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Not posted much on this thread so thought it about time.

Not many months ago I decided to have build a new computer built and as my son is into all that we did a joint effort (actually he did the build). My spec was for it to be specifically for photographic work not general do all and everything.
So after 3 months of research we hand picked the parts and kept changing our minds from day to day for the best within a price bracket. Eventually completed the build with a new IPS monitor and all. Since then added more RAM and second hard drive.
So now get Windows7 professional 16 gig RAM 2 hard drives 1/1.5 TB build cost around £1300.

That is a rough background

now to the problem and resolve bit.

Problem by now the computer was taking anywhere up to 4 minutes to shut down. Did all the normal checked like virus-Malware -Trogan- CC cleaner- defragged it etc etc but nothing showed up. Got fed up with the wait so purchased an SSD card (250GIG samsung). On the disk that came with it it "claimed" one could clone from hard disk drive "C" direct onto it. will I tried several times went right through to 99% and the last 1% failed, said something about not recognising Disk fragmentation or something but didn't say which disk drive.

So decided to do a clean build from scratch on the SSD card, and definately should have done that in the first place shutdown time around 12 seconds.
First problem over come after adding all the bits and pieces, oh the usb3 ports had to be added from the motherboard (ASUS P8Z77-V) disc way deep in the menu setup twice with that motherboard and the computer case I bought, so watch out for that.

One of the 2 front computer case fans gave a jerk but wouldn't start spinning except with a helping hand, no idea how long it had been like that, tried swapping connectors leads to no avail, so put back original 140mm case fans as a temp measure and just ordered some better fans "hopefully" well they are costing double the price of the upgraded fans we bought when doing the build.

So now computer is ok and waiting for new case fans to come on Monday with 1000 rpm so should cool it down a bit more.

Conclusion

Huge advantage in doing ones own computer build, you know the parts cost and quality. Load cheaper that shop bought ones with unwanted extras like games and trial this and that. Avoids build costs which you have to pay for in the purchase price. Also to add replace upgrade you know exactly how and what to do. If a shop did the build with same parts it would be almost double the price that we did it for.
SSD cards yes are expensive against a "normal " hard drive but so much faster and well worth the cost in my opinion. All my pictures/videos I am storing on a second ordinary hard drive leaving the SSD card to do the bulk of what computers do best.

Hope this is of at least some interest incase anyone is thinking of doing their own computer build.
By the way kept the old "C" drive incase I need to go back to it as it has everything on it but hope not, its just a backup

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Got down to 29c now was 33c see in picture
 
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if it was taking 4 mins to shutdown there was clearly an issue there. throwing new hardware at it, while SSD is always a good idea these days, wasnt really the way to go.
 
Yes, definitely a case of "I don't know what was happening but a complete reinstall cured it...."
 
Aye, mine does that but only if I leave the external drive connected, it take ages to stop writing to it:(

Did you really use 1333 MHz RAM?

I see that showing on the screen dump but you have to go in manually and adjust that setting if you used higher.
 
Aye, mine does that but only if I leave the external drive connected, it take ages to stop writing to it:(

Did you really use 1333 MHz RAM?

I see that showing on the screen dump but you have to go in manually and adjust that setting if you used higher.

aye, i had to force my asus board to run my corsair 1600 at the correct speed.
 
Yes, definitely a case of "I don't know what was happening but a complete reinstall cured it...."

The key word is "resolve" and the real fella is happy.
 
Aye, mine does that but only if I leave the external drive connected, it take ages to stop writing to it:(

Did you really use 1333 MHz RAM?

I see that showing on the screen dump but you have to go in manually and adjust that setting if you used higher.

That is how its running at 1333 Ram as those are the Ram cards used and installed. Added from the original build was to add extra 8 GIG RAM to make it 16 GIG, the ssd card. The quieter case fans of which as I mentioned are going to be replaced plus already installed second hard drive. Everything else is as shown no alterations at all.
Motherboard is an Asus P8Z77-V and a 1gb msi 560Ti OC twin frozen11 40nm fan.

link
http://uk.msi.com/product/vga/N560GTX-Ti-Twin-Frozr-II-OC.html



PSU 750w Corsair pro series gold AX750

Ram used

Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9B Vengeance Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9 XMP Performance Desktop Memory Kit Blue

Don't know if my son did any alterations or the computer did an auto upgrade to 3300Mhz but what is shown is what is there as of last night as you can see by the date. Sorry but can't help any more about RAM Mhz
 
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aye, i had to force my asus board to run my corsair 1600 at the correct speed.
Think I did too... (on a ASRock board now...)
 
The key word is "resolve" and the real fella is happy.
I understand, but you misread my tone ;) There is so much "wrong" with that build (money in the wrong place, misunderstanding of how the system operates leading to unoptimised component choice etc..), yet it is touted as a beacon of self-build and advice doled out accordingly. The advice is generally well intentioned but bad.

I have no problem with people giving it a go, just please know your limits and stick to them ;)
 
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I understand, but you misread my tone ;) There is so much "wrong" with that build (money in the wrong place, misunderstanding of how the system operates leading to unoptimised component choice etc..), yet it is touted as a beacon of self-build and advice doled out accordingly. The advice is generally well intentioned but bad.

I have no problem with people giving it a go, just please know your limits and stick to them ;)

Understand what your saying and thank you for your advice.
In my defense I relied mainly on my son who has built several computers and has several computer people he knows who he also checked with for components. What one person thinks is wrong is understandable yet others may have different thoughts. If we all built with the same spec and components every company making parts would be out of business except one. AS I said initially we spent ages on what to get for the build and rejected so many parts you just would not believe. Even changed minds 4 time on what case to get just as an example. The problem is computer components are being upgraded on a daily basis so one can only purchase what is available at the time. I don't want to run the computer at its optimum capacity which no doubt could be done with overclocking etc, but to my mind running anything at he max will burn out quicker

In the end I am happy with the build and to me that is really all that matters, but thanks again for your input
 
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yeah so your ram is underclocked then. you will need to go into the memory settings and change it from 1333 to 1600 to get the best performance from it.

I think he meant he added another two sticks that were 1333 rather than the original 1600 ones:eek:
 
I understand, but you misread my tone ;) There is so much "wrong" with that build (money in the wrong place, misunderstanding of how the system operates leading to unoptimised component choice etc..), yet it is touted as a beacon of self-build and advice doled out accordingly. The advice is generally well intentioned but bad.

I have no problem with people giving it a go, just please know your limits and stick to them ;)

Couldn't agree more about his computer et al :)

I thought you were displaying your engineering / IT hat to get to the bottom of his slow shutdown.

Occasionally, it's much quicker / easier just to do a clean install.
 
I think he meant he added another two sticks that were 1333 rather than the original 1600 ones:eek:

to be fair re-reading it the info isnt 100% clear.

Occasionally, it's much quicker / easier just to do a clean install.

99% of the time its just not needed. its also how windows gets a bad rep for "needing to be reinstalled regularly".
 
Understand what your saying and thank you for your advice.
In my defense I relied mainly on my son who has built several computers and has several computer people he knows who he also checked with for components. What one person thinks is wrong is understandable yet others may have different thoughts. If we all built with the same spec and components every company making parts would be out of business except one. AS I said initially we spent ages on what to get for the build and rejected so many parts you just would not believe. Even changed minds 4 time on what case to get just as an example. The problem is computer components are being upgraded on a daily basis so one can only purchase what is available at the time. I don't want to run the computer at its optimum capacity which no doubt could be done with overclocking etc, but to my mind running anything at he max will burn out quicker

In the end I am happy with the build and to me that is really all that matters, but thanks again for your input

What we are all trying to say is that if you were only running your original 8 gig of 1600 RAM, your RAM would still only run at 1333, as that appears to be the Asus default.

We all needed to go into the BIOS and raise it to the proper speed of 1600.

All academic, as you appear to have added unmatching sticks so all your RAM now runs at the lower speed :nono:
 
Thanks everyone and a huge hug from me. now running at DDR3 1600 Mhz

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I notice the cpu/mb etc has risen in temperature by 1% but the new fans may compensate have to wait and see:thumbs::thumbs:
 
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