Clarkson suspended by the BBC, TG taken off air.

What IS headlines news is that at least half a million people think that workplace violence should be ignored if the alleged perpetrator is funny or well paid.
 
A heated disagreement between two blokes is usually over as quickly as it flares up, usually over a pint or coffee. Women seem to brood over these things for ages though.
Strange it took 5 days to be reported and not by the producer apparently.
Add to that the constant leaks of out takes, behind the scenes news and stiring (remember the allegation he was having an affair that was never proven).
Yes he's outspoken, yes he makes mistakes, but nothing like what's claimed. Theres certainly someone out to get him in the BBC.
 
Sounds like a storm in a teacup. Let him get on with his job and making decent TV for us to watch as it is one of the few shows the licence fee is worth paying for.
 
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Llamaman said:
What IS headlines news is that at least half a million people think that workplace violence should be ignored if the alleged perpetrator is funny or well paid.
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Well that's if we know the exact circumstances, which we don't.

And its not news compared with other serious things in the world.
 
Byker28i said:
A heated disagreement between two blokes is usually over as quickly as it flares up, usually over a pint or coffee. Women seem to brood over these things for ages though.
Strange it took 5 days to be reported and not by the producer apparently.
Add to that the constant leaks of out takes, behind the scenes news and stiring (remember the allegation he was having an affair that was never proven).
Yes he's outspoken, yes he makes mistakes, but nothing like what's claimed. Theres certainly someone out to get him in the BBC.
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Which is ironic as I'm guessing the BBC want him to be edgy and "out there" to help boost viewing figures.

They can't have it both ways, which is why I like a lot of people now am smelling a rat........ ;)
 
BBC 3 still showing old episodes last night. It was the one with May flying a baloon caravan and Clarkson complaining about 20 miles of 50mph roadworks to protect the workers with noone there. He said he'd like to punch the person responsible for causing so many people delays.

Great scheduling :D
 
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Well that's if we know the exact circumstances, which we don't.
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Exactly. Very few people know exactly what happended. A serious accusation has been made, but over 500,000 people are demanded the BBC sweep it under the carpet because they like the show. It says a lot about people's sense of entitlement, and the absurb cap-doffing that celebrities seem to evoke.
 
srichards said:
This article in the torygraph seems to be a summary of what actually happened:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...-Gear-producer-because-he-wanted-a-steak.html

Any decent producer would have just told clarkson to stop being a bell end and eat his cold meats and cheese as he delayed the helicopter by sitting in a pub!
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Maybe the Producer DID say that and that's why this happened. Disappointing that he got his own way in the end - he should have sent to bed with no dinner like you'd treat any other child behaving this way.
If this is true (and let's be honest, newspaper reports are often more re-imaginings of events rather than gospel truth) it's absolutely appalling behaviour. Seriously, just order a pizza.
 
To be fair, if I'd have worked until 10PM and couldn't get a decent hot meal, I'd get extremely "hangry" too...... cold meats just wouldn't cut the mustard.

The other thing to consider (based on the new information which may/may not be 100% correct) is that there's been no mention of any other events that day i.e. he may have been up since silly o'clock with very little to eat due to a hectic filming schedule with the promise of a decent meal at the end of it.

Not too proud to admit it but my usual easy-going demeanour can go rapidly downhill if I get uber hungry, add tiredness to that and I can safely say there have been times where I've said and done things I wouldn't normally do.

Allegedly he kept the helicopter waiting as he was sitting in the pub but there may have been reasons for this, reasons that are yet to be divulged.
 
The media are blowing it all out of proportion because it sells copy.
The producer didnt report the incident, someone else did almost a week afterwards.
 
Ah theres the rub. It wasn't the producer but we're not being told who. Possibly it wasn't but the BBC is full of good stories and that one would do the rounds. Perhaps the management heard third/fourth hand...

It's also a punch wasn't thrown and connected, sounds more like a heated argument and push. Apparently handbags have been mentioned...

but as a story gets repeated, so it gets embellished
 
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Someone with an axe to grind I'd think. It seems to be normal that people not involved with any incident then go and report it. If the producer himself had reported it I'd have thought it was more serious.
 
How do we know it wasn't the producer an associate of his? I haven't seen anything that has said either way where the original story has come from.

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I'm not disagreeing, just haven't been reading the papers to find out what has been said.
 
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Llamaman said:
Exactly. Very few people know exactly what happended. A serious accusation has been made, but over 500,000 people are demanded the BBC sweep it under the carpet because they like the show. It says a lot about people's sense of entitlement, and the absurb cap-doffing that celebrities seem to evoke.
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Thats not quite what they are saying though is it?

What they are saying is that they don't think Clarkson should be suspended or sacked, thats not the same thing as demanding the Beeb sweep it under any carpet.
There's a range of punishments available, if Clarkson is guilty, sacking isn't or doesn't have to be a given, and public support for a lessor punishment does not mean they support what he may have done.

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Also if what Byker says is correct, and the 'victim' in this doesn't want to know then there is no 'offence' to sack for.
 
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Bernie174 said:
What they are saying is that they don't think Clarkson should be suspended or sacked, thats not the same thing as demanding the Beeb sweep it under any carpet.
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It's pretty darn close. "We will take it extremely seriously by doing nothing except giving him another stern telling off."

It is pretty standard for any workplace to suspend an employee in circumstances like these. Allowing him to carry on as if nothing had happened sends compeltely the wrong message about how colleagues are supposed to behave towards each other. Imagine that he has hit the producer - is it fair that Oisin should have to go to work with the guy who punched him last week?
 
All BBC employees have been warned about speaking about this.
There's been no pictures of blooded noses, or black eyes. If so, I doubt steak was used to help mend facial damage :D
 
Llamaman said:
It's pretty darn close. "We will take it extremely seriously by doing nothing except giving him another stern telling off."

It is pretty standard for any workplace to suspend an employee in circumstances like these. Allowing him to carry on as if nothing had happened sends compeltely the wrong message about how colleagues are supposed to behave towards each other. Imagine that he has hit the producer - is it fair that Oisin should have to go to work with the guy who punched him last week?
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You do know they carried on filming for another 3 days after the incident...
Now if the producer had been upset or aggrieved, he wouldn't have gone into work, reported it then?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-bbc-bosses-5317425
 
Bernie174 said:
Also if what Byker says is correct, and the 'victim' in this doesn't want to know then there is no 'offence' to sack for.
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I couldn't diagree more. There are many reasons why someone may not wish to report it, but let's consider two extreme examples;

1. It's all a big fuss about nothing. There were some heated words and everyone is fine about it, except some busybody with an axe to grind.
2. The producer is intimidated by Clarkson's influence within the show and feels making a complaint that might get the show's 'talent' sacked (and maybe the show canceled) would be career suicide.

Just because the victim might not want to make a formal complaint doesn't mean there is no offense and certainly doesn't mean management should turn a blind eye. Bullies often get away with their behaviour because no-one ever stands up to them or calls them to account.
We don't know whether that's the case here, but if it's not investigated we'll never know.
 
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Byker28i said:
All BBC employees have been warned about speaking about this.
There's been no pictures of blooded noses, or black eyes. If so, I doubt steak was used to help mend facial damage :D
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The reports today are backtracking a little as well.

The new "eyewitness" reports now say:

The producer was being blamed. Clarkson didn't hit him — but he did use every possible swear word you can imagine. He had to be held back."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...-Gear-producer-because-he-wanted-a-steak.html

So gone from a punch to naughty words...
 
Is there a public poll to vote to sack GC

would get my vote
 
Llamaman said:
Imagine that he has hit the producer - is it fair that Oisin should have to go to work with the guy who punched him last week?
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I'd rather not deal with imagination, the facts are a better way.

Llamaman said:
It is pretty standard for any workplace to suspend an employee in circumstances like these. Allowing him to carry on as if nothing had happened sends compeltely the wrong message about how colleagues are supposed to behave towards each other.
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No, if its that clear cut its automatically gross misconduct and instant dismissal. The fact it hasn't gone that way way means it isn't as clear cut. If it's not then suspending someone is equally wrong as no matter what is said it is tantamount to passing a guilty judgment which is the other way of looking at your last sentence.

Llamaman said:
It's pretty darn close. "We will take it extremely seriously by doing nothing except giving him another stern telling off."
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Its a different 'offence' from those he's previously been accused of. And lets be honest here, in most of those the perception is on very shaky ground. So this should be treated entirely separately.

Given that, there's a range of punishments, and all of the circumstances must be taken into account before dismissing someone, including his ability to do his job, and the impact it would have on others, expressing support and calling for a lessor punishment is quite reasonable. No different from say a shop keepers customers appearing in Court and saying that while he may have been found guilty of theft, he is basically honest and should keep his freedom and his job.
 
A person can be placed on suspension, or even their employment terminated, without notice, if their behaviour constitutes Gross Misconduct.
A victim of assault, bullying, abuse etc. does not have to have made a formal complaint for this to happen if the behaviour has been witnessed by others and reported accordingly.
If procedures are followed correctly, an ET would struggle to overturn the decision.
What constitutes “Gross Misconduct”, varies, of course, from company to company, but will generally be documented somewhere in the bowels of an employment contract.
A punch on the snout would generally fall into the realms of GM though.
 
That producer has worked with Clarkson for a decade. Have there been lots of people leaving the TG production team which would indicate the working environment is an issue? If not then it's just a load of hot air about nothing reported by someone that wants to stir up trouble at contract renewal time.
 
BillN_33 said:
Is there a public poll to vote to sack GC

would get my vote
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Surely that's no better than demanding his exoneration? Wouldn't it be better to wait until the facts are known?
 
It seems alot of fuss is being about the fact he kicked off there wasn't any dinner on arrival to the hotel - I can totally sympathise with him, when you've done a really long day (and I mean a REALLY long day) at work, it doesn't matter what time it is you do want a proper hot meal and not just a sandwich or some buffet. Admittedly I wouldn't have kicked off quite so badly!

And I say this with 15 years experience of working in the entertainment industry too.
 
Llamaman said:
Surely that's no better than demanding his exoneration? Wouldn't it be better to wait until the facts are known?
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It is not about this affair at all - IMHO he needs to go as TG has deteriorated considerable in the past year or two under TG's influence

I can never watch more than a few minutes these days as it's a comedy with three "grown up children" laughing at each other comments/actions

As a License Fee payer I would rather not see them on BBC
 
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Llamaman said:
You have a very naive view about how victims respond to bullying. I hope you're not an employer or a teacher.
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Trust me - I have very good experience of bullying in the workplace, which I will not go into.
 
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DorsetDude said:
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lol, only joking bud. ;)
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Haha, my point was more really it's not always like any other job, sometimes (and I am not saying this is right either) you have to keep going til the job is done - result is you're bloody starving as you've not had any dinner and get a bit tipsy two glasses of wine like I did on Monday night! Haha.

And I'll let you off as you're from Bournemouth ;-)
 
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