Considering jumping ship to nikon

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hey,
i am starting to think that maybe i don't want to keep the 7D due to the noise at low iso's, and this leaves me with two options, save up alot and go 1 series, but then i have the issue that i loose reach so deffinatly need a 300mm.

or what i am more inclined todo at the moment which is go for a d300
and i think that for about the same as i will get for my canon kit i can get a
d300
grip
kit lens
af-s 80-200 f/2.8
af-d 300 f/4 or tc-14 depending on price i get for stuff

and live with only having the kit lens at the wide end and no flash for a while.

but what concerns me most at the moment is that the 7D seems to be a considerable amount better at high iso's from reviews?

what are peoples views on this?

alastair
 
Who cares what reviewers think? If it's right for you then do it.

Actually...the D700 is the only camera I lust after at the mo. and if I didn't have a bag full of Canon lenses I'd have one.

"Noise at low ISO!! Can you post an example."

The OP might, but even if not there are already loads of exemples on the net and this is the main issue that puts me off the 7D.
 
I'd rather have the very best performance at lower ISO and live with some noise at higher ISO. I suppose it just depends upon your priorities. Maybe a cold hard look at what settings your shots are taken at might help together with thinking about where you want the best quality to be, lower or higher ISO.
 
Do it...you know you want it...it's calling to you...the Precioussssss...
 
Mornin' Alastair,

The most basic question would be to ask how much money you've got invested in Canon gear 'cos I reckon that'll influence your choice more than anything else.

If I hadn't got so much tied up in Canon lenses, flashes etc, I'd have probably jumped ship as well. I'm not sure if I'd have picked the D300 but the D700 did look very appealing.

You're the only one who can decide which way to jump but given that your main focus (pardon the pun) is towards LowFly etc, I doubt that something like the 5DMKII would be up to scratch although I reckon there are plenty who'll disagree with that statement! ;)

Go and find David and nick his 5DMKII for a bit and see if that's any use. :D
See ya soon,
Si
 
this is a screen grab of a 100% view in lightroom. at iso200
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Spiritflier said:
Mornin' Alastair,

The most basic question would be to ask how much money you've got invested in Canon gear 'cos I reckon that'll influence your choice more than anything else.

If I hadn't got so much tied up in Canon lenses, flashes etc, I'd have probably jumped ship as well. I'm not sure if I'd have picked the D300 but the D700 did look very appealing.

You're the only one who can decide which way to jump but given that your main focus (pardon the pun) is towards LowFly etc, I doubt that something like the 5DMKII would be up to scratch although I reckon there are plenty who'll disagree with that statement! ;)

Go and find David and nick his 5DMKII for a bit and see if that's any use. :D
See ya soon,
Si
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yea, i also shoot lots of equestrian stuff in low light, so good af is very important to me, the other issue with full frame is the loss of reach, and i can't afford long glass at the moment.
i don't have too much canon glass, just a 70-200 f/4 and a 17-40 f/4 so it wouldnt be too much of a jump glass wise i dont think.
 
At 200iso it should be better than that I'd have thought...D700 or D3s (or 2nd hand D3 - which would be my first recommendation) will definitely make a better job of rendering than that...
 
You have got to have the right too for the job! I hold no truck in sticking with one brand or the other for loyalties sake. If someone elses equipment does the job better then get it. Can you borrow some nikon off someone to see if it performs as expected?
 
alastairb said:
this is a screen grab of a 100% view in lightroom. at iso200
iso200.png
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Difficult to say with that. What's the iso, shutter speed etc?

Aren't the low noise issue just a case of people pixel peeping at 100%/
 
Byker28i said:
Difficult to say with that. What's the iso, shutter speed etc?

Aren't the low noise issue just a case of people pixel peeping at 100%/
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iso200 f/7.1 1/800 and i wouldn't say so, i cropped that image down to 11mp and printed it and the noise is visible. only noticible if you are looking for it as a photographer i think, but its still visible in an a4 print at iso200
 
Byker28i said:
Difficult to say with that. What's the iso, shutter speed etc?

Aren't the low noise issue just a case of people pixel peeping at 100%/
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No, it's not unfortunately... We all pixel peep but at ISO200, it should be a lot less noisy than that. My 7D images were looking as bad as that and ultimately, if I can see it then my standards are high enough that I wouldn't be happy passing it off to a customer... They might not realise the issues (depending on the size of the final print) but there's a bit of personal satisfaction involved here too.

Cheers,
Si
 
alastairb said:
this is a screen grab of a 100% view in lightroom. at iso200
iso200.png
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Is not a case of low contrast caused by haze and difficult light? Once you 'fix' the contrast the noise creeps in as you only have midtones. I would like to see more samples of more samples with perfect histogram.
If you do want to stay with canon then 1d mk3 and 1ds mk2 do a fabulous job. AF is always spot on and the sharpness is much better than on crop (I am not even touching 18mp as I've never used one)
 
Alastair B... you definately are not alone.

My 7D is VERY noisy at 100 and 200 ISO to the point there doesn't seem much point in shooting at that sort of ISO because there are no benefits.

I thought maybe I was pixel peeping at the start, but I really don't think I am. I really really can't afford to an upgrade to a 5D Mk2 at the moment, but am really frustrated at the low ISO's.

I can't say i've tried shooting at lower resolutions to see if this will help matters. I don't mind shooting smaller raw images (mraw or sraw) if it helps the situation...i don't need this many mega pixels, but i don't know technically speaking if its the capacity to handle 18mp on the sensor which is the actual problem.

I will experiement later on this evening and post the results.
 
A 1D3 won't set you back too much extra from selling the 7D and will blow your socks off in comparison :)
 
The problem is I use my 7D as an HD video camera and the 1D doesn't have that function. It's a technology I really like.
 
FreeloaderJoe said:
The problem is I use my 7D as an HD video camera and the 1D doesn't have that function. It's a technology I really like.
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You could probably find 2hand 5d2 for a price close to 7d new.
 
alastairb said:
yea but i find 200mm on the crop too short, so i deffinatly have to add in the price of a 300mm f/4 which makes it a more substatial upgrade.

but it is the other strong consideration
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af-d 300 f/4 or tc-14 depending on price i get for stuff
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You're still going to have to then replace a flash and wide angle lens.. and possibly stump up extra cash for a 300 f4 anyway.. so it doesn't seem to be too different in the cash stakes?
 
purpleclouds said:
You're still going to have to then replace a flash and wide angle lens.. and possibly stump up extra cash for a 300 f4 anyway.. so it doesn't seem to be too different in the cash stakes?
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There's another consideration too... The 5DMKII has 21mp as opposed to the 18mp on the 7D. That's 14% more resolution.

That mean's you've got a potential 1.14x 'focal length multiplier' if you crop into the image by that much. :D It's not quite as good as 1.6x but it helps! ;)

Si

(prepares to be shot down for some dodgy 'back-of-an-envelope' maths) :wave:
 
If you're not happy then change, simple as that. Life's too short for stuff like brand loyalty etc...
 
I can't find any reference now but I'm sure I read somewhere that some of the problems were caused by Adobe Camera Raw being used as the raw developer. Can you bang the CR2 file through Canon's DPP and see if the noise is still there?
 
DPP is a reason to switch to Nikon IMVHO. Awful. :)
 
I don't agree with that at all... DPP is an excellent little bit of software for something that comes bundled for free.

Si
 
Well I did say IMVHO. I think it's a clunky horrible thing. It's by far the worst RAW processor I've used to actually use, free or not, but that's just IMVHO.
 
Well...I sold my 7D for £900. I'd have taken a lot less...moved over to D700. Shoot a lot of horses, as you know most indoor arenas are poorly lit. D700 fills me with confidence...it just delivers. Can't reccommend it highly enough. Glass is expensive, but hey..
 
alastairb said:
i have made the decision to stick with canon and go for a 1d3, as i think its a good comprimise between crop and full frame for reach and image quality.
thanks for all the responses
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and keeping your kneecaps :p

see how well behaved I was at staying out of the thread
 
trevorbray said:
Well...I sold my 7D for £900. I'd have taken a lot less...moved over to D700. Shoot a lot of horses, as you know most indoor arenas are poorly lit. D700 fills me with confidence...it just delivers. Can't reccommend it highly enough. Glass is expensive, but hey..
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I shifted as well Trevor, went for the D3 rather than 700 though but can't imagine going back to canon now. Only thing I miss a bit now is the 1.3X crop of the 1D series.
 
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