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Hi everyone,

I wouldn't mind a little advice please.

I just sold my Canon 60D to upgrade to full frame, I'm not committed to Canon and was looking at a couple of bodies 2nd hand, in particular a Canon 6D, Nikon D800/e or A Canon 5D MKIII. The only lens I currently own is a Canon 50mm 1.4 USM. The bodies are roughly the price range I would like to spend leaving me with enough for a couple of lenses. The photography I like to do is mainly for my fishing, so portraits of myself holding a fish (I'll upload a photo of me for an example) The reason why I want to upgrade is I'd quite like to do some night photography too of the milkyway etc, the video side of things doesn't worry me too much.

Out of those 3 choices would anyone recommend one over the other for what I want? Weather sealing and a good build quality are also important to me but mainly picture quality as I like to send the files off as Tiffs to WhitWall and have them printed either on metal or HD under acrylic.

Many thanks for any help. I apologise for this lengthy post but wanted to give a background to my needs.

Kind regards
Adrian
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So, basically and in a nut shell, you want / need flexibility,
toughness, performance, proper resolution and high DR.
The equation is not difficult to resolve as in, my experience,
your desired options and features would suggest the D800E.

Though don't own it anymore, the performance is second to
none… but the Mickey Mouse batteries; where a grip fed with
Enveloop Pro batteries definitely solved this weakness.
 
Kodiak Qc said:
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So, basically and in a nut shell, you want / need flexibility,
toughness, performance, proper resolution and high DR.
The equation is not difficult to resolve as in, my experience,
your desired options and features would suggest the D800E.

Though don't own it anymore, the performance is second to
none… but the Mickey Mouse batteries; where a grip fed with
Enveloop Pro batteries definitely solved this weakness.
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Many thanks Kodiak, I was secretly hoping that someone would say that body, and you were spot on in 'a nut shell' sorry that I was long winded in my question but yes that's exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you for your reply again.
 
I have the Nikon D800 version the "E" hadn't been built at that time. As a long time Nikon owner that is what I would recommend but the 810 instead. From what I have read it had a better shaped body grip than previous D800 version and more fps etc. Of course the D800 range does give you 36 mp and it does make a difference at least from my D300 which I still have. . I don't think you will be sorry for going for a Nikon with a low shutter count, but that goes for any second hand camera

Can't speak for or against canon cameras as never owned or used one..
 
Since your reason for wanting FF is better high-ISO and handling shadows/under exposure I think it has to be the Nikon. Just be aware that the 800 is a big 'ol lump.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Since your reason for wanting FF is better high-ISO and handling shadows/under exposure I think it has to be the Nikon. Just be aware that the 800 is a big 'ol lump.
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Being a heavyish camera I find does stop camera shake when hand held. Slap on a Nikon battery pack and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 mm mk11 lens and you know you have something in your hand, approx 7lb having just weighed it.
 
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Having used both Nikon and Canon FX DSLRs I'd agree with the Nikon choice.

I have the Canon 6D now and while it does all I need for me, the Nikon's DR is superior to the Canon's.

But I wouldn't discount the D750.

I owned one and even if you underexposed by 4 or 5 stops you could pull the detail back with next to no colour noise in the shadows.

The only thing I didn't like about it was the bloody awful buffer capacity.

Whatever you decide I'm sure you'll enjoy full frame.

Best of luck.

Terry.
 
Any reason you're not considering the D750? It has better noise handling and DR than both Canons, comparable to the D800e but smaller and lighter, and smaller file sizes too which helps when editing.
 
ralphhardwick said:
Not wising to upset the applecart, but have you considered the Pentax K-1? Full frame, weather sealed and built in astro tracer for night sky photography.
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This.

Flippy screen, astrotracer, weather sealing, fantastic build quality, everything you've asked for!
 
The milkyway and what else at night ? If it does not move use a tripod and never leave ISO 100. If it moves wait till the morning lol.
 
Is fullframe really needed for astro? From what Ive seen apsc like e.g the Sony A6000 is doing quite well + its a very compact camera not taking up much space when going fishing.
 
I'd be the first to recommend full frame but the best camera/lens for the night sky is an astrotrac!

I was also blown away with how clean the 7d2 was for Astro images.
 
If you are wanting a camera that consistently produces good looking photos and also want to do some night photography of the milky way, etc. then I'd have a very good think about the Canon 6D. It's should produce the goods easily if selfie-style fish-holding photos are what you want, it's also quite small and light for a full-frame camera, which might be a consideration for you when lugging your kit around to different waters, plus it's what this chap used for the night-sky photos that brought him acclaim in the daily papers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ated-Milky-Ways-colourful-constellations.html Hope this is useful.
 
Mr Badger said:
If you are wanting a camera that consistently produces good looking photos and also want to do some night photography of the milky way, etc. then I'd have a very good think about the Canon 6D. It's should produce the goods easily if selfie-style fish-holding photos are what you want, it's also quite small and light for a full-frame camera, which might be a consideration for you when lugging your kit around to different waters, plus it's what this chap used for the night-sky photos that brought him acclaim in the daily papers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ated-Milky-Ways-colourful-constellations.html Hope this is useful.
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But again, if you're not tied to a brand I would question why anyone would choose the 6D over the D750? The D750 has a much better sensor (important for a number of things, including astro), has a better AF system, and has a very useful tilt screen.

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Those shots are fantastic by the way.:)
 
snerkler said:
But again, if you're not tied to a brand I would question why anyone would choose the 6D over the D750? The D750 has a much better sensor (important for a number of things, including astro), has a better AF system, and has a very useful tilt screen.

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I've got to agree, I've said it before, if starting from scratch the D750 is the best bang for buck camera available.

And I have 2 6d's ;)
 
snerkler said:
But again, if you're not tied to a brand I would question why anyone would choose the 6D over the D750? The D750 has a much better sensor (important for a number of things, including astro), has a better AF system, and has a very useful tilt screen.

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Because the ISO button on the 750 is in the worst place ever, I had three Nikons with the ISO button there and it sucked, never again.
 
Iso button??? Thats the least used feature on my camera. If it was mode, shutterspeed, apperture or maybe even whitebalance id see a problem though ok YMMW. :)
Funny thing is ive seen postulated that e.g sony apsc does better than canon fullframe. I havnt tried canon, for the time being im not worried about lowlight performance etc but such comments puzle me.
Edit. I think that was about dynamic range.
 
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GTG said:
Because the ISO button on the 750 is in the worst place ever, I had three Nikons with the ISO button there and it sucked, never again.
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That's why you can assign the ISO button to the record button so you have ISO at your fingertips, right next to the shutter, metering button and Exp comp.
 
GTG said:
The milkyway and what else at night ? If it does not move use a tripod and never leave ISO 100. If it moves wait till the morning lol.
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The Milky Way and stars do move! I rarely shoot below ISO 640 when shooting the MW, sometimes higher to get better definition. You need to increase sensitivity to a) get better definition and b) reduce star trails, so you need to get that definition in before you hit 20 secs to be safe, so ISO 100 is well out of the window, and this is with fast wide primes :)
 
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soeren said:
Iso button??? Thats the least used feature on my camera. If it was mode, shutterspeed, apperture or maybe even whitebalance id see a problem though ok YMMW. :)
Funny thing is ive seen postulated that e.g sony apsc does better than canon fullframe. I havnt tried canon, for the time being im not worried about lowlight performance etc but such comments puzle me.
Edit. I think that was about dynamic range.
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I've heard that but its not true in reality. I've even seen on DXO that my Sony RX100 has better DR than my 6d. This simply isn't the case (though the RX100 is incredible for a 1" sensor!), and the shadow recovery on the 6d is obviously miles ahead. This is why I don't trust places like DXO etc where none of it is actual real world shooting but geeks in lab coats throwing electric current at circuits!
 
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snerkler said:
That's why you can assign the ISO button to the record button so you have ISO at your fingertips, right next to the shutter, metering button and Exp comp.
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I didn't want to know that, now I have to buy one some day, thanks
 
odd jim said:
The Milky Way and stars do move! I rarely shoot below ISO 640 when shooting the MW, sometimes higher to get better definition. You need to increase sensitivity to a) get better definition and b) reduce star trails, so you need to get that definition in before you hit 20 secs to be safe, so ISO 100 is well out of the window, and this is with fast wide primes :)
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Exactly why the K-1 was recommended, the astrotracer allows minutes of exposure depending on focal length without star trails, gives you more flexibility.

GTG said:
Because the ISO button on the 750 is in the worst place ever, I had three Nikons with the ISO button there and it sucked, never again.
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On the K-1, you have 3x control wheels and any of them can be assigned to ISO on any wheel in any shooting mode or when shooting manual, aperture, shutter speed and ISO can all have a wheel, who needs a button!?

:)
 
Unlocker said:
Exactly why the K-1 was recommended, the astrotracer allows minutes of exposure depending on focal length without star trails, gives you more flexibility.
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With that feature its got to be the go to choice for astro photographers! (though the lens compatibility is confusing!)
 
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odd jim said:
...........though the lens compatibility is confusing!
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Not really, any Pentax K mount will fit, 'F' are full frame, 'D' are crop and will cause vignetting unless you set the camera accordingly. 'FA' or 'DA' are auto aperture others are manual.

Sigma, Tamron and Samyang all produce lenses with the K mount.

No more confusing than CaNikon.
 
ralphhardwick said:
Not really, any Pentax K mount will fit, 'F' are full frame, 'D' are crop and will cause vignetting unless you set the camera accordingly. 'FA' or 'DA' are auto aperture others are manual.

Sigma, Tamron and Samyang all produce lenses with the K mount.

No more confusing than CaNikon.
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Not from what I'm seeing? There's K mount DA, DA L, D FA, FA, FA J, then F, A, L, then K, all of which you could use on the K1... Some of which will AF and auto expose, some which will not AF but will auto expose and some which will AF then not auto expose? Then there are 4 Pentax K mounts. Though you'd get used to it, Id say its more complex than Canon's EF or EF-S system :)
 
snerkler said:
That's why you can assign the ISO button to the record button so you have ISO at your fingertips, right next to the shutter, metering button and Exp comp.
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Yep - exactly this. Ruling out a D750 because of where the ISO button is just seems a little wrong!

6D MkII is out in a few weeks!
 
+1 Pentax K1 - Love mine for all the points above.

Pentax has the holy trinity of lenses covered, and its back catalogue of vintage lenses is vast, so there is always an option, however! there is a drawback. Recent lens releases from Sigma and Tamron are not available in Pentax K mount. There is also no converters that support using Nikkon/Canon lenses on the K mount, so this and a limited 3rd party support from the established marquees for me this is the biggest drawback at the present time. Pentax is also a little slow in releasing new lenses, there is a Roadmap for 2017 with 3/4 new lenses lined up with support for FF, we are now in July (obviously) and still no news on their development.

Regards
Geoff
 
Kodiak Qc said:
Though don't own it anymore, the performance is second to
none… but the Mickey Mouse batteries; where a grip fed with
Enveloop Pro batteries definitely solved this weakness.
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Really? Shots per charge or something else? I have the D800 (not E) and the battery performance is no problem at all. I don't think I've ever had to swap out a battery that started out as fully charged on the day - it should easily do many hundreds of shots, unless perhaps you use live view a lot. This is in sharp contrast to my Fuji X100T, where I can easily find myself wondering how long the 3rd battery of the day will last...
 
i have the d750 and cannot reccomend it high enough its fantastic you wont be disappointed
 
Retune said:
Really? Shots per charge or something else?
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The D800E —same as the D800 but with a filter difference˛
was the first ever purchase I made that was not a single di-
git and I regretted it from the first shoot because of the poor
batteries.

Mind you, of the many discussions I had with other owners,
It was 50/50. Some were so happy they never bothered buy-
ing the grip… I was glad I did as it solved the power problem
and it fitted then better in my huge paws!

I sold it (but kept the grip) and got two D810's and another grip.
 
holty said:
i have the d750 and cannot reccomend it high enough
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I suggested many of my students that very D750.
The screen is a cool feature but the body is too
small for my paws!
 
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