Clarkson suspended by the BBC, TG taken off air.

I guess it is because he is Irish.
In doing this I think he pretty much ensures that the BBC can't fire him. However it will also be unlikely that any other production company will employ him. Generally in the World of TV and Film, people are expected to put up withh all kinds of s*** that would not be allowed in other industries.
 
viv1969 said:
I've taken prime free for a month just so I can see if Bosch is any good.
Love the books.
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Did you enjoy the series, how'd they compare to the books?
 
jakeblu said:
Did you enjoy the series, how'd they compare to the books?
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I didn't take to it to be honest.
I liked Welliver as Bosch well enough, but for me it didn't transfer from page to screen as successfully as I'd have liked :(
 
What do we expect from a bunch of cosseted precious egocentric luvvies?

IMO they should all be locked in a room with their hand bags and forgotten about.
 
Wasn't it reported that part of Clarkson's tantrum included calling his producer a "lazy Irish c***"?
 
Cobra said:
White man with white sounding name, takes swing at man without white sounding name, that has to be enough surely? ;)


Running low on funds? need to fund a holiday?
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Lol.
Non English sounding I'll give you :lol:
But having a pop at someone's nationality isn't racist per se ;)
 
ecoleman said:
About as much as the fact he's Irish. So what does has his country of birth have to do with it?
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Really should stop digging

You made a statement that he could not make a claim of racism because he was white which is a load of old tosh

If during the assault, as has been alleged, Clarkson made reference to Tymon's race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin then it would make it a racialy aggravated assault
 
Keith W said:
Really should stop digging

You made a statement that he could not make a claim of racism because he was white which is a load of old tosh

If during the assault, as has been alleged, Clarkson made reference to Tymon's race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin then it would make it a racialy aggravated assault
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And this is why racism is such a big issue. People like you that make is so.
 
Keith W said:
Really should stop digging

You made a statement that he could not make a claim of racism because he was white which is a load of old tosh

If during the assault, as has been alleged, Clarkson made reference to Tymon's race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin then it would make it a racialy aggravated assault
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I doubt he was assaulted because he was Irish, so don't see how it could be racial.

What about all those people who called Americans dumb and stupid in the gun thread, isn't that a bit racist?
 
cambsno said:
I doubt he was assaulted because he was Irish, so don't see how it could be racial.

What about all those people who called Americans dumb and stupid in the gun thread, isn't that a bit racist?
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I don't think he was assaulted because he was Irish either however if Clarkson made comments that could been deemed racist as he assaulted him then that would make it a racially aggravated assault

I am not looking for a big debate on racism, I don't make the laws or enforce them

I was simply picking up on what I personally thought was a silly comment to make by another member
 
Racism is generally ethnicity related. The fact that somebody calls you a name should NEVER be deemed racist. Who says the fact he was called a lazy Irish c*** is racist. It may be the truth. He may be lazy, he is Irish and he may be a c***.

Would it still be racist if Jeremy was Irish or had Irish ancestors?
 
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In which case, the fact he is lazy and a c*** would be relevant.

The fact he is Irish is completely irrelevant.

And that's the difference.
 
Maybe so, but the fact Irish was used should not be classed as racism. As I said before, this is why racism is such a big problem. The term is thrown around far to loosely. Just like paedophile.
 
ecoleman said:
Racism is generally ethnicity related. The fact that somebody calls you a name should NEVER be deemed racist. Who says the fact he was called a lazy Irish c*** is racist. It may be the truth. He may be lazy, he is Irish and he may be a c***.
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The law says it is racist, @Keith W has actually given you a bit of the definition in his post, if Clarkson referenced Irish when he shouted at him it will be considered as racist.

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended)
This Act came into force on 30 September 1998 and created a number of specific offences of racially aggravated crime, based on offences of wounding, assault, damage, harassment and threatening/abusive behaviour. Monitoring had indicated that these types of crime were those most commonly experienced by victims of racial violence or harassment.

The Act was amended by the Anti-terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001, which came into effect on 14 December 2001. It extended the scope of the Crime and Disorder Act by creating new specific religiously aggravated offences and applying the same sentencing duty to all other offences where there is evidence of religious aggravation.

The Act was amended further by the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which came into effect on 25 November 2012. It created new specific offences of stalking and it also created racially and religiously aggravated versions of these offences.

The legislation provides definitions of racial groups and religious groups in the following terms:

"A racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins." The definition is wide and victims may come within the definition under more than one of the references. Gypsies and some travellers, refugees or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities would be included within this definition
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http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/
 
ecoleman said:
Maybe so, but the fact Irish was used should not be classed as racism. As I said before, this is why racism is such a big problem. The term is thrown around far to loosely. Just like paedophile.
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You might have a point that the 'racist' card is overused. But you'd be an idiot to try to pretend Clarkson isn't a racist and the word he allegedly used, which I don't, but it rhymes with punt.
 
yes but is calling someone an irish c*** a racist epiphet if they are indeed irish - it is simply descriptive .. its not like using a blantantly racist term like nigger - or for that matter 'bog trotting paddy'

tbh Clarkson will probably settle - unless its just more 'no such thing as bad publicity' s*** coooked up between them
 
didnt tymon say after the incident " I still consider jeremy a friend and don't bear him any ill will " or words to that effect - its generally not usual to sue your friends is it ?
 
I don't even think it'll get so far as settling.
 
viv1969 said:
I don't even think it'll get so far as settling.
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Clarkson might buy him a (hot) steak dinner for getting his name back in the news shortly before his new not-even-on-proper-TV show starts...
 
The Irish Top Gear producer punched by Jeremy Clarkson is suing the presenter and the BBC for racial discrimination
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How can he sue Clarkson for discrimination, did he check all the production team for an Irishman then punch him ?

If it was anything it should be assault/abuse & a Police matter ...
 
This is clearly an inappropriate use of the law.
But perhaps he is being sidelined by the BBC after his apparent lack of ability to control the "Talent" in his charge, as it has cost the BBC dear.
So he is throwing a "paddy"
 
I love how its everybody's fault but Clarkson.

A hearing would be useful, finally we could learn exactly what happened that day.
 
Another misuse of the racist card to gain ££££'s :punch:
 
If you want to avoid being accused of racism, don't mention someones nationality when assaulting them.

It's not difficult.
 
ZoneV said:
A grown man attacked someone after a few pints during an argument over some food. The "pathetic" horse bolted a long time ago. :)
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Pretty much what happens in every city & town on a Saturday night.
Difference is, most folk aren't self styled `celebrities` & don't try the racist card. Pathetic!. ;)
 
Like I said, it's easy to avoid being accused of racism without playing the banter card.
 
mrgubby said:
How can he sue Clarkson for discrimination, did he check all the production team for an Irishman then punch him ?

If it was anything it should be assault/abuse & a Police matter ...
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And it was.
The police asked if the victim wished and criminal charges to be brought and he declined.
That IMO should mean civil charges can't be pursued, but sadly it doesn't.
I believe I and others said at the time that the little money grubber would take this route down the line, and voila.
 
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