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Ok, so this is probably going to start some sort of outrage here...But i'm just curious to other peoples thoughts on iphoneography and the such.

Personally I think if the photo holds the emotion and tone the photographer is after then its great :)
 
There is a whole thread dedicated to iPhone photos. I think its pretty wide spread that phone digital cameras are getting pretty good quality. Added that 80% of photography is the user, iphonography really isn't that controversial.

I think the saying goes "any camera is good when its the only camera you have".

If you were paid for a wedding and turned up with just an iPhone - it may raise eyebrows though...

You don't hire a builder to make some shelves and expect him to pull out a b&q special drill and wilko's saw - the job will get done, and probably to a good standard, but you will feel cheated that you paid for something you could have ddone with the tools you own already... You expect dewalt/makita...
 
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Don't see a problem with it, back in the day people were happy using 110, 126, disc and APS system cameras and the quality from them was a lot worse that today's smartphones.

The only thing I object to is the term iphonography :thumbsdown: not all smartphones are iphones :|
 
Don't see a problem with it, back in the day people were happy using 110, 126, disc and APS system cameras and the quality from them was a lot worse that today's smartphones.

The only thing I object to is the term iphonography :thumbsdown: not all smartphones are iphones :|

Good point! I have HTC, so not even sure why i said iphonography haha :lol:
 
Ok, so this is probably going to start some sort of outrage here...But i'm just curious to other peoples thoughts on iphoneography and the such.

Personally I think if the photo holds the emotion and tone the photographer is after then its great :)

I think a discussion on effective use of the forum search feature would be more interesting! :lol:
 
There has been at least one competition for phonetographs.
 
It's not taking pics with a phone that's an issue for most, it's the rubbish, muck filters people tend to dollop on top of them.

I'm on my 2nd iphone, got the 5 now, had the 4 - and have an ipad - the only thing I've ever photographed with any of them is the kids ... and the cat ... I just don't find them very good for anything else. But I know a guy who uses his phone more than his dslr for photography!
 
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Totally wrong. What tends to happen here is that snobbery raises it's ugly head. It's a fact that some people are capable of taking "decent shots" irrespective of what they shoot with. For some, that is hard to swallow.

Everyone's idea of a decent shot will be different depending on there personal needs/expectations, I don't think Artymans opinion is snobbery nor intended as such, nor do I think he is 'Totally Wrong' it is after all his opinion. However to infer that his snobbery is based on the fact he couldn't take a decent shot with a phone is getting closer to 'Totally Wrong'. I guess he touched a nerve and rattled your cage but please respect his opinion. That's fundamentally what a forum is for isnt it? expressing opinions ?
 
Everyone's idea of a decent shot will be different depending on there personal needs/expectations, I don't think Artymans opinion is snobbery nor intended as such, nor do I think he is 'Totally Wrong' it is after all his opinion. However to infer that his snobbery is based on the fact he couldn't take a decent shot with a phone is getting closer to 'Totally Wrong'. I guess he touched a nerve and rattled your cage but please respect his opinion. That's fundamentally what a forum is for isnt it? expressing opinions ?

I was expressing an opinion. That's fundamentally what a forum is for isn't it?
 
Its not expressing an opinion but how you express an opinion that matters (in my opinion of course :naughty:) and that can be done without being antagonistic and condescending.
 
How is expressing an opinion, snobbery? :shrug:

I am talking about what I have seen on other threads about mobile phone photography. Some have and do have a snobbish attitude to something they do not perceive to be a "real" camera.
 
I am talking about what I have seen on other threads about mobile phone photography. Some have and do have a snobbish attitude to something they do not perceive to be a "real" camera.

This is why i started this thread :) So i could gauge if there was such snobbery lurking around here, but to be honest its nice to see there is no real snobbery at all!
 
Not snobbery at all I agree on the composition and subject front an image is an image, which even if poor technically can be a great shot, however all things being equal the DSLR is always going to produce a better result. The camera on my phone has terrible lag so makes getting the moment nigh on impossible, so it's always pot luck.
 
O/H is a fone-freak. Personally I don't get it. Mine makes phone calls. Occassionally. Texts only a little more often. That's it. My son insisted I had games on it last week! It does too! He found them! Only had it three years.

O/H? Has an iPhone. Apparently all these features and capabilities and Aps... APS FFS?!?! (Some-one posted vaunting a 'posing' AP?! Oh How did we live without them?! :thinking: ) Anyhow; she tried justifying this pocket wizard to me because of all the essential life style 'stuff' it does; Its a phone, its a camera; its a GPS, its the internet; its, its.... it tells her how many calories she has used walking to the shop for a top up! It told her there was a shop round the corner that had a cash-point she could use.... So I drove her exactly where it told us. No shop. No Cash point. Two hundred yards away, round the corner, on a completely different street... was 'the shop', and it did have a cash-point.... that didn't take her card. Yup; Wonderful technology! So essential to modern living. Could hapily not find a shop or cash-point quite happily on my own, without a phone's assistance, thank-you very much!

BUT.... its an electronic swiss-army pen-knife. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Cameras on them are no different. Like the blades on a swiss army knife; you COULD use one to chop onions and open a can of tomatoes to make a bolognese sauce.... BUT.... you'd probably do a better job with Chefs knife and a butterfly tin-opener, and be a lot less like likely to cut yourself.

But what does amaze me, is how we have been conned that these things are so 'necessary', so essential, how we cant live without them!

Yeah... I can understand my 14 year old daughter, suffering severe anxiety when her Blackberry was nicked... like suddenly cut off from all her school mates, and the instant gossip updates.... that's kids!

But, here, on the fringes of Jeramy Kyle Culture; it effects propper grown ups! (well, that might be stretching things... lets try 'adults'!) We have families round here, who spend more a week on mobile-phone top ups, than they do on RENT FFS! To whom, having the latest, most gadget packed pocket wonder, so they can get instant updates on thier mates Face-book status, telling them some-one has just exhausted last nights curry.... and posted pictures of the result..... or that a five month old has just eaten an ash-tray... or that some-one has just been to the supermarket and that bacon is great..... is actually more important than... well, take your pick; having food in the fridge; paying the gas bill; buying their kid new school shoes; whatever!

Sorry... I don't think that 'smart' phones are either particularly 'smart' nor a make a particularly great contribution to modern living! Makes every-one look like 'Scream' extras too. I mean, hoodie over the face and a screen illuminating the face from beneath! Round here, its like I have stepped into a Simon Pegg Zombie movie!
 
Eloquently put Mike and with a decent dollop of humour for good measure. Perfect forum fodder. :thumbs:
 
The only thing I object to is the term iphonography :thumbsdown: not all smartphones are iphones :|

Nobody ever says, "SLRography", or "TLRography", it's photography regardless of what camera you use. Stupid nonsensical invented words. The fact that they keep the 'o' from 'photo' makes it even worse. /PedantRant ;)
 
In fairness Mike, I think it is important that people know bacon is great!
 
If nothing else, having a half reasonable camera built into a mobile 'phone does mean that we (well, those of us who carry them all the time) always have a camera of some sort with us. While mine doesn't replace a "proper" camera, it does go to places that the full SLR kit doesn't and is a hell of a lot easier to carry! I'm trying to get into the habit of carrying my little XF-1 everywhere but it sits in the same pocket as my mobile and the mobile's simply more useful overall than a one trick pony camera!
 
O/H is a fone-freak. Personally I don't get it. Mine makes phone calls. Occassionally. Texts only a little more often. That's it. My son insisted I had games on it last week! It does too! He found them! Only had it three years.

O/H? Has an iPhone. Apparently all these features and capabilities and Aps... APS FFS?!?! (Some-one posted vaunting a 'posing' AP?! Oh How did we live without them?! :thinking: ) Anyhow; she tried justifying this pocket wizard to me because of all the essential life style 'stuff' it does; Its a phone, its a camera; its a GPS, its the internet; its, its.... it tells her how many calories she has used walking to the shop for a top up! It told her there was a shop round the corner that had a cash-point she could use.... So I drove her exactly where it told us. No shop. No Cash point. Two hundred yards away, round the corner, on a completely different street... was 'the shop', and it did have a cash-point.... that didn't take her card. Yup; Wonderful technology! So essential to modern living. Could hapily not find a shop or cash-point quite happily on my own, without a phone's assistance, thank-you very much!

BUT.... its an electronic swiss-army pen-knife. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Cameras on them are no different. Like the blades on a swiss army knife; you COULD use one to chop onions and open a can of tomatoes to make a bolognese sauce.... BUT.... you'd probably do a better job with Chefs knife and a butterfly tin-opener, and be a lot less like likely to cut yourself.

But what does amaze me, is how we have been conned that these things are so 'necessary', so essential, how we cant live without them!

Yeah... I can understand my 14 year old daughter, suffering severe anxiety when her Blackberry was nicked... like suddenly cut off from all her school mates, and the instant gossip updates.... that's kids!

But, here, on the fringes of Jeramy Kyle Culture; it effects propper grown ups! (well, that might be stretching things... lets try 'adults'!) We have families round here, who spend more a week on mobile-phone top ups, than they do on RENT FFS! To whom, having the latest, most gadget packed pocket wonder, so they can get instant updates on thier mates Face-book status, telling them some-one has just exhausted last nights curry.... and posted pictures of the result..... or that a five month old has just eaten an ash-tray... or that some-one has just been to the supermarket and that bacon is great..... is actually more important than... well, take your pick; having food in the fridge; paying the gas bill; buying their kid new school shoes; whatever!

Sorry... I don't think that 'smart' phones are either particularly 'smart' nor a make a particularly great contribution to modern living! Makes every-one look like 'Scream' extras too. I mean, hoodie over the face and a screen illuminating the face from beneath! Round here, its like I have stepped into a Simon Pegg Zombie movie!

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Absolutely spot on.
 
Eloquently put Mike and with a decent dollop of humour for good measure. Perfect forum fodder. :thumbs:

+1
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Absolutely spot on.

Am I the only one that thinks otherwise?

I agree with the priorities part, but the rest of the post is examples of mike (an intelligent being) going out of his way to prove technology (a block of silicon, metal & glass made in malaysia) knew his local area less than he does. Congratulations.
 
While I don't think this is controversial, I think it's just pointless, and a bit crap.

Just carry a decent small compact.
 
O/H is a fone-freak. Personally I don't get it. Mine makes phone calls. Occassionally. Texts only a little more often. That's it. My son insisted I had games on it last week! It does too! He found them! Only had it three years.

O/H? Has an iPhone. Apparently all these features and capabilities and Aps... APS FFS?!?! (Some-one posted vaunting a 'posing' AP?! Oh How did we live without them?! :thinking: ) Anyhow; she tried justifying this pocket wizard to me because of all the essential life style 'stuff' it does; Its a phone, its a camera; its a GPS, its the internet; its, its.... it tells her how many calories she has used walking to the shop for a top up! It told her there was a shop round the corner that had a cash-point she could use.... So I drove her exactly where it told us. No shop. No Cash point. Two hundred yards away, round the corner, on a completely different street... was 'the shop', and it did have a cash-point.... that didn't take her card. Yup; Wonderful technology! So essential to modern living. Could hapily not find a shop or cash-point quite happily on my own, without a phone's assistance, thank-you very much!

BUT.... its an electronic swiss-army pen-knife. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Cameras on them are no different. Like the blades on a swiss army knife; you COULD use one to chop onions and open a can of tomatoes to make a bolognese sauce.... BUT.... you'd probably do a better job with Chefs knife and a butterfly tin-opener, and be a lot less like likely to cut yourself.

But what does amaze me, is how we have been conned that these things are so 'necessary', so essential, how we cant live without them!

Yeah... I can understand my 14 year old daughter, suffering severe anxiety when her Blackberry was nicked... like suddenly cut off from all her school mates, and the instant gossip updates.... that's kids!

But, here, on the fringes of Jeramy Kyle Culture; it effects propper grown ups! (well, that might be stretching things... lets try 'adults'!) We have families round here, who spend more a week on mobile-phone top ups, than they do on RENT FFS! To whom, having the latest, most gadget packed pocket wonder, so they can get instant updates on thier mates Face-book status, telling them some-one has just exhausted last nights curry.... and posted pictures of the result..... or that a five month old has just eaten an ash-tray... or that some-one has just been to the supermarket and that bacon is great..... is actually more important than... well, take your pick; having food in the fridge; paying the gas bill; buying their kid new school shoes; whatever!

Sorry... I don't think that 'smart' phones are either particularly 'smart' nor a make a particularly great contribution to modern living! Makes every-one look like 'Scream' extras too. I mean, hoodie over the face and a screen illuminating the face from beneath! Round here, its like I have stepped into a Simon Pegg Zombie movie!

Excellent :lol:
 
We all coped for nigh on a hundred years without mobiles, why is instant connection to everyone on the planet so all fired important. I think I've spent £20 on top ups in the last three years and still have about £15 of it left.
 
We all coped for nigh on a hundred years without [insert item of technology here], why is [insert items that said technology does here] so all fired important. I think I've [insert personal reason for dismissal of said technology here]

why the technology phobia? :shrug:

these arguments really get my goat:bang::bonk: and are pretty much useless as an argument.

Reason why argument invalid below:

We all coped for nigh on a hundred years without the motor car, why is the need to get places quickly so all fired important. I think I've spent 3 shillings on fuel in the last 2 years

(Im in an antagonistic mood today... )
 
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We all coped for nigh on a hundred years without mobiles, why is instant connection to everyone on the planet so all fired important. I think I've spent £20 on top ups in the last three years and still have about £15 of it left.


others like to be in contact with their family being able to send pics of their children to one and other.

You seem to be fine using the internet :wave:
 
We all coped for nigh on a hundred years without mobiles, why is instant connection to everyone on the planet so all fired important. I think I've spent £20 on top ups in the last three years and still have about £15 of it left.

I know, but how ;)

The other day when we had a smattering of snow, my builder texted me and asked me to send him a picture of the snow so he could decide if it was worth coming out or not....


snow by R0b L, on Flickr

He decided on the evidence of this it wasn't :(
 
Evidence of what? Lol, thats where the tech let you down, i had to look hard to see the snow, he clearly just couldnt be a***d. :bang:
I can hear him sucking the air past his teeth and shaking his head saying "Well i could come out but it'll cost more obviously". :gag:
 
why the technology phobia? :shrug:

Technology is the application of Scientific principle and Engineering practice to (and this is the important bit) SOLVE A PROBLEM.
It is an achievement of human inteligence that is supposed to make our lives easier.

I was an engineer. I worked in Technology. I was a bludy rocket scientist for-crist-sake! You cant allegorically be more at the cutting edge of technology than there! And we were, solving real problems trying to get rockets to go where they were pointed. But the pay was crap... so I went to work in telecoms... where with five times the resources, ten times as many geeks sat around having 'ideas' to wow the marketing men..... who then tried to find a way to sell them, and convince people that there had to be a real and important problem this 'technology' solved.

Yes. So you can put an arcade game into my mobile telephone. What problem does that solve? Do I REALLY need 'Snake' and 'Tetris'? Do these pieces of entertainment really solve a problem? Do they enritch my life one jot? NO... but IF you have a bored child, it may amuse them, and you don't HAVE to play them..... Yes, your right, and No, I don't... BUT... HOW about doing something USEFUL like making the buttons big enough that I can actually enter a frigging telephone number without a ball-point pen and a magnifying glass! "Oh, you don't have to press the buttons! Just use the menu, and dial from list!"... hmm.. where does the 'list' come from?

This is Mobile-Phone Culture. Push Technology for its own sake. Creating and selling gadgets and gizmos, often making more problems along the way in order to justify yet more gadgets and gizmos, NOT actually tackling real world proper problems of worth.

The millions spent putting satalites into low-orbit so that Karen & Tracy can have a laugh about what Suzy did with the waiter last night...... is that really enritching our world? Is this the BEST use we can put technology to?

If 1/10th of the money generated and spent by the telecoms companies world-wide was put elsewhere... desert irrigation, to feed the starving 3rd world; medical research; renewable energy solutions; or just fixing the frigging roads, REAL problems... THAT would make it 'Technology'.

Mobile phones are NOT, for the most part Technology. They are Gadgetry. Solutions looking for non-problems to justify their existence.

Therfore, as its not 'Technology', resistance to it is not Techno-phobia, is it?
 
Did mummy not let you have an iPhone lol


You could apply a lot of what we use today with what you have said but I'd bet you would not go without even a 1/4 of it.

My phone did solve a problem - what to do while i sit on the toilet constipated :|


Technology is the application of Scientific principle and Engineering practice to (and this is the important bit) SOLVE A PROBLEM.
It is an achievement of human inteligence that is supposed to make our lives easier.

I was an engineer. I worked in Technology. I was a bludy rocket scientist for-crist-sake! You cant allegorically be more at the cutting edge of technology than there! And we were, solving real problems trying to get rockets to go where they were pointed. But the pay was crap... so I went to work in telecoms... where with five times the resources, ten times as many geeks sat around having 'ideas' to wow the marketing men..... who then tried to find a way to sell them, and convince people that there had to be a real and important problem this 'technology' solved.

Yes. So you can put an arcade game into my mobile telephone. What problem does that solve? Do I REALLY need 'Snake' and 'Tetris'? Do these pieces of entertainment really solve a problem? Do they enritch my life one jot? NO... but IF you have a bored child, it may amuse them, and you don't HAVE to play them..... Yes, your right, and No, I don't... BUT... HOW about doing something USEFUL like making the buttons big enough that I can actually enter a frigging telephone number without a ball-point pen and a magnifying glass! "Oh, you don't have to press the buttons! Just use the menu, and dial from list!"... hmm.. where does the 'list' come from?

This is Mobile-Phone Culture. Push Technology for its own sake. Creating and selling gadgets and gizmos, often making more problems along the way in order to justify yet more gadgets and gizmos, NOT actually tackling real world proper problems of worth.

The millions spent putting satalites into low-orbit so that Karen & Tracy can have a laugh about what Suzy did with the waiter last night...... is that really enritching our world? Is this the BEST use we can put technology to?

If 1/10th of the money generated and spent by the telecoms companies world-wide was put elsewhere... desert irrigation, to feed the starving 3rd world; medical research; renewable energy solutions; or just fixing the frigging roads, REAL problems... THAT would make it 'Technology'.

Mobile phones are NOT, for the most part Technology. They are Gadgetry. Solutions looking for non-problems to justify their existence.

Therfore, as its not 'Technology', resistance to it is not Techno-phobia, is it?
 
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