Children in pictures- your views

jamesoliverstone said:
And lets face it, if your that paranoid about people seeing / watching your children, what are you going to do, take them everywhere in public covered in a black sheet? seriously....
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Michael Jackson did!

Seriously though, if perverts got off on images of clothed kids, would they just not get the next catalogue?

I would always ask before posting photos of other peoples kids, an example of this being a shoot I had recently where the child was adopted and the parents didnt want anything posted as there was still issues with the birth mother, totally understandable! I wouldn't try and change the mind of anyone who didn't want it done, but think they are totally overreacting!!

Dave
 
ladysue said:
I would be really interested to find out how people feel about putting children's photos on the internet, including TP.

Up til now I have not put any children's pictures on the internet in case their parents were unhappy about me sharing them.I got some beautiful pictures of my grandchildren and other kids at my son's wedding this week but havent put them on until I get their parents permission.

When I spoke to my daughter in law about it she wasnt keen on me putting the grandchildrens photos on the web at all, even TP ( I could understand if it was Facebook). I totally repect her right to choose or I wouldnt have asked her but feel it is a shame that I wouldnt be able to share some of my best pics on here.

Are there other photographers on here who dont share their childrens photos online? Do professional togs put childrens photos on here or on their own websites without parents permission? I would be interested to hear peoples opinions.
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A lot of discussion on here about people saying parents do not want pictures upo for fear of child molesters etc but is that the reason your daughter in law had? I've no children, but I imagine many people simply don't want pictures up for privacy reasons, maybe they are worried about people being rude about their child's looks etc as can happen when people critique photos, maybe they could be used for bullying, put on ugly.com etc. I don't know but I imagine the fear of molesters is not the only reason, and could possibly not be the main reason, there must be other reasons.

I don't agree with the logic of not taking your children to the shops if you don't want pictures up on the net. As we know nowdays when something is up on the net, it seems to stay there forever and you lose control over it, a trip to the shop is just not the same thing IMOH.

I agree pictures of children can be some of the most refrshing due to the energy and expressions that can be captured but ultimately if parents don't want to have the pictures up fair enough. Best thing to do is find out why, and if you think they are wrong explain why.
 
A little off-topic maybe.............but I wonder how many parents etc that don't want photographs of their children to be made public "just in case" some paedophile sees them, allow their children to chat and exchange information with total strangers on the internet:shrug:
 
It's not just the internet or forums such as TP. I've lost track of the number of TV news items that feature children or schools, but only show film of legs and feet or totally out of focus kids in a playground. Paranoia doesn't begin to describe it. I've got lots of photographs of when I was a kid, but I suspect this generation is going to have very little to look back on, which is rather sad really.
 
This topic boils my blood... I cant wait for the school to try stopping me from shooting pics of my kids at the school play / sportsday... they have a serious earful and a "get bent" coming from me. They are my kids and I think I have a right as their bloody parent to take pictures whenever I damn well please.
 
akr said:
A lot of discussion on here about people saying parents do not want pictures upo for fear of child molesters etc but is that the reason your daughter in law had? I've no children, but I imagine many people simply don't want pictures up for privacy reasons, maybe they are worried about people being rude about their child's looks etc as can happen when people critique photos, maybe they could be used for bullying, put on ugly.com etc. I don't know but I imagine the fear of molesters is not the only reason, and could possibly not be the main reason, there must be other reasons.

I don't agree with the logic of not taking your children to the shops if you don't want pictures up on the net. As we know nowdays when something is up on the net, it seems to stay there forever and you lose control over it, a trip to the shop is just not the same thing IMOH.

I agree pictures of children can be some of the most refrshing due to the energy and expressions that can be captured but ultimately if parents don't want to have the pictures up fair enough. Best thing to do is find out why, and if you think they are wrong explain why.
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I'm sure its not cause they are worried about criticism of the children. My grandaughter is very beautiful and my grandson is cute. Thats why I would love to share their photos ( OK I know I am biased).

I think what worries them is the thought of a pervert sitting in his house looking at pictures of the children and getting turned on by them. It is a horrible thought even if it is unlikely with pictures of fully clothed kids.Anyway I am not going to get into arguments with them or try to persuade them to let me show the photos. I was in 2 minds as to whether it was a good idea and thats why I sought people's opinions on here.Thanks everyone for your contributions to this thread.
 
I wonder how many people do not want pictures of their kids on the internet solely due to privacy issues and the desire to 'keep out of the public eye', not out of worry about some (fictional) monster under the bed, rather simply a sense of keeping oneself to oneself. Sometimes the rush to exert our freedoms and rights as photographers might just well be cheesing someone (perfectly rational, but media-shy) off.

For the record, I've got no problems posting photos of my daughter on the internet. Actually, when I get a picture of her looking stupid, I can't get it uploaded quickly enough.
 
I have been told not to post any pictures of Jessica on the web (partners wishes), posted on flickr but for family only.
Can see reason in the arguments but becoming a parent removes much of the logic when it comes to protecting your kids.
My wee princess would break too many hearts anyway !
 
ladysue said:
I'm sure its not cause they are worried about criticism of the children. My grandaughter is very beautiful and my grandson is cute. Thats why I would love to share their photos ( OK I know I am biased).

I think what worries them is the thought of a pervert sitting in his house looking at pictures of the children and getting turned on by them. It is a horrible thought even if it is unlikely with pictures of fully clothed kids.Anyway I am not going to get into arguments with them or try to persuade them to let me show the photos. I was in 2 minds as to whether it was a good idea and thats why I sought people's opinions on here.Thanks everyone for your contributions to this thread.
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I was just thinking there may be other reasons people do not want to post pictures up, but seems not in this case so and I am merely speculating.

Anyway, at least you can still enoy taking and sharing the picures with the family so enjoy :)

....and I was not suggesting starting a family row over it either over this :)
 
akr said:
I was just thinking there may be other reasons people do not want to post pictures up, but seems not in this case so and I am merely speculating.

Anyway, at least you can still enoy taking and sharing the picures with the family so enjoy :)

....and I was not suggesting starting a family row over it either over this :)
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Yes I am enjoying sharing them with the family. I think I can put them on my fotopic site and protect them with a password.
 
seventythree said:
i have nothing against people posting photo's of children and i don't think they are being careless in doing so, in fact i have gained a fair few tips on whats good and whats not. to those posters and crits i thank you. Does that make me a hipocrit?

I dont think the internet is awash with perverts and p***'s,and i totally agree that its pretty far fetched to think someone would track down a child via the internet (as i allready stated in my original post), but for me i see no point at all for myself to post any image of my children on the www.

i simply choose to err on the side of caution.

Al
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Obviously, you should do what you want with your own photography, but I need to ask you, what is it that you think could happen to your kids if you did put pictures of them on the net?

How can a normal image of one of your children on the net possibly do them any harm? I just fail to see what it is that you are worried about. :-)
 
seventythree said:
children get abused - fact
children get abducted - fact
Peadophiles exist - fact

no matter how small or large the problem if i post images of my children on the internet then its not too hard to trace my address. Theres probably more chance of winning the lottery, but theres a chance and for that reason i will not post any pictures of my (or anyones) children on the internet.
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I'm glad not all people think like this!

The internet is not full of predatory paedophile's lurking in all the forums.

And I am quite sure they do not target children just because they have seen there picture on a photography forum?

I think people need to protect their children, but not keep them locked away from the world.
What about when they are older, going out with their friends, posting pictures of themselves with their friends on social web sites. Are they any less vulnerable then?

Sure we need to protect them, but lets not jump on the bandwagon!
 
bass_junkie83 said:
The internet is a public place. If you don't wan't you'r kids seen on the net then don't let them out the house and be seen in public either. No difference in my opinion.
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+1

Fast forward 3 years:

In other news, all active sport has been completely banned from schools to prevent injuries. The parents must now report to the police with a weekly summary of their kids diaries and their full diet list. Anybody without a CRB check found chatting with a child could face prosecution and life imprisonment.
 
seventythree said:
no matter how small or large the problem if i post images of my children on the internet then its not too hard to trace my address
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How would you even know where to start tracing someone's address from an anonymous pic posted on the web?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=toddler

There's 11 million images for a start, and that's only for toddlers..

I think it's fairly safe to say that a pic of your children in amongst the millions (billions?) already on the web wouldn't attract too much undesirable attention :)

A.
 
It all depends on how much information goes along with the image, if you really want to trace someone then it is not that hard really.
 
There is so much "genuine" crime in this country at the moment - knife, gun, assaults, drugs, arson, and there are so many problems faced by millions of people due to the recession, that I sometimes wonder if things like this are highlighted, to make us ignore the most important problems facing us.
This actually takes me back to when I was a child, and the odd occasion when I would watch a horror film, never as explicit as they are nowadays - Boris Karloff in "The Mummy's hand" for example. I was very scared watching those films, despite the fact that you never saw anything, and I was scared when I went to bed, but nothing ever happened.
Why have we, the adult population in the UK become afraid? Why are we being told that we must be scared of everything? Why do we need all of these checks? Why do we need ID cards? Why is everyone suspicious of everyone else?
We need to take a step back, and find out when we became a "scared" nation.

Andy
 
seventythree said:
children get abused - fact
children get abducted - fact
Peadophiles exist - fact

no matter how small or large the problem if i post images of my children on the internet then its not too hard to trace my address. Theres probably more chance of winning the lottery, but theres a chance and for that reason i will not post any pictures of my (or anyones) children on the internet.
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If you apply that logic on other aspect of your life you'll either go insane or drop dead next minute

Car crashes - FACT
Planes fall out of the sky - FACT
Mobile phone battery explodes - FACT
Gas pipe bursts - FACT
Earth Quake - FACT
Lightning striking on a house and setting it on fire which causing an explosion in the gas main - FACT
Gems kill - FACT
Your hands has full of gems - FACT

It is also a FACT that all of the above can happen in the next 3 seconds, no matter how small the chances are, it is a lottery.

:lol:
 
LadySue, I tend to share family photo's on the internet from my pbase account, but these generally get password protected and the password mailed around. That's not because of worries, just because I like to keep personal family events private.


As for perverts looking at clothed childrens images, I doubt they'd get very excited by that compared to how many other types of images are around/available for them. You've only got to look at the convictions to hear about how many images and what type/category they were.

If you want some statistics:

The United Kingdom Children's charity NCH have stated that demand for child pornography on the internet has led to an increase in sex abuse cases, due to an increase in the number of children abused in the production process. In a study analyzing men arrested for child pornography possession in the United States over a one year period from 2000 to 2001, most had pornographic images of prepubescent children (83%) and images graphically depicting sexual penetration (80%). Approximately 1 in 5 (21%) had images depicting violence such as bondage, rape, or torture and most of those involved images of children who were gagged, bound, blindfolded, or otherwise enduring sadistic sex. More than 1 in 3 (39%) had child-pornography videos with motion and sound. 79% also had what might be termed softcore images of nude or semi-nude children, but only 1% possessed such images alone. Law enforcement found about half (48%) had more than 100 graphic still images, and 14% had 1,000 or more graphic images. Forty percent (40%) were "dual offenders," who sexually victimized children and possessed child pornography.


I take images of my sons rugby matches and put them on line. Everyone loves them.
 
Personally I'm not a fan of it.

In general, although I like portraits IRL and looking at peoples work.

It gets a grey area on the internet.

I don't have any pics of any of the children in the family on the internet, but then I don't think I have any portraits on the internet either...except maybe me? Not open for anyone to view anyway.

There was a documentry on TV years ago and someone said that people photoshop faces onto images of children being abused and thus start the circle with that set of images once again, but it's now a new child (who incidently hasn't been abused, obviously good that they're not abused but twisted none the less). I've personally come across more than a couple sickos who invent a life for themselves with children (alive or dead) and use other peoples images of their children (often lifted from a blog, parenting forum or similar, where lots of images of the same child is used.) then tell their stories on pregnancy/parenting forums. The way around this was to watermark with your email address, the images.

I personally don't like portraits of people that I have a strong attachment to, on the internet for all to see. I'd never have my portrait on a blog for example. Your own photography business website is different obviously. Personally, I like a little bit of anonymity online.
 
MagicMynx said:
I don't have any pics of any of the children in the family on the internet, but then I don't think I have any portraits on the internet either...except maybe me? Not open for anyone to view anyway.
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Well apart from the picture of you on your redbubble account.linked in your sig... ;) :wave:
 
as has been said before it dosn't bother me putting pic's on here of my kids. and having taken pic's at rugby matches i am not going to ask every parent if it is ok to put the pic's on the internet. but if i was asked to remove them i would.
 
Just spotted a recent What the Duck:

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Lots of sense being talked on this thread.

A belief that restricting a childs digital likeness in some way protects them must require a pretty elaborate train of reasoning that, as far as I can see, is totally unrelated to the real risks to a child's well-being.
 
Byker28i said:
Just spotted a recent What the Duck:

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:lol: Spot on.

It's worth mentioning that there are countries that do not condone, tolerate or nuture fear mongering or scare tactics on a scale similar to the US and UK.

It's possible to turn up to your child's school play, footie match, netball game or ballet recital etc and happily take your pictures or flicks without the chances of anyone questioning your integrity.

Political mechanisms have much more of a role then some would like to accept unfortunately.
 
I hate the idea that this is caused by that mysterious force of "political correctness", when it has far more to do with those sections of the right-wing tabloid press that also happen to rail against political correctness. Without the Mail and its ilk we as a nation would be a lot less concerned with both.
 
robmiller said:
I hate the idea that this is caused by that mysterious force of "political correctness", when it has far more to do with those sections of the right-wing tabloid press that also happen to rail against political correctness. Without the Mail and its ilk we as a nation would be a lot less concerned with both.
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I think you'll find that 'political incorrectness' is more accurate Rob.

Papers like the Daily Fail do have a lot to answer for but they certainly do not play any part in the design of legislation.
 
Raymond Lin said:
If you apply that logic on other aspect of your life you'll either go insane or drop dead next minute

Car crashes - FACT
Planes fall out of the sky - FACT
Mobile phone battery explodes - FACT
Gas pipe bursts - FACT
Earth Quake - FACT
Lightning striking on a house and setting it on fire which causing an explosion in the gas main - FACT
Gems kill - FACT
Your hands has full of gems - FACT

It is also a FACT that all of the above can happen in the next 3 seconds, no matter how small the chances are, it is a lottery.

:lol:
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All of the above are totally outwith anyones control to a certain degree. I choose not to post photo's on the net. You have quoted a part of my post and used it in a manner that makes me look like some kind of paranoid control freak.

Looks like i've really Gripped a few people's ****** here. Why can't you just accept the fact that i dont want to post my kids photo's on the internet? I have an opinion and no matter what you people say i'm not going to change it. I don't particularly enjoy looking at photo's of other peoples children on the web as they are complete strangers, i totally see the point for Crit, but otherwise its pointless for me.I guess its partly a privacy thing also. After all i wouldn't walk into a busy shopping mall or similar populated areas full of strangers shouting 'look at my kids'.

A few people have asked me to explain why i wouldn't want to post personal photo's when i've already explained twice in previous posts?

I dont wrap my kids in cotton wool, they go to school,dancing, Karate, beavers, youth clubs, sleepovers and all the rest, and i'm fully aware that the risks are infinately higher for these activities but these activities are ESSENTIAL for the development of a child. If there was ANY advantage to me or my children in posting their image on the www i would gladly do it and feel the risks associated with it are extremely low compared with daily life.


can we agree to disagree? :hug:


Al
 
this "kids images " thing is realy getting out of hand.
if paedos want images of kids, theyre going to get them somehow.
weve just had a parent ask us to remove a kiddy shot from our website.
its been on there for two years, with her full knowledge, and now she is not happy for it to remain .
the kid is fully clothed, and about 8 i think.
eh?
of course we have removed it, but , paranoid or what?


to be fair it was gonna come off shortly to be replaced with more upto date images.
if people choose not to post kids photos, fine.
personal choice,
but people are becoming paranoid.


take a photo of a kid in the street or even at a wedding (as the hired pro) and you can get looked at funny.:eek:
we even got asked to take a shot off a (password protected) wedding proof gallery last year.
a mother with her child, POSING IN THE GROUP PHOTOS.
a couple of weeks later, she rang us , and asked us to remove it. cos her child was on it
we did point out that she actual posed for the shot.
we rang the b&g to ask their opinion first, before grudgingly removing it.
apparently the b&g and this particualr guest, later had "words".
what do these people think ? paedos are gonna want photos of their kids ?
mind you, most kiddy fidlers are supposed to be relatives arent they.:suspect:



oh, and personaly, i would be all for castration of convicted P****'s.
preferably using building bricks.
 
Just do what I do - don't have kids - plus it's much cheaper, TBH...
 
Sorry havent read through the whole thread but what I have started doing is uploading my pictures to my personal website and password protected the galleries with family and children in.

Being a personal site and having password protected directories doesnt always gaurantee security though so I guess you just be careful where you upload to.
 
I upload pics of my kids all the time. I even just uploaded a load of pics of my daughter at the seaside, to facebook, and she is in a swimming costume :eek: I must be the worlds worst ever parent!
 
Foggy said:
I upload pics of my kids all the time. I even just uploaded a load of pics of my daughter at the seaside, to facebook, and she is in a swimming costume :eek: I must be the worlds worst ever parent!
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There nothing wrong with uploading to facebook or any other social networking style site as long as you have set your privacy settings right... Alot of people dont even know there is privacy settings :shrug:
 
I have and would again post pictures of my daughter on TP. She is a natural infront of the camera.
 
I do upload my kids pics to Facebook, but always makesure the setting Only Friends is switched on.
 
BalSanghera said:
There nothing wrong with uploading to facebook or any other social networking style site as long as you have set your privacy settings right... Alot of people dont even know there is privacy settings :shrug:
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Why "...as long as you have set your privacy settings."?

Why do you need to set privacy settings to post a picture of an individual of any age, on the assumption its not a pornographic image. If its just an 'ordinary' picture of someone with clothes on, regardless of age, where is the issue with posting a picture on a social networking site? I'd have thought it would be more likely for someone who gets off on looking a young people who are clothed, to whatever degree, to go to any town centre and look at the real thing.
 
The whole 'privacy settings' thing really irritates me as well. I mean i have friends of all ages on facebook; some have children of their own, some dont. But how would i know they weren't 'interested' in children? I can honestly say that I wouldn't have a clue.

Just because you know someone doesn't mean that you know everything about them. A lot people have secrets and I can't imagine many boasting about being a paedophile.

As i said earlier, I would be all for posting images of my kids if I had any and I'm sure that when i do, I will. But family and friends privacy settings, IMO, is a complete waste of time.

Ian
 
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