congratulations Kimi....

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.... as said on TV he went in, kept his gob shut and did his talking on the track!

fair play to the guy....

and yes I am a McLaren supporter, but deep down I am a F1 supporter and therefore I want a good race, and a good season
 
and if my maths is correct.. williams are 4th, which a good improvement for them, 2 british teams in the top 4,
 
Good to see Ferrari still doing the business even without Schumacher, Lewis will have many more years ahead of him, and for a first season he did amazingly well.

Alan
 
**grudgingly said** congratulations Kimi. :|





;) Its certainly been a roller coaster of a season, nice to have a decider on the final race too! ;)

Oh, and much respect to Rosberg again today, can't wait to see this guy in a more competitve car [be that an improved Williams or anywhere else], he will be blistering.
 
Ferrari do nothing by halfs, that had me on my knees many times in the last 2years.

Well done the team and Kimi. lets hope the new rules for next year liven the cars up a tad more, i think next year it will be more done to driver skill then having the best car for a given track.

Oh before any-one says anything i have been a Farrari for over 20 years,
 
Being British I was obviously willing Lewis on, but congrats to Kimi for keeping his "Iceman" image and just getting on with it.

Nice to see it coming down the wire for a change.
 
xynamic said:
most overrated driver on the grid
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don't start any arguments in this thread, at this rate DF will execute the following before the nd off the night:

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Yeah he did his talking where it counted on the track so well done to him.
Shame Lewis didnt win, but hey, he has many more years ahead of him in F1.
 
Was gutted Lewis didn't get it, but glad Kimi won it rather than Alonso.
 
now the big questions i whose going where off season.... by the way i have booked a tour of the williams grand proix collection for next year,not sure if anyone has ever been but well wotrth a visit - just google to fins out what i am talking about
 
Wow might not be all over after all

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63547

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, October 21st 2007, 20:50 GMT

BMW Sauber and Williams are under investigation of the Brazilian Grand Prix race stewards, autosport.com has learned.

Representatives of both teams were summoned to the stewards' office after their cars failed post-race inspection at Brazil.

The problem is believed to be in the tempature of the fuel samples taken from the cars of Williams's Nico Rosberg and BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.

The trio finished the race in fourth, fifth and sixth respectively.

More details to follow...
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xynamic said:
most overrated driver on the grid
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I cant say i wouldnt have prefered Massa to win the title, but i am a Ferrari supporter, so aslong a Ferrari driver wins i am happy.

Although i think the ban on TC will show up who is class out there, i dont expect to see Alsonso being quite so competive due his constant use of the TC.

I think next year will be interesting with Hami, Button, and Kimi being the ones to use TC far less then the current crop of racers.
 
Well, Lewis might still be awarded the championship IF Williams and BMW are proved to have been nawty boys.

What were they supposed to have done to fall foul?
 
russdaz said:
Why does that not suprise me, been waiting for 2 cars to be disqual since the end of the race.

They cant not let Hami win in some way, its worth tooooo much in advertisement.

I aint just saying that as a Ferrari fan, but as F1 fan.
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I wouldn't hold you breath, the FIA (Ferrari International Association) would never allow it and Bernie/Max wouldn't be happy as they would lose some of their kickbacks.
 
digitalfailure said:
What were they supposed to have done to fall foul?
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The problem seems to be something to do with the temperature of the fuel in their cars. If it was too cold, it would be more explosive, therefore making the cars faster :nono: :rules:
 
Ross said:
I wouldn't hold you breath, the FIA (Ferrari International Association) would never allow it and Bernie/Max wouldn't be happy as they would lose some of their kickbacks.
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Lol if that where case then the teams would never have been summoned as the FIA would have swept it under the carpet
 
Ross said:
I wouldn't hold you breath, the FIA (Ferrari International Association) would never allow it and Bernie/Max wouldn't be happy as they would lose some of their kickbacks.
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:lol::thumbs: Ain't that the truth. I really hoped that the ridiculous Ferrari-favouritism would be lessened this season, now that Golden Gonads isn't involved any more. But sadly not.
 
Grendel said:
The problem seems to be something to do with the temperature of the fuel in their cars. If it was too cold, it would be more explosive, therefore making the cars faster :nono: :rules:
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Serisouly does it not sound just a tad fishy?

Non of the teams have had issue all year then all of sudden Hami needs 2 places to win the champ theres 2 cars with the same issue.

I did try getting a after the race for 2 cars being disqual after todays race, looking like it would have been a safe bet lol
 
russdaz said:
Serisouly does it not sound just a tad fishy?
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:agree: totally. And I have to say, I'm sure it's not the way Lewis would want to win the title :nono:
 
Rosberg
Kubica
Heidfeld

makes 3 drivers facing the chop, and it was scruitineering that they apparently failed.

A bit like Ferrari's illegal bargeboards that they were never penalised over, and yet Honda were
 
Grendel said:
The problem seems to be something to do with the temperature of the fuel in their cars. If it was too cold, it would be more explosive, therefore making the cars faster :nono: :rules:
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makes sense...cooler fuel is more dense so more would be injected into the cylinders per stroke giving more powerful combustion (well, thats how i see it anyway :p)
 
Grendel said:
The problem seems to be something to do with the temperature of the fuel in their cars. If it was too cold, it would be more explosive, therefore making the cars faster :nono: :rules:
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its more that the colder it is the more you can get in the tank. therefore the tank would have a bigger capacity than the rules allow.
 
Snip from Autosport web site

Article 6.5.5 of the Formula One technical regulations states: "No fuel on board the car may be more than ten degrees centigrade below ambient temperature."

The statement issued by Bauer showed that Heidfeld's fuel was 13 degrees centigrade lower than ambient at his first stop and 12 degrees centigrade lower at his second stop.

Robert Kubica's fuel varied by 14 degrees, 13 degrees and 13 degrees at his three stops; Nico Rosberg's fuel was 13 degrees and 12 degrees out at his two stops and Kazuki Nakajima's was 12 degrees out at his first stop. His second stop was inside the 10-degree limit.

Spyker technical chief Mike Gascoyne said he believed the variation would have provided a performance advantage.

"It can be five to ten horsepower easily," he told autosport.com. "The car is producing a performance advantage during the race. If they dump fuel in that is below the limit, it is an illegal performance advantage. They should be excluded from the event, there is absolutely no doubt."

The implications of a disqualification for the BMW and Williams drivers would be huge, as it could potentially move Lewis Hamilton up the order into fourth place.

In such a case, Hamilton would be crowned the world championship.
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antihero said:
makes sense...cooler fuel is more dense so more would be injected into the cylinders per stroke giving more powerful combustion (well, thats how i see it anyway :p)
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the engine management controls the amount of fuel injected. Doesnt really matter what the temp is. More fuel isnt necessarily more powerful, if the fuel/air mixture has too much fuel then it will make it less powerful. You would have to somehow supercharge the engine with more air to make up for it.
 
xynamic said:
its more that the colder it is the more you can get in the tank. therefore the tank would have a bigger capacity than the rules allow.
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Thats why when you fill up your car with petrol you are supposed to stop when the fiel hose cuts out, this is supposed to be the optimal amount and still leaves room for the fuel to wamr up and therefore expand without overflowing from the tank...

If this is all correct, there will be some appealing going on, so the champion may not be known for a while, what a cock up this season is turning out to be
 
quote on bbc....
"Filling the car with cooler fuel can give a car an advantage.

Cooler fuel is denser, so either it can mean it takes slightly less time to refuel the car or marginally more can be added in the same time.

And it would give a slight power advantage for about three laps before it returned to ambient temperature out on the track.

Excluding the cars would risk turning one of the most exciting championship finales in F1 history into a farce.

But if the cars are found to have run fuel below the legal temperature, the stewards might feel obliged to disqualify them, even though the advantage conferred would almost certainly have had no bearing on the title race.

However, there is a precedent that could be used by race stewards not to exclude them.

In 1995, the Benetton-Renault of Michael Schumacher and the Williams-Renault of David Coulthard were initially disqualified from first and second places in the Brazilian Grand Prix because their fuel did not conform to samples approved by the FIA.

But a week later the FIA reinstated the drivers' points but docked the teams their constructors' points.

In that case, though, no advantage was gained by the irregularity. "
 
rwotton said:
Thats why when you fill up your car with petrol you are supposed to stop when the fiel hose cuts out, this is supposed to be the optimal amount and still leaves room for the fuel to wamr up and therefore expand without overflowing from the tank...

If this is all correct, there will be some appealing going on, so the champion may not be known for a while, what a cock up this season is turning out to be
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when i was a kid i filled my car up with petrol early one cold morning. by lunch time the petrol had expanded and come out of the fuel sender unit and soaked the boot in petrol.. nice and safe :)
 
It's all just daft now. If the champ cant be decided on track then I think the whole season should be written off and forgotten.

There has been far too much decided in closed board rooms this season already, this would be the nail in the coffin for the tiny remaining bit of credibility that F1 had left.
 
as a matter of interest, has there been any f1 season in the past 20 years which has gone down to the last race and not ended up as a farce?

prost taking out senna, senna taking out prost, shumacher taking out hill, shumacher trying to take out villeneuve and taking himself out. I'm sure there is probably more examples i have forgotten
 
xynamic said:
although if gascoyne says it gives a performance advantage then i'll take is word for it over mine :)
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lol, i would (no offence)

although you are right in what you say, but there is huge avatange in cooler fuel, in the same way as being able fill the tank more it will flow through the injectors quicker, and it will cool the overall fuel mix, the cooler the mix, the more mix you can push into the cylinders. The more mix in the cylinders and cooler the charge the longer you can leave spark, this equates to huge power increase. Thats why people running big boost turbos often put dry ice in there charge coolers.
 
xynamic said:
as a matter of interest, has there been any f1 season in the past 20 years which has gone down to the last race and not ended up as a farce?

prost taking out senna, senna taking out prost, shumacher taking out hill, shumacher trying to take out villeneuve and taking himself out. I'm sure there is probably more examples i have forgotten
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Last year?

Schumy and Alsonso? that was pretty straight forward.
 
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