

If you don't have to scroll through 6 frames let alone 20 frames pet goal/ Cele, to me it's just a money game, your not really interested in the art of photography, just using s tool ie camera for a means to an end? which, is fine if your a glory seeker for your own images in life? But to me Photography is about creating an image that makes someone think wow how did he get that, (without AI etc).

I hope you have a great photographic life Nialler and maybe in the future I'll see your cricket pics, but tbh I know longer believe in true photographic images!
I have a few books by the cricket snapper Patrick Eagar. Not to downplay him, but he basically swamped the grounds where he worked, with cameras in fixed positions triggered (at one stage) by a central control. I think that his MO was to just blanket cover the match with specific events being timestamped meaning that only limited developing/proofing was needed. There was the 1976 test where, Michael Holding took 14 wickets, something like ten of them bowled. The Times printed all ten bowleds - all almost identical in composition. A reader commented on the anticipation and awareness needed for such a feat, but Eagar's reply was that he had the same wickets from 8 different angles. At that stage you're recording.

He did work around the boundary and on the balcony, though, and some of his non-action shots are very good. *

I have older photos of "Long Toms" draped along the roof of stands. I really need to know more about those. They appeared to be very long, bellowed field cameras, but the length of the bellows was staggering, and runs counter to my experience with my monorail.

* This leads to a philosophical kind of question. I have in mind one photograph of his taken in 1981. It is taken from point, and features Geoff Boycott playing forward defensively(!) to Ray Bright. It is masterclass of batting technique and shape. Absolute perfect defence and concentration. Balance, skill, The photograph itself is perfectly composed, exposed etc. My question is whether the photographer - no matter the relative inanities of their technical skills - is, even in that passive role, part of the moment of creativity.
 
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I covered a local club for a couple of years a while before Covid. I had a Sigma 150-600, brilliant lens but heavy so used a monopod as a compromise between flexibility and steadiness. How much of the 600 I needed really depended on the angle of shot I wanted and the relation to which part of the square the wicket was on at that time. Even where I was struggling cropping got me through and, in any case, I prefer shots that aren't too close up. I like the moment to breathe. Poor light more of an enemy than focal length to be honest unless you are in the market of long fast lenses.

I used to try and capture the feel of the game and the characters in it as well as the action shots, and was pleasantly surprised to find the players loved shots of fist bumps, wicket celebrations , running between the wickets etc. Fielding the hardest to get good action shots of and not just because those moments are hard to track. If there's a good keeper playing it's well worth tracking them for a period of time, especially if they are standing up to the stumps.

For anyone interested in the broader subject, Philip Brown's The Colours of Cricket is a superb book.
 
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I went for the Nikon Z 180-600 in the end. Shot with a Z8.

Only managed to get out to watch one game right at the end of last season when my wife gave me a pass on a Sunday for a couple of hours.

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I went for the Nikon Z 180-600 in the end. Shot with a Z8.

Only managed to get out to watch one game right at the end of last season when my wife gave me a pass on a Sunday for a couple of hours.

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Nice images.

I tried cricket photography a couple of times, with Pana G9 and 100-400mm (800mm FF equiv) I tried to get good shots of the bowlers but not easy when you are trying to stand with the light at your back and people keep walking in front. I managed a few that I really liked though. I really enjoyed the whole process.
 
So what about rugby then? It's football as well.
Well being pedantic yes, as its full name is either Rugby Union Football or Rugby League Football.
The governing bodies are the Rugby Football League and the Rugby Football Union.
Just saying rugby is wrong as there are distinctly different rules in each code.
Lets not get started on Australian rules football.
:ROFLMAO:
 
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Lets not get started on Australian rules football.
:ROFLMAO:
Or Gaelic Football. Or International Rules Football, which is a mix of Aussie Rules and Gaelic and played between the two countries. Fun fcat, they had to stop it for a few years as it just ended up in fights :-D
 
Apologies going back to the OP, I shoot cricket for my local club and would go with 400mm lens, I have one of the Canon DO 400mm which I know splits opinion to put it lightly. I can't post links up yet but also have some from the Local professional photographer and he uses two. One with 500mm and another for tracking in the field and presentations, things like that.
I'm looking to make the jump to Electronic as my 6d Mark II has a relatively flow FPS compared to what is now about. Interested what people think.
 
If anyone doesn't believe me I'll lay down a challenge! I'll take on any "modern" sports snapper to cover a game with me on 35mm film camera, 1 film, (35 frames) on a manual camera & lens, (135mm) for charity loser pays £100! Regards Graham.

Easily said isn't it.... but really its quite a tunnel vision perspective and a very rose tinted specs perspective.

I recently (well May last year) took my Canon EOS20D out to Donington with my old lenses.... A 20 year old SLR (Apologies for not being old enough to have anything more vintage...) and I was more than happy with the results I could get with it. All the standard stuff was as good and as well framed and as sharp as with my R5... The one place it struggled was against the modern IS at slower shutter speeds under 1/60 but thats to be expected -> and it brings me to the main point - > Technology changes.

If I gave me 20D to a 25 year old whose first camera was circa 2020... I can't expect them to be able to use the 20D to the level I could - Why should they be able to? Just like I wouldn't be able to get as much as you from the 35mm stuff.... and I wouldnt expect too... its your bag, its your era and its your experience not mine.

Life moves on, technology moves on and allows us to do new and different things (the slow shutter point) and just because someone is younger and uses different, newer equipment does not make what they produce and the way they produce it any less relevent than the way you did it.
 
... and just because someone is younger and uses different, newer equipment does not make what they produce and the way they produce it any less relevent than the way you did it.
... to put it another way: all that really matters is whether the image achieves the intended result.

The how and even the why is generally irrelevant.
 
... to put it another way: all that really matters is whether the image achieves the intended result.

The how and even the why is generally irrelevant.
That’s true but my point was more around ‘you can’t just say I bet I’ll beat you at my own game’ as that post implied because the playing field is not level and the skills are different.
 
That’s true but my point was more around ‘you can’t just say I bet I’ll beat you at my own game’ as that post implied because the playing field is not level and the skills are different.
If you read the original replies to the OP's post they where implying that the pictures produced by " Old gear" was rubbish & not worth a jot! I beg to differ!
Producing a nice image via this medium doesn't make it crap and not as good as you could get with the equipment available today.

I dare you to imply that modern camera technology cannot get a nationally printed sports image from anyone who can use a camera given enough clicks?
&, I suppose eventually via film/manual focus but, you'll have spent more than the price of a camera before if you don't know s*** about photography!!

As you rightly say it's not a level playing field & as such no "modern" camera users should debunk the older mediums IMHO
 
Hi All. One question you may be able to help with. Focal lengths for cricket. I currently shoot a Nikon Z8. Longest lens I've got is the z mount 70-200 f2.8.
I've been looking at longer lenses to enable me to shoot football and cricket, primarily cricket. Budget-wise I'm looking at either the Tamron 150-500 z mount f6.7 or the Nikon 180-600 f6.3.

Now, focal length. Is 500mm long enough. Or should I go longer? I'm not overly bothered about the compact size of the Tamron.
Is there a huge difference between the separation of the background at f6.3 or f6.7. I realise its not going to be in realms of a f2.8 or f4 but I can't drop f2.8 or f4 money on a lens otherwise my wife will be sticking the lens where the sun doesn't shine but I can justify spending somewhere in the region of £1-2k max.

Thanks for any words of wisdom you can share!
You can pick up Canon 500mm f4 for less than 2k
 
I use a 500 f4, it's quite old but produces excellent results. Many of my Kent league images are used in the local weekly newspaper
 
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