Coming back to Canon - but what lenses?

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So, presuming funds can be raised from the sale of my older (and newer Fuji) kit, I'm thinking of picking up some of the lenses I never could have when I was younger.

The body will more than likely be a Canon R8 (or maybe a R6 II if the quotes come back better than hoped - but I doubt it), anyway, I suspect in my line-up will be a 135L F2 and a macro, 1:1 minimum - I loved the 135 when I was on Canon so many years ago, but what else?

I'm not so rich I can afford to flesh out with RF lenses, they're just silly money, and I'm thinking my budget for the lenses will be around a grand to a grand and a half - second hand.

I am keen to get things with IS (or OS or VC) and a decent level of light, no less than f2.8 and have snappy autofocus, I'm expecting something like the 24-70 + 70-200 to cover most situations, or would a small range of primes be better?

I understand there can be a lot of difference between a mk1, mk ii and mk iii, outside of just the price, so please if you have a recommendation and know first hand the difference, feel free to let me know why one over another, and I have no issues with straying from Canon lenses if the 3rd party is better.

So, that's why I ask you peeps, if anyone knows of that legendary 12-800mm f0.7 with solid stabilisation for 75p, it'd be you :D
 
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You haven't mentioned what you will be shooting, which makes it hard to recommend lenses.
 
Bloody good point, portraits (of the family, but I do like a blown out background, hence the 135), macro, wildlife (but doubt I can get much this time round) and landscape, most things really, and the occasional street shot if I'm feeling brave
 
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Macro - EF 100mm 2.8 or Loawa 100mm 2.8 2x ultra if your up for manual focus.
 
Thanks all, interesting find on the EF/RF auto focus.
Certainly the 100m macro is an option, one I used way back when, I'm okay with manual focus, I used to have the mpe 65 and flash.
The nifty fifty though, a solid option, but oddly not one I ever found myself reaching for, no idea why though.
 
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The Tamron 24-70 2.8 is the best bang for buck std zoom. The 135L is an obvious longer choice for you (and me).
The old 85 1.8 isn’t expensive, and the RF 16mm 2.8 is almost as cheap as the RF 50mm

And I appreciate you didn’t ask but…
Speaking of bang for buck though, the R6 mkI is a better buy than the mkII or the R8 IMO, a nearly new one being cheaper than an R8, and the mkII has no killer update to the mkI.

And the saving on a mkI over a mkII would get you a decent 70-200 2.8, I have the original, and bear in mind it’s now got IS on the R6.
 
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Cheers Phil, I'll take a look at the lenses (btw, was that 24-70 the G2 or original?) - those primes look like they'd cover a fair bit.

I had considered the R6 mk 1, funny thing though, a new R8 is 1230 at the mo, whereas a second hand, like new R6 Mk 1 on MPB is 1699, a new Mk 2 is 1999.
All down to Canon having a sale on, which I hope to take advantage of (if I can nag my wife enough she caves in!)

I won't lie, the IBIS would be great, I have it on my Fuji and is really useful.
 
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Cheers Phil, I'll take a look at the lenses (btw, was that 24-70 the G2 or original?) - those primes look like they'd cover a fair bit.

I had considered the R6 mk 1, funny thing though, a new R8 is 1230 at the mo, whereas a second hand, like new R6 Mk 1 on MPB is 1699, a new Mk 2 is 1999.
All down to Canon having a sale on, which I hope to take advantage of (if I can nag my wife enough she caves in!)

I won't lie, the IBIS would be great, I have it on my Fuji and is really useful.
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I'd start looking outside MPB

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Used Canon EOS R6 Body (Boxed, <9000 Actuations)| London Camera Exchange -Southampton (Civic Centre)

Used Canon EOS R6 Body (Boxed, <9000 Actuations) | London Camera Exchange - Southampton (Civic Centre) | To buy or for more information visit Southampton (Civic Centre) or call 023 8033 1720
www.lcegroup.co.uk
 
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Cheers Phil, I'll take a look at the lenses (btw, was that 24-70 the G2 or original?) - those primes look like they'd cover a fair bit.

I had considered the R6 mk 1, funny thing though, a new R8 is 1230 at the mo, whereas a second hand, like new R6 Mk 1 on MPB is 1699, a new Mk 2 is 1999.
All down to Canon having a sale on, which I hope to take advantage of (if I can nag my wife enough she caves in!)

I won't lie, the IBIS would be great, I have it on my Fuji and is really useful.
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As above, there was one for sale here for less than an R8, it’s not clear whether it’s still for sale.
I believe the original Tamron was great, no idea how much better the mkII is.
 
Fair point, on looking other than MPB, I actually use camerapricebuster and did see plenty cheaper but was going for the closest apples to apples given I quickly know "like new"

I will take another look though, I forget which AF modes are lost (and if its as good) and recall the MP was a smidge lower at 20 vs 24, was it?
On the upside, if the better half digs her heals in I won't need to worry about the sale running out :D

Edit - checking this out - should answer most of my questions - link
Edit 2 - So, AF mode differences, R8 gains, horses and zerbras, trains and airplanes - not too concerned about those, but the improved eye could be of note - though in the AF section of that video
Edit 3 - I'm not sure if that helped or hindered - R6 seems better in most places, except AF (though not by much unless your bird of choice is hiding), video (overheat) and weight, where the R8 doesn't appear to fare well was in weird banding due to 1st curtain shutter, but I don't foresee me taking studio lit shots or taking shots in a theatre :: all in all I'm open to either, both have limitations
 
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Just watched that video; and it’s not clear cut which is best.

I’d probably stick w R6 for more controls, IBIS and better battery, but if I shot video it’d not be so straightforward
 
Aye, tis a quandary - that said I used my Fuji yesterday and automatically reached for the AF joystick hmn...
 
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I had considered the R6 mk 1, funny thing though, a new R8 is 1230 at the mo, whereas a second hand, like new R6 Mk 1 on MPB is 1699, a new Mk 2 is 1999.
All down to Canon having a sale on, which I hope to take advantage of (if I can nag my wife enough she caves in!)
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The Canon sale is marked as a clearance sale. By all accounts the R6 ii is being replaced soon so perhaps the R8 is also being replaced but this seems odd given it was only released last year. Perhaps it is on offer until the R6 ii stocks have sold out in order to differentiate the two prices.

The used prices for the R6 i from MPB and Wex do seem very high, perhaps they bought when the prices were higher?

I bought a used R6 i a couple of weeks ago from LCE. It was marked as very good condition with a very low shutter count and cost just under £1,100. It came boxed with all the normal contents and I cannot see a mark on it. Also covered by a 6m guarantee.

However, my requirements are probably different to yours, not everybody wants to buy used and the R8 is a newer camera.

Whatever you get, enjoy.
 
lol, I think I just called them out on the 1100, the link given about at 1250 had 1100 on the picture, they told me its wrong though, and reserved - oh well - worth a try.

I'm good with used, I just need to find the right one, and maybe now a R6
 
I'd wait for R6 III which is probably due out very soon, and then if anything get better value for the old ones.

Re lenses you are much better off going with all out Sigma ART primes, however it has to be said that many latest gen EF zooms will still perform more than OK on a 6K sensor, but not beyond. There is a budget option of 70-200mm f/4 IS mk1 (don't bother with mk2 unless you are all about 135-200mm and don't care about 70mm at all), 16-35mm f/4 is OK if avoiding 35mm end, f/2.8 III a little better and fixes mega annoying ghosting issue in very contrasty light. 100% wouldn't bother with ANY 24-70...
 
Cheers - there is something to say for waiting for the mk III, however, I've no patience and wouldn't be getting the III anyway, but as you say the others "should" be cheaper, but by how much? A couple of hundred quid, say in a year, whats that 50p a day, not bad rental ;)

I do hear a bit about the Art lenses, very good, pretty dear - I'll have to dig more.
 
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I do hear a bit about the Art lenses, very good, pretty dear - I'll have to dig more.
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I have the ART EF 40mm f1.4 . . . full weather sealing and AF/Manual focus and verrry sharp with smoooth bokeh. A big 'ol thing. Glad I bought it (new from Jessops).
 
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Cheers - there is something to say for waiting for the mk III, however, I've no patience and wouldn't be getting the III anyway, but as you say the others "should" be cheaper, but by how much? A couple of hundred quid, say in a year, whats that 50p a day, not bad rental ;)
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From my own perspective the crash of original R6 value shortly after II was so substantial that I am still very angry with Canon. I just barely had it for maybe 2 months, so 4 months in it has lost nearly 50% of the value and is basically unsellable, and I thought I had a good offer for it at the trade show. Had I gone for A7IV it is still retailing for exactly the same. This march I could have bought another new R6 for just a sliver over £1000 at the show.
So it may well be the case that R6II will crash to R6 I levels in mere weeks, After all they are nearly identical until you buy Atomos Ninja V+ for external 6K RAW video, which I simply am not going to spend. Of course it may also hold value better this time round.

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I do hear a bit about the Art lenses, very good, pretty dear - I'll have to dig more.
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28mm, 40mm, 50mm, 85mm and 135mm are the ones to look for. 70mm is a special case mainly for landscapes or controlled macros due to terrible AF motor in it. Obviously 105mm f/1.4 is also great but this won't even fit into any normal bag!
35mm f/1.4 is much better from Tamron. You either get this or 40mm ART, not much point to buy both.
 
Thanks again, terrible timing with the R6
 
Well, thats the camera side sorted - found an R6 that looks good at 1100 and have it ordered, sorry LLP - waiting not my thing, however, Phil, you talked me round - well done, not many can :D

Anyway, back to lesnes!
 
haha, well thats new - went to buy a 24-105 (not my dream lens by a long way, but given I really need something to put on it its a good walk-round), was going to pay for paypal protection and they withdrew all their kit - still, I get it, buying and selling is risky, so far I've been lucky!

May be the nifty yet...
 
Hi John
Only withdrew as I don't get any protection whatsoever and Paypal always side with the buyer, so as seller I take all of the risk.
Gear is still here as I'm selling all of my Canon kit and changing to olympus.
I do hope you find something for your shiny new camera and scratch that GAS itch:)
 
haha, thanks, I'm sure I will - not calling you out btw, just a first for me - but yeah as a buyer same deal really, no protection equals getting a brick.
One good thing about trading here - after a while is you get a decent reputation, which usually helps, though mines somewhat rusty, but Phil may remember me, he's possibly the only person I've met in real life here.
 
Plus the fact, I, yes me Mr. Careful was scammed last year.
Only £90, but it was the pride not the money.
Didn't think I could be scammed.
Doh
 
Thats awful - that'll leave a sting.
 
It did.
Anyway, lots of good stuff on the forum without selling so I'll enjoy that.
 
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