Comments people make.

joxby said:
What about the other half, is 'Fabliously stunningly beautastic' any more informative than "I don't like it" ?

maybe its just nicer but with an equal eureka value of 0

personally, I'd find it easier to ignore plainly obtuse comments.
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Just wanted to debate this point a little, not that you shouldn't take on board these comments, especially considering the quality of Joxby's photography. (and can I also say, can I have some bloody comments of you too please then Joxby. :D ;) )

My disagreement comes from the fact that I think 'Fabliously stunningly beautastic' are in fact very useful things to say, and have way more value than suggested.... they're uplifting , inspirational and feed ones photographic ego and talents ... we all need uplifting from time to time so I can see nothing wrong with just saying you like something even if you can't say what and why exactly.

I want to remind all the new guys and those who feel inadequately armed with knowledge and talents, thats is especially okay just to say 'nice shot, I like that, wow, amazing etc ... always very nice for the poster, and it makes them feel more a part of our community and not left thinking there not in the clique group for the lack of replies ...there is no clique group if you don't imagine one after all. hehe.

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EdinburghGary said:
I agree with 68lbs mostly, but even the really poor photos deserve some crit I feel, even though I am probably not qualified to give it.

Gary.
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We all know what works for us and what doesn't when viewing an image - just say so and say it politely (as you and most folk invariably do on here :))

If you have technical nous to add then that helps as well (I don't so I stick to the composition, colour and simpler stuff :))

It's so simple - critique with consideration :)
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
My disagreement comes from the fact that I think 'Fabliously stunningly beautastic' are in fact very useful things to say, and have way more value than suggested.... they're uplifting , inspirational and feed ones photographic ego and talents ... we all need uplifting from time to time so I can see nothing wrong with just saying you like something even if you can't say what and why exactly.

I want to remind all the new guys and those who feel inadequately armed with knowledge and talents, thats is especially okay just to say 'nice shot, I like that, wow, amazing etc ... always very nice for the poster, and it makes them feel more a part of our community and not left thinking there not in the clique group for the lack of replies ...there is no clique group if you don't imagine one after all. hehe.

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I agree 100% with this sentiment.

Gary.
 
rh1944 said:
I knew I was a better man than you. I usually type with two fingers.:thinking:
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Took me 15 minutes to type that Russell................:lol:
 
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I'll do a separate post in the talk photography forum for the open uni advice on C&C.
 
fracster said:
What on earth is the big deal about people watermarking thier images? If they want to let them. It ain`t no skin off anyones nose, is it?

I would imagine that the vast majority on here are keen hobbyists, yeah, sure, there are some damned good togs on here, probably some that are good enough to do it for a living, I don`t know. But what I do know is that my photography has come on in leaps and bounds since joining here and getting good advice and helpful criticism. By all means if an image is bad say so, but say why you think it is bad.

I also think that some people are too thin skinned and take everything to heart, mirrored by the fact that some people are just downright ignorant and rude in thier criticism. These comments are aimed at nobody in particular.

IMO, TP is not as friendly nor as helpful as it used to be, there are way too many egos on here and way too many self imposed experts.

Now for the guys who run the forum, i`m sorry about the last paragraph, I truly am, but it is how I see this great forum at the moment and it is a place that I like too visit and have learned much from.

Bottom line, if you see an image that is good, say so and say why, if you see one that is bad or not too your taste, say so, but for all our help, say why.

If you can`t offer criticism in a pleasant and helpful way, then say sod all.

My finger is now sore, so i`ll STFU..............:thumbs:
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I was just about to start typing when I read Ade's post
That saved me a lot of sore fingers :thumbs:
I'll pretty much agree with everything he said
save one minor issue, I do find some watermarks distracting
but thats a side issue and everyone to their own
And I also apologies to the mods for that "one Comment" as I also agree with that one.
You do a damned fine job (under tough conditions at times :thumbs: )
 
who? said:
Where I come from those two words have exactly the same meaning.
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They do where I come from too. But then faeces and poo also mean the same thing ;)...and they're allowed too! :D

I think the concencus is....just be polite, nice, friendly and more importantly helpful.
 
We've just published our Forum Etiquette guide that we've been working on. It's a sticky with the rules in Forum Discussion at the moment.

It outlines the sort of posting we like to see on TP.
It's aimed at a guide for new users mainly, but everyone will benefit from having a read through it :)
 
Oh and just to butt in, how about if an amateur critics a profressionals work? ie. Although I've just got into photography, I tend to sometimes express my opinion on what might make the photo better but am always conscious of who posted the photo and if they are experienced or not......meh I'm just chatting away, please feel free to add to this if you wish
 
I'll think its sad we even had to have this post, and recently there seems to be so much bickering arguing etc that it is putting people off.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Just wanted to debate this point a little, not that you shouldn't take on board these comments, especially considering the quality of Joxby's photography. (and can I also say, can I have some bloody comments of you too please then Joxby. :D ;) )

My disagreement comes from the fact that I think 'Fabliously stunningly beautastic' are in fact very useful things to say, and have way more value than suggested.... they're uplifting , inspirational and feed ones photographic ego and talents ... we all need uplifting from time to time so I can see nothing wrong with just saying you like something even if you can't say what and why exactly.

I want to remind all the new guys and those who feel inadequately armed with knowledge and talents, thats is especially okay just to say 'nice shot, I like that, wow, amazing etc ... always very nice for the poster, and it makes them feel more a part of our community and not left thinking there not in the clique group for the lack of replies ...there is no clique group if you don't imagine one after all. hehe.

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Thank-you Adam!!!!

I had a massive missive typed out about this and you've put it far more eloquently and made it far less inflamatory than I had!

It's true though. And it just might make people go away and think 'Cool, now why did everybody love that shot?' They're then going to learn to critique and edit their own stuff and learn more about their photography because they've been forced to think about it! I think the reverse is equally true with bad shots. I know people will have me hung drawn and quartered for saying that but think about it for a minute. Do you remember stuff you've learnt for yourself more or stuff where somebody has just gone 'oooh, the horizon is 00000000000.5mm of on the right hand side'??
You have to be realisitic about the amount of time people spend on here, sometimes 'nice shot/bad shot' is all people have the time for and at least they're contributing on some level.

What really spanks my cat at the moment though is people who've got their heads shoved so far up their own behinds that they're unable to see the other side of the argument. Intelligent debate is one thing. Just being a stubborn arse is quite another.

 
Xplosion said:
Oh and just to butt in, how about if an amateur critics a profressionals work? ie. Although I've just got into photography, I tend to sometimes express my opinion on what might make the photo better but am always conscious of who posted the photo and if they are experienced or not......meh I'm just chatting away, please feel free to add to this if you wish
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JFDI!!!!!

You're opinion is no less valid than somebody who's been working as a tog all their life.

You never know,you might just get them thinking about things in a way that they never have before.

I always believe that everybody I meet in life has something important to teach me, either about life or myself.
 
Gandhi said:
JFDI!!!!!

You're opinion is no less valid than somebody who's been working as a tog all their life.

You never know,you might just get them thinking about things in a way that they never have before.

I always believe that everybody I meet in life has something important to teach me, either about life or myself.
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A couple of my better shots have come about from a suggestion by my 9 year old son... Remember, advice is free, and you can ignore it if you choose;)

I positively welcome criticism - it's how I get better!
 
Develop the mind of equilibrium.
You will always be getting praise and blame,
but do not let either affect the poise of the mind:
follow the calmness, the absence of pride.
-Sutta Nipata
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One should follow a man of wisdom who rebukes one for one’s faults, as one would follow a guide to some buried treasure.
To one who follows such a wise man, it will be an advantage and not a disadvantage.
-Dhammapada 76
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Forbiddenbiker said:
My disagreement comes from the fact that I think 'Fabliously stunningly beautastic' are in fact very useful things to say, and have way more value than suggested.... they're uplifting , inspirational and feed ones photographic ego and talents ... we all need uplifting from time to time so I can see nothing wrong with just saying you like something even if you can't say what and why exactly.
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You're right, I wrote a disclaimer saying the same thing but didn't post it cos the thread had moved on....and on...
Fabliously stunningly beautastic does have merit, I'm not suggesting everyone needs the same depth of critique, because they don't, sometimes they just need a pat on the back just to keep the flame lit, whether they're work merits it or not.
I guess that's what this thread is about, its as easy to type 3 words of encouragement as it is to type 3 words of obtusety, the effect of each is very different.
I do find both good and bad 3 word comments equally frustrating though, in their lack of content, which was probably my point originally.
I wouldn't like to see FSB disappear altogether...:)
 
This forum is by far and away the friendliest that I've come across. Another (un-named but begins in E and ends in zine) to which I subscribed for a while, had some of the rudest, most self-centred, opinionated people on it that I've ever come across. This forum on the other hand seems to me, and I admit I've not been here for long, just the opposite. I've said this before and I will repeat loudly as often as is necessary, I HAVE LEARNED MORE IN THE 2 MONTHS I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS FORUM THAN IN THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS OF OWNING A CAMERA.
It's great and I love you all (thanks Liberace) :clap::clap:

Andy
 
Andysnap said:
This forum is by far and away the friendliest that I've come across. Another (un-named but begins in E and ends in zine) to which I subscribed for a while, had some of the rudest, most self-centred, opinionated people on it that I've ever come across. This forum on the other hand seems to me, and I admit I've not been here for long, just the opposite. I've said this before and I will repeat loudly as often as is necessary, I HAVE LEARNED MORE IN THE 2 MONTHS I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS FORUM THAN IN THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS OF OWNING A CAMERA.
It's great and I love you all (thanks Liberace) :clap::clap:

Andy
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Thank you, goodnight, you`ve been brilliant..............great post and sums up what I have tried to say................:thumbs:
 
Since I joined the forum just a few months ago I've posted a few images including some which I thought were a bit naff or too conventional or then again I considered very good :D but the responses I've received have made me look at my shots in a totally different way :clap:

All I would say is that the positives (even those without reason) encourage me and the critical posts teach me :D

So please post your comments good or bad as we all learn from them :thumbs:

Oh! and don't feed the Trolls :lol:

Steve
 
Christ,

If everyone put as much effort into giving polite, constructive criticism as they have 'talking' about polite constructive criticism, then problem solved. Not only would everyone here leaern,improve and glean great knowledge but we would all be appreciateive and friendly again (well, in most cases anyway!)

Erm....told myself i wasnt going to get drawn into this debate.....doh!!:bang::bonk:
 
Xplosion said:
Oh and just to butt in, how about if an amateur critics a profressionals work?
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Professional doesn't guarantee 'good' does it?

Even if the professional is good, I would suggest they listen to non-pro comments as I suspect they make up the majority of their paying customers and as such should view it as useful feedback for their commercial work.

Personally I would not like to turn pro, there are too many constrictions on the type of work you do (unless you are very lucky or rich to begin with) and I enjoy taking pictures of what 'I' want to, not what the punter feels they want, plus it seems to have morphed into a pretty bloated market now, what with every Tom, Dick & Hamster pointing DSLR's at anything and expecting payment for the results.

Anyway, comments, yes... good or bad they're all useful. The fact that somebody feels moved enough to comment at all should be an indication that the image has provoked some kind of a reaction.
 
How can you hate it? Stick a toe in, the water's lovely :D
 
reddeathdrinker said:
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I sorry, i don't know if this is just me, but you have a watermark thingy going across your type and i cant read it for toffee. It hurts my eyes :thinking:

I personally feel threatened when I post images... for one reason being that some comments people make are unnecessary. And in truth it does put me off a wee bit.
Just my opinion and me feelings of course.
But generally, I feel honoured to receive constructive comments when I do, as i know they must have taken a bit of time to think it through :)

My 2 pennies worth

Kate x
 
C+C falls into to categories, technical/technique & personal preference both of which are valid.

I shouldn’t be too difficult for anyone to give honest C+C, no matter how brutally honest, without being polite and thoughtful.

I personally have learnt a lot through C+C on here and try to reciprocate that with my comments.

I have got to know a few people on here with whom I can be less ‘serious’ with my comments and have a joke, but again, I don’t take too far by causing offence.

This has been discussed before. Just employ ‘basis manners’ and you won’t go far wrong in my view.
 
OT, sorry Matt, but I see that watermark. Thought at first it was a mark on my screen and tried to rub it off. What is it ?
 
joxby said:
You're right, I wrote a disclaimer saying the same thing but didn't post it cos the thread had moved on....and on...
Fabliously stunningly beautastic does have merit, I'm not suggesting everyone needs the same depth of critique, because they don't, sometimes they just need a pat on the back just to keep the flame lit, whether they're work merits it or not.
I guess that's what this thread is about, its as easy to type 3 words of encouragement as it is to type 3 words of obtusety, the effect of each is very different.
I do find both good and bad 3 word comments equally frustrating though, in their lack of content, which was probably my point originally.
I wouldn't like to see FSB disappear altogether...:)
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Thought as much! :thumbs: ...lucky I got in their first by the look of things. :D

I'm quite guilty of those three word comments probably, partly laziness perhaps, but mainly because I choose to egg someone on rather than crit their shots fully every time... especially if I think they've just jumped ahead a little since the last set they put up. ...Its like constant correction can take the wind out of ones inspiration, not for all, but certainly for many I reckon.
 
kmlc said:
I sorry, i don't know if this is just me, but you have a watermark thingy going across your type and i cant read it for toffee. It hurts my eyes :thinking:
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice;) It's just my way of expressing my feelings about watermarks on images (it's an image of a post, with a watermark added if you haven't guessed yet!!)

Keep it light-hearted, and keep it enjoyable:thumbs:
 
i can still read it but thats the disylexic in me :D i can read things backwords and upside down just as easy but cannot spell for poo :lol:
i think if people want watermarks its up to them, i do use them but not through the middle of the pic unless i really want to protect it as mine :D
 
reddeathdrinker said:
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice;) It's just my way of expressing my feelings about watermarks on images (it's an image of a post, with a watermark added if you haven't guessed yet!!)

Keep it light-hearted, and keep it enjoyable:thumbs:
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:lol: I did wonder too, thinking, 'hes making a statement, gotta be' ... But I didn't comment because i did want to go all arty pharty... especially as this threads is all about comments. ;) ;)

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Thats comments everyone! not something far less, like bloody watermarks! :rules: :p
 
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