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Why do garages ALWAYS supply youw ith a courtesy car (oh yeh, how wonderful of them!) with SOD ALL petrol in!!

Just took my fiesta into Ford in Washington and after the hassle of insurance i got the car.

Which at first indicated 20miles left. then about 10.

by the time i managed to get to a petrol station, it was on 0.

put a fiver in... still on 0!! :thinking:

must have been on fumes!


Going to make sure they get it back without enough petrol to get them to a petrol station ;)
 
Probably because they know they'll get it back with more in it than they the customer.
I experienced the same thing recently.
 
about 5 years ago I had my car in a body shop for some repairs and they provided a courtesy car with a full tank of fuel, and insisted that you returned it with a full tank.

Last year I hired a van from Europcar and they used the same policy.
 
about 5 years ago I had my car in a body shop for some repairs and they provided a courtesy car with a full tank of fuel, and insisted that you returned it with a full tank.

Last year I hired a van from Europcar and they used the same policy.

yeh, thats what I would expect them to do. :shake:

woman never mentioned I had to return it with any in, so I will make sure I don't.
 
We've had a few courtesy cars from Enterprise over the past few weeks, as Tesco have been painfully slow with our claim. All the cars had over 1/2 a tank, normally they have a full tank.

Oh - and a little heads up, Enterprise have this scheme with insurance companies - where if your story doesn't tally, they will report it.

This didn't happen to us but we use Enterprise regularly for cars - and we were in there hiring a car, when we overheard this woman talking to an employee about what happened to her car. Her story was the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. We were then talking to one of the reps about it when he told us about that scheme. Needless to say, I'd be surprised if she got her payout :p

James
 
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I have had plenty of hire cars from work, and courtesy car's when having work done, all have been brimmed, and where expected back the same, and if they werent you where charged the extra at inflatted pump prices to top up.
 
I'd just topped the last courtesy car up with fuel when the garage phoned to say mine was ready - cue a long drive in the counrty before it went back :lol:
 
Mine came with 100miles in the tank and went back with 78 but wish I had used it all as my car came back on fumes and even a steady drive to Asda it was only managing 20.8 to the gallon all of the 5 mile..........good job Eileen is fit and I am the only driver
 
i have an enterprise car at the moment and it had half a tank in it
you pay a 50-00 fuel deposit incase you do take it back empty
watch enterprise as they like to charge you for stone chips
they tried to have me over before but i have told them this time i am wise to your scam
 
i have an enterprise car at the moment and it had half a tank in it
you pay a 50-00 fuel deposit incase you do take it back empty
watch enterprise as they like to charge you for stone chips
they tried to have me over before but i have told them this time i am wise to your scam

:agree:

When I picked up the last Enterprise car it was dark and the car was filthy. The rep wanted me to just sign the form saying the car was unmarked, "It's only 3 months old" he said, maybe so but it had numerous stonechips, scratches and a large dent on the bonnet, most of which wasn't noticeable until I had insisted the car was washed.

Now I take a camera with me when I pick up a car, take photos of any damage present and then show the images to the hirer, before leaving the premises.
 
A view from the other side. we provide courtesy cars and have tried various ways we used to fill them up and ask that they are returned full, but had a lot of problems with that as people said "Ive only been 10 miles" which they had, so I havent put any in and the next person had it did 5 miles and the gauge had dropped but they didn't want to put any in and so on it went. It is a bone of contention and a problem i have to deal with daily another argument is what is full ? We dont charge for the cars though and insure them FOC so leave them as the last person left them, apart from cleaning them (you wouldn't believe the state some of them come back)
 
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When I picked up the last Enterprise car it was dark and the car was filthy. The rep wanted me to just sign the form saying the car was unmarked, "It's only 3 months old" he said, maybe so but it had numerous stonechips, scratches and a large dent on the bonnet, most of which wasn't noticeable until I had insisted the car was washed.

Now I take a camera with me when I pick up a car, take photos of any damage present and then show the images to the hirer, before leaving the premises.

i have a 59 plate vauxhall ashtray it has a curbed alloy two door dents and scrapes on the front and rear bumpers
all of those marks were pointed out by my wife and not by the guy who had just washed it
 
unfortunately i returned it with a fair amount of petrol in it.

put in a fiver, and the gauge still read 0 miles left. put more in and it then decided it was 120 miles! arse :(

Didnt even check for damage, and neither did they when i took it back

they also neglected to inform me my car was ready to collect! useless *insert expletive here*


Just remembered, last time my Mum got a courtesy car from Merc, they must have been having a competition with who could be the most inconvenient at work that day!

In return for her SL350, she was given a smart car!
 
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We run a fleet of 10 courtesy cars at my Dealership we've tried all sorts of different things but it's easier for them to go out as they come in bar being washed as said earlier...

Most modern cars will have approx 50 miles left in them once the 0miles has changed to ----, we've never had one run out yet.

It's a difficult one to get right but if we very rarely get any complaints from customers and it is usually the same type of customers that complain, not that we steroetype at all :)
 
The place I take my car for service (an independent Porsche specialist garage as I wont use the local main dealer) has a loan car which I use. I always give it back with more petrol than it had when I got it, since they make no charge to me for using the car so I feel it is simply common courtesy not to use up their petrol as well.

I was talking to the proprietor about it the other day and he said the number of people that think they are being clever by not replacing what they use is high. I find this rather depressing, shows what pikeys some of the British public are.

The reason the cars are low on fuel is that it makes them bad targets for casual theft - a suprising of car theft is not to resell but people wanting to go somewhere and not wanting to take public transport, so they steal a car, drive it and abandon it. If the car will only do five miles before needing petrol they will leave it and steal a different one.
 
......and this is why you should avoid buying ex-hire/courtesy cars

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I wonder how that wee nob would have felt if the garage had done that to his car?

The reason the cars are low on fuel is that it makes them bad targets for casual theft - a suprising of car theft is not to resell but people wanting to go somewhere and not wanting to take public transport, so they steal a car, drive it and abandon it. If the car will only do five miles before needing petrol they will leave it and steal a different one.


:thinking:

How do thieves know how much petrol is in a car before they steal it? :naughty:
 
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I worked in the motor trade for many years until about 10 years ago and we also tried everything to make this a fair process. Despite providing brand new cars, without charge and fully insured, some people really begrudged putting in fuel. We had situations where people said they put in more than they used and wanted to have the price taken off their bill, others who wanted it drained into a can to take away with them and others who would purposefully book their car in on a day when they wanted to visit the coast or relatives and bring the car back having done several hundred miles!

Having said this, the majority of perople were fair minded and put a few pounds worth in as they appreciated having the car made available.

Now't as queer as folk though!
 
How do thieves know how much petrol is in a car before they steal it? :naughty:

My experience is that all elements of the motor trade do much the same thing, whether cars for sale on the forecourt or for loan during servicing. I asked and that is what I was told.
 
Ex-Fleet, Ex Hire and Ex Motability can be an extremely good and useful way of buying cars, it's usually pretty easy to spot (by the dealer) which cars have been ragged and abused and get passed to auction.

We have customers who want to buy nearly new cars with no more than 5-6k on the clock but refuse to buy ex hire/fleet cars, not being funny but if a private individual bought a car and traded it in within 6 months and only 5-6k on the clock I would be a lot more concerned as to why? We have a number of deals where we wil sell a fleet/hire company with a set number of cars where we'll put a set calue on for 6 months on the understanding that it comes back in a certain condition etc...

As long as it is bought from a reputable main dealer you should have no problems whatsoever, that and the manufacturers warranty should keep you on the straight and narrow. Please also remember if a car was bought ex fleet/hire and needed remedial work if it was due to negligence/abuse it wouldn't be covered under warranty and again be passed to auction...
 
the last couple of hires ive had have been topped up with fuel, you simply then fill again before returning. no argument on the amount used then is there.
 
oh yeh, if it was supplied with fuel, I would have no problems returning it with similar amount. Common courtesy.

Just wasn't happy with them anyway because I had been messed about a bit with insurance.

mumble grumble....
 
Sorry chaps, but whilst its easy to say 'oh why hasnt it got more fuel in it', as already mentioned by those actually dealing with it, every which way you do it is wrong apparently. Easy, send it out with very little, it gets returned with very little, send it out with a tank full and it comes back with 'I only did a few miles and I am not paying THAT much to replace it' etc etc...:bonk:

Ours [very tiny fleet] go out with enough to get you to a station and get returned the same way, simples ;)



edit: Oh and graham, it is true, is it not, that the best handling cars are hire cars.... :geek: ;)
 
Ours [very tiny fleet] go out with enough to get you to a station and get returned the same way, simples ;)


So I see.....:lol:

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......and this is why you should avoid buying ex-hire/courtesy cars

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I wonder how that wee nob would have felt if the garage had done that to his car?

I believe some hire companies put governers on their vehicles so it can't be revved like that. Quite a good idea tbh, most cars would sit all day on 4,000 RPM quite happily, saves people trashing them.
 
:lol::lol: That's the other trouble with our courtesy cars - they never get them back to us fast enough for the next person who's booked one :shake:
 
I used to work at Enterprise, so can make a few comments on the above.

Starting with fuel, well if you have 100 cars, with an average of a 50 litre fuel tank, then that works out at 5,000 litres of fuel. That works out at £5,500 sat in fuel tanks that you can's use elsewhere. Enterprise have over 10,000 hire cars in the uk, so that would be half a million pounds in fuel, sat in cars that someone else is using. And if they come back full when they are to be sold, that would be £500,000 given away.

THerefor they work on a 1/4 tank policy - each car should have a 1/4 tank minimum.
Some corporate customers require a full tank, which is why you will get them with more. Enterprise don;t like doing this, as it costs them money, but are kind of forced into it.

With the damage side, every member of staff is completely different with their attitude to damage and what they mark. Always make sure you check the car and that it is clean. Also make sure that you know they are happy with it when you take it back. I have had people walk round cars with video cameras beforre, naturally people are sceptical about it.
On the whole, you should be ok, but every now and again you will get a car which has damage which is not logged onto the computer system. This is where a problem s caused, because it can't be attributed to a renter and so the repair cost is given to the branch where the car is. And that means someone higher up the chain asking questions, which is not good.

You will tend to find that the people who abuse hire cars the worst are the staff. The get to know what they can do in them, drive themn for short spaces of time, and know that if they handbrake a car, do a burnout or hit a speedbump fast they will probably never drive the car again.

You do get people who really abuse the rental cars, and that is to be expected, but most people would treat them well. Because we would provde courtesy cars through insurance companies, you would rent brand new cars to people who (like me) could/would never own a brand new car. I used to love seeing the looks on peoples faces because they really felt proud that they had this car, even if it was only for a week. And they would make sure the car came back spotless.

The worst renter was the one who figured that the car was crapper than their own, and it wasn't theirs so treated it like crap.

With regards to the comments above on feeding info back to the insurance companies, it was swings and roundabouts. On one hand it is of no importance to us what the customer has told the insurance company, and if a customer told me a tale about what happened, I had no evidence to say what they had told me was true. But we would look at getter customers a bigger car if they had a non fault accident (££££KErching). So that info would sometimes be passed.

More commonly we would come across driving license discrpancies. We wouldn't check if it was just 3 or 6 points, but depending what the offence was we had to check the insurance company knew about it so our car was insured. these would be things like dangerous or drink driving. Also the number of people who have been banned, but not reapplied for their license was scary. When one guy wo had not reapplied got told he would not get a car, he threatened to ring his insurance co and complain. I handed him the phone and said that he was more than welcome, but then his own car wouldn't be fixed, as they would then know he didn't have a license.

I have had older customers who had insurance claims going through but their licenses have expired. One lady needed the car to see her husband in hospital, but ha dan expired license. As you can imagine on this occasion, I advised her to re apply, not take the courtesy car and not tell her insurance. I did not tell the insurance co.

Hope yo uenjoyed this little view into the world of car rental. And yes, I did enjoy getting to know how cars really handle......
 
thankyou for that.

was nice and informative!

never thought of how much it would cost them in petrol with the number of cars they have.

I mstt admit though, i did NOT enjoy finding out how well a mk6 fiesta handled... especially not as i drive a mk7 fiesta with sports suspension and seats. :lol:
 
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