Clarkson suspended by the BBC, TG taken off air.

I believe it was handbags and some pushing ratehr than a punch. A punch however is much more newsworthy.
 
Nod said:
But is it right to throw a punch at someone? IIRC you said that if someone punched you, you would have them done for assault - same rules should apply to corpulent, overpaid TV personalities IMO. It's not as if missing a meal would do the fat git any real harm (and wasn't it just that he couldn't have a particular steak he fancied rather than NO food at all?)
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You remembered correctly, I did say that. The situation is different though. In my hypothetical situation, another corpulent Yorkshireman, a stranger suggested to punch me in a pub merely for suggesting he hadn't lived in context of calling all businesses corrupt horrible places or something to that ilk.

In the top gear example there was no punch, nothing connected. I've worked in plenty of male dominated environments; airborne infantry, nbc,law enforcement, intelligence, information technology etc. Besides SME and large multinational corporations. I've been kicked, punched, guns pointed at and all sorts. It is easy to see people change after a long day, when they are tired and hungry. And especially when they know each other and work in a team. Especially an experience producer should be aware of that and look after the team.

Anyway the only facts we do know is that whatever is described as a punch did not connect. And that the BBC suspended Jeremy and the show following Jeremy's reporting of the incident was suspended. Nothing else, I think, has been confirmed as facts.

To me, on the face of it, throwing away an enterprise worth hundreds of millions seems an overreaction. I would guess that either it is gross incompetence by BBC management, or something much much more serious is at play here.
 
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Nod said:
But is it right to throw a punch at someone? IIRC you said that if someone punched you, you would have them done for assault - same rules should apply to corpulent, overpaid TV personalities IMO. It's not as if missing a meal would do the fat git any real harm (and wasn't it just that he couldn't have a particular steak he fancied rather than NO food at all?)
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I found this pretty funny. Apparently he wanted an '8 oz sirloin', which is about 230 grams. Usually on the menu as a 'Ladies Steak' in South Africa! :D
 
Am I missing something?
Currently JC is suspended; the other two have pitched a hissy fit, and the show (and some live shows) have been suspended.
At the moment the BBC haven't thrown anything away.
All three (albeit amusing) juveniles could return to the show.
On the other hand all three could be told to sling their hooks.
Either way, there's no reason TG, in all it's formats, can't continue with fresh juveniles, is there? :thinking:
 
MartynK said:
I found this pretty funny. Apparently he wanted an '8 oz sirloin', which is about 230 grams. Usually on the menu as a 'Ladies Steak' in South Africa! :D
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Why would anyone want more than half a pound of meat as part of a meal? :eek:
 
viv1969 said:
Am I missing something?
Currently JC is suspended; the other two have pitched a hissy fit, and the show (and some live shows) have been suspended.
At the moment the BBC haven't thrown anything away.
All three (albeit amusing) juveniles could return to the show.
On the other hand all three could be told to sling their hooks.
Either way, there's no reason TG, in all it's formats, can't continue with fresh juveniles, is there? :thinking:
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I don't know the contracts, however they've missed to fulfil at least three shows already about this. I would have thought that those tv show buyers around the world will have some come back on that. Further more they bought a show with those three presenting it, having other presenters (regardless of how good it may or may not be) would constitute a material change. I'd reasonable argue that it wouldn't attract the same value initially.

Furthermore, considering how long it has taken so far, I'm not so sure there is an easy way back for the BBC. We will have to see.
 
viv1969 said:
Why would anyone want more than half a pound of meat as part of a meal? :eek:
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Don't worry with a sirloin there is lots of fat to leave on the side ;)
 
dejongj said:
I don't know the contracts, however they've missed to fulfil at least three shows already about this. I would have thought that those tv show buyers around the world will have some come back on that. Further more they bought a show with those three presenting it, having other presenters (regardless of how good it may or may not be) would constitute a material change. I'd reasonable argue that it wouldn't attract the same value initially.

Furthermore, considering how long it has taken so far, I'm not so sure there is an easy way back for the BBC. We will have to see.
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All true, although the amount of channels which carry TG worldwide isn't likely to change, so that's still rather a lot of revenue....as are the foreign version of TG.
And the magazine.
I don't think the BBC are as dim as folks might like to think they are.
I reckon deep in the bowels of the acres of contracts, will be a tiny rider, giving them free reign to change presenters with no penalty. ;)
 
viv1969 said:
Am I missing something?
Currently JC is suspended; the other two have pitched a hissy fit, and the show (and some live shows) have been suspended.
At the moment the BBC haven't thrown anything away.
All three (albeit amusing) juveniles could return to the show.
On the other hand all three could be told to sling their hooks.
Either way, there's no reason TG, in all it's formats, can't continue with fresh juveniles, is there? :thinking:
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BBC sold the series 22 based on a run of ten programmes. with it being sold worldwide, at the moment they are having to refund and apparently are offering specials for free to keep the forign broadcasters happy, something they would have charged a lot of money for, so it's already costing the BBC.

Their current contracts expire this week. Talk within the BBC is that Top Gear is over. It is the format of the three presenters that makes it entertaining.
 
Byker28i said:
BBC sold the series 22 based on a run of ten programmes. with it being sold worldwide, at the moment they are having to refund and apparently are offering specials for free to keep the forign broadcasters happy, something they would have charged a lot of money for, so it's already costing the BBC.

Their current contracts expire this week. Talk within the BBC is that Top Gear is over. It is the format of the three presenters that makes it entertaining.
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Sources perchance?

They'd be solid gold idiots to let TG die without at least attempting to reboot.
 
viv1969 said:
Sources perchance?
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I heard from a contact at the BBC, it's one of the major talking point, plus from other broadcast related sources.

You misunderstand the bbc if you think this now isn't about Danny Cohern showing his strength. It's now a showdown with him refusing to back down.

But since you like links, I've also found it reported in the Standard, so it seems it's common knowledge

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...er-fracas-going-to-cost-the-bbc-10105987.html

Staff at BBC Worldwide have been “all hands to the pump” since Tuesday’s announcement that the next two shows will not air, offering foreign markets free access to replacement episodes such as the Patagonia special, for which they would normally charge big rates
 
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I heard from a contact at the BBC, it's one of the major talking point, plus from other broadcast related sources.

You misunderstand the bbc if you think this now isn't about Danny Cohern showing his strength. It's now a showdown with him refusing to back down.

But since you like links, I've also found it reported in the Standard, so it seems it's common knowledge

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...er-fracas-going-to-cost-the-bbc-10105987.html

Staff at BBC Worldwide have been “all hands to the pump” since Tuesday’s announcement that the next two shows will not air, offering foreign markets free access to replacement episodes such as the Patagonia special, for which they would normally charge big rates
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Ta.
 
In my opinion, Clarkson, or anyone else in the media, skating on the thin ice of preposterous political incorrectness is bad enough. This business of keeping to the middle ground for fear of offending someone's granny and getting bad press as a result has become impossible to implement and maintain.

It's worse than the paranoid restrictions of modern health and safety directives -- like a school sports day cancelled in case parents get injured taking part. Or overly restrictive byelaws that get us into trouble for picking bluebells. We can't just say and do whatever grabs us, but we need to get some balance back into our guidelines, regulations and laws.

Now we have a lesser issue of BBC employees having a go at each other and a massively popular TV show could be axed or postponed as a result. Life's rubbish enough without dumping a series that many millions look forward to once a year. Top Gear (in its present format, including the presenters) is the antithesis of and antidote to all the TV dross that stifles the life out of us with second rate humour, fake smiles, cheesy celeb interviews and mind-numbingly crass Saturday night programming. And what about the soaps!

No Top Gear? I'll lose my fix!
 
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Sam Tip said:
It's worse than the paranoid restrictions of modern health and safety directives -- like a school sports day cancelled in case parents get injured taking part. Or overly restrictive byelaws that get us into trouble for picking bluebells. We can't just say and do whatever grabs us, but we need to get some balance back into our guidelines, regulations and laws.
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strictly speaking bluebells are protected under the wildlife and countryside act so its not a byelaw issue - and rightly so, bluebells and wild flowers generally are therefore everyone to enjoy not for selfish getts to take home (or worse uproot and sell). And the school sports day thing isnt to do with HSE directives (none of which say any such thing - with a risk assessment you'd be fine) but litigation - if silly bastards didnt try to sue everytime they hurt themselves this wouldnt be an issue (although inthe case at hand - or at least the only one google can find- the real issue wass that the sports feild was not yet ready to be used for sport having previously been an agricultural field)
 
Sam Tip said:
Top Gear is the antithesis and antidote to all the TV dross that stifles the life out of us with second rate humour, fake smiles, cheesy celeb interviews and mind-numbingly crass Saturday night programming. And what about the soaps!

No Top Gear? I'll lose my fix!
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Really?
With it's track / road tests biased by manufacturers threats to withhold future models.....utterly rigged races....contrived and equally rigged challenges.....

Enjoy it by all means, I do on occassion, but although it's a different genre, it's equally as much dross as all the rest :-)
 
Well, they were just about to get Porsche, Mclaren and Ferrari agree to let them cvompare the new 918, LaFerrari and McLaren P1. They were trying very hard to get them to agree.
As for rigged races, they've said more than once the races weren't rigged. Obviously theres the need for the chase cars to get footage, and for the speed limits to be more or less observed. Quite often the cars been losing lately
 
dejongj said:
Don't worry with a sirloin there is lots of fat to leave on the side ;)
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....My butcher knows that I always like my meat, especially sirloin, with plenty of fat. Furthermore, a good butcher knows that fat gives taste and helps the cooking even if it is only a few minutes each side of a steak. I had a rib end cut of rib-eye steak open chargrilled at home last night - Looked very tatty and most somewhat ignorant meat eaters would have sent it back if in a restaurant, or punched the Maitre-D in Jeremy Clarkson style :D, but it was delicious!
 
RedRobin said:
....My butcher knows that I always like my meat, especially sirloin, with plenty of fat. Furthermore, a good butcher knows that fat gives taste and helps the cooking even if it is only a few minutes each side of a steak. I had a rib end cut of rib-eye steak open chargrilled at home last night - Looked very tatty and most somewhat ignorant meat eaters would have sent it back if in a restaurant, or punched the Maitre-D in Jeremy Clarkson style :D, but it was delicious!
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Lol yes many do like it like that. I think it is a cultural thing, I can't stand the fatty parts and definitely won't pay for the weight. It's good thing there is choice for is all. I'll have the fillet or chateau briand please :)
 
dejongj said:
It's good thing there is choice for is all. I'll have the fillet or chateau briand please :)
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Bloody french cooking, they tried to sell me a raw steak once and told me it was Russian. I wouldn't mind but it wasnt even a steak but a blood beef burger, what'd they take me for, a fool.
 
Oh yes Filet American. Now you are talking. With a nice raw quails egg on top. Yum yum yum.

Or steak tartare with a sliced soft boiled egg and some raw onions and mayonnaise. Hmmm I'm getting hungry now.

As long as there is no fat on it I'm in.
 
dejongj said:
Oh yes Filet American. Now you are talking. With a nice raw quails egg on top. Yum yum yum.

Or steak tartare with a sliced soft boiled egg and some raw onions and mayonnaise. Hmmm I'm getting hungry now.

As long as there is no fat on it I'm in.
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Raw meat. .....each to their own but the mere thought makes me nauseous. :lol:
 
Lol yes if you aren't used to it, it had that affect. My wife is an English rose from Kent and she won't come near me if I've eaten that kind of stuff for a long time.

Proper food for men :) I can understand why Jeremy wanted a good meal.
 
dejongj said:
Lol yes if you aren't used to it, it had that affect. My wife is an English rose from Kent and she won't come near me if I've eaten that kind of stuff for a long time.

Proper food for men :) I can understand why Jeremy wanted a good meal.
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Mrs Dejongi is a smart lady :-) ;)
 
boyfalldown said:
That statement kinds very contradictory to me :) (sorry JP)
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Roflmao :) just wait until you meet me and get me. I'm really a nice guy with a huge ... ;)
 
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How do you think the BBC should of handled it then Phil ?
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Well someone at the BBC f***ed up with the Saville quote - however.

Look at the responses throughout this thread, there's a very vocal minority, driven by a media campaign that will use any excuse to have a go at the Beeb. There is no right answer, they couldn't have handled it 'well' because it's not really a level playing field, the BBC are there to be attacked, if they'd brushed it under the carpet they'd have been complicit in bullying, if they'd instantly dismissed him it'd be evidence that they 'hate him'.

But the whole 'victim'* [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] JC is playing is ridiculous. He's blaming the BBC for killing Top Gear, when he's been pushing his luck for years, I'm a fan of the show, and JC amuses me (whilst I also find some of his views disgusting) but his entire 'persona' is one of a naughty toddler pushing the boundaries, how long did he expect he could hover his hand teasingly over the self-destruct button before the inevitable happened? (rhetorical question)

Jeremy Clarkson is not some maverick 'outsider' here, he couldn't be better connected or more influential, he's a 'mate' of the prime minister, was a guest at the wedding of Rebekah Brooks (where Rupert Murdoch was 'guest of honour'), this is a bloke at the very centre of the establishment, pretending to be 'ordinary', it'd be hilarious if so many people didn't fall for it. The fact that people fall for it is IMHO quite scary.
 
dejongj said:
You remembered correctly, I did say that. The situation is different though. In my hypothetical situation, another corpulent Yorkshireman, a stranger suggested to punch me in a pub merely for suggesting he hadn't lived in context of calling all businesses corrupt horrible places or something to that ilk..
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It's called selective memory syndrome - no worries it's perfectly natural. Will you stop with the digs now, they're copping up all over the place with no name check. It's childish.:)
 
OK, Clarkson and May @Phil V and @dejongj We get it, you are never going to see eye to eye politically, but no need for the rest of the TP membership to trip into the yawning chasm between you, so can you both give it a rest now please.
 
boyfalldown said:
I have no doubt, and if you're at the mega meet I'm looking forward to it............Just keep your huge :rolleyes: to yourself
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You may well have met him last year Hugh, he was the guy with the huge .... Black ...
Lab :D
(actually it really wasn't huge ;) )
 
Cobra said:
You may well have met him last year Hugh, he was the guy with the huge .... Black ...
Lab :D
(actually it really wasn't huge ;) )
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For a Lab he is pretty tall but very slim as well. So yes not really huge.
 
Yv said:
OK, Clarkson and May @Phil V and @dejongj We get it, you are never going to see eye to eye politically, but no need for the rest of the TP membership to trip into the yawning chasm between you, so can you both give it a rest now please.
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My apologies. However it wasn't a dig. I responded to direct question relevant to this thread. It was questioned why I changed my tune as in reporting one incident of a proposed punch in a theoretical situation compared to an alleged punch that didn't turn out a punch.

I was merely explaining in the context of this thread and the discussion why I see the situation as different. This was further qualified by providing the context around experience in male dominated environments.

I can assure you that there was nothing malicious or dig towards anyone involved. It didn't enter my mind and it is not how I am nor operate.
 
Cobra said:
You may well have met him last year Hugh, he was the guy with the huge .... Black ...
Lab :D
(actually it really wasn't huge ;) )
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I managed to miss JP and the hound of the baskervilles last time unfortunately
 
dejongj said:
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I can assure you that there was nothing malicious or dig towards anyone involved. It didn't enter my mind and it is not how I am nor operate.
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dejongj said:
Wcmut: watching a rerun of top gear on Dave this morning whilst enjoying my bagel. There was this corpulent, argumentative, inconsistent, fist wielding Yorkshireman in a star in a reasonable car. It made me smile and reminded me of someone.
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dejongj said:
You remembered correctly, I did say that. The situation is different though. In my hypothetical situation, another corpulent Yorkshireman, a stranger suggested to punch me in a pub merely for suggesting he hadn't lived in context of calling all businesses corrupt horrible places or something to that ilk.

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I'm adding nothing;)
 
Yes so you can quote. As I said it wasn't a dig.

The irony of you suggesting it is considering you've got a whole thread on this topic is amazing. As per the mods request last week to both of us I've stayed away. Yet you just can't help yourself.

We can quote lots of stuff back and I've refrained a lot of times of doing so. Even when you selectively quote and don't show the whole conversation.

But please let it go, my original comment was exactly that about you accusing all business of being bad. There after you've made it some weird crusade against me.

If you don't like me responding then just ignore it. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I like, sometimes I disagree. That is why it is a discussion. No need to threaten with violence or make things personal.
 
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