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Not really about carrier bags but more about charging for them.
Today carrier bags tomorrow plastic milk bottles.... perhap? Or the morality of steel box blu ray/dvd special editions erc etc
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the big supermarkets have done this numerous times in the past, our local morrisons was giving the bag for life ones away with every shop for over a week at one point. then the promotion stopped and the "lazy" shoppers returned to using the free bags once again. The supermarkets cant force customers to re-use their bags.
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No they can't . My point was we are forgetful, lazy, whatever. But why not provide a green alternative rather than say its all our fault. I use plastic bags every week. I also reuse them to take things to work etc before the become bin bags for dog poo. Therefore I have made them effective in terms of environmental impact, but to say I'm lazy or greedy because I don't use bags for life is a joke. Provision should be made for people that is green. It is not laziness it is modern life.
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how hard is it to buy a couple of the hessian shopping bags and keep them in the boot of the car - total expenditure maybe 5 quid for many years use - anyone who can't be arsed to make even that much effort is being lazy (or a fold up bag and keep it in your coat pocket if you shop on foot)
The provision had been made by making the durable bags easily available - some people can't be arsed to use them
oh and by the way bagging your dog poo and sending it to landfill to decompose anaerobically and give off methane is not environmentally friendly - just flick it into the bushes with a stick , and let it decay naturally
The provision had been made by making the durable bags easily available - some people can't be arsed to use them
oh and by the way bagging your dog poo and sending it to landfill to decompose anaerobically and give off methane is not environmentally friendly - just flick it into the bushes with a stick , and let it decay naturally
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Can't believe there are 13 pages to this thread, I live in Wales, it isn't an issue, you get use to it, it works, move along...
What actually works and whaf are the real benefits achieved?
All that the thrwad has done is polarise the pro camp and the Nti camp without any detail.
I visit my family in Swansea all the time and as yet am waiting for somethinhg that is more than chest beating to show the way forward to the other 7.3 billion residents on the planet.
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We've been charged for plastic bags for years here. Can't actually work out what the issue is.
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I'm guessing the "issue" is, that we used to be charged for bags,
then one by one, the larger retail outlets followed suit,
and stop charging.
Rather like a premium (%) for the the use of credit cards, over debit cards.
These used to be charged for, then one by one, as more cards
were introduced, the fee's got dropped in an effort to win the
lions share of the market....
Yet again, fees are being re-introduced....
Re-introduction of fee's, what ever it is always hurt
And being British we will pontificate and stamp our feet,
but we don't do anything
other than moan about it
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I'm guessing the "issue" is, that we used to be charged for bags,
then one by one, the larger retail outlets followed suit,
and stop charging.
Rather like a premium (%) for the the use of credit cards, over debit cards.
These used to be charged for, then one by one, as more cards
were introduced, the fee's got dropped in an effort to win the
lions share of the market....
Yet again, fees are being re-introduced....
Re-introduction of fee's, what ever it is always hurt
And being British we will pontificate and stamp our feet,
but we don't do anything
other than moan about it
Possibly but card charges were never dropped and the free bags are not free.
They are both consolidated in overheads and then recovered within the prices charged. The credit card companies make a profit through transactions and so we are still paying them.
For me personally I never use credit cards for food shopping as it is an snaethema to buy food on credit so I am subdifising those who do.
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Well I certainly remember a time without the premium 2 odd% that the
retailers charge for the use of credit cards, be that in store
or on the www
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I think you need to read what I wrote. The charge is built into the price of the goods. Visa and Mastercard make profits from the use of credit cards . They do not give away freebies to multi billion pound turnover companies like Tesco
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I did read what you wrote. (Grammer
)But I don't think you read what I wrote.
I know full well that there is a credit charge for using cards.
However I was also making the point about the premium that is now also being added
(again) (2%-ish)
I don't disagree about the fact that its all "factored in"
just the point that it is factored in, and then being charged again on top.
With the re- introduction of bag charges, and the re-introduction of a "small" service charge for using your credit card in store.
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Please tell me you are joking? What if a child is playing in and around bushes? I do not want poo on me or my kids. How hard to pick it up in a bag, take home and put down toilet? If your so anti bags in landfill then wash it out and use next time. Leaving dog poo is not acceptable.
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I have a feeling that Moosie may well have been being a tad ironic,
as thats what they do around here too
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I did read what you wrote. (Grammer
But I don't think you read what I wrote.
I know full well that there is a credit charge for using cards.
However I was also making the point about the premium that is now also being added
(again) (2%-ish)
I don't disagree about the fact that its all "factored in"
just the point that it is factored in, and then being charged again on top.
With the re- introduction of bag charges, and the re-introduction of a "small" service charge for using your credit card in store.
We are on the same page then. As ever there is a growing stealth approach to picking pockets . Sad to say it would seem Ryanair may be the most honest amongst thieves.
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It would seem so
Although I've never had any dealings with Ryan air, so I can't comment there.
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no i'm serious - if you flick it into the deep undergrowth its a damn site more acceptable than sending it to landfill (though my real pet hate is people who bag it and drop the bag ... you hit one of those when you're strimming and you soon learn to hate the inconsiderate muppet)
So what if a child is playing around the bushes (how many children play in the middle of a bramble thicket /nettle bed anyway) , there's a very small chance of them encountering dog poo flicked away from the path, and there's an even smaller chance of them suffering any harm if they do.
Stick and Flick is the official policy of most forestry commission sites, many national trust sites, and many other countryside sites - not least because of the cost of dog bins and the fact that research shows that people won't use them if they are further than 30 meters from them - so unless we want bins every 60 m through the countryside we need a more sustainable solution.
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As per my post above, yes they do that here too,
although we also have doggy poo bins in our parks.
For some reason they do bag it and then flick it.
Tis all rather pretty seeing the tes/waitro/sains bags adorning the
the blackthorns etc.
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I used to work for the parks trust so I've first hand experience of that (including the guy who used to bag it then walk all the way out onto the cricket field at Campbell park to throw his bag under the covers 
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Bag it and drop it makes no sense whatsoever - and is universally loathed by countryside staff nationwide - FFS if you're going to drop it anyway, why pick it up in the first place
)Bag it and drop it makes no sense whatsoever - and is universally loathed by countryside staff nationwide - FFS if you're going to drop it anyway, why pick it up in the first place
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Shouldn't laugh reallyI used to work for the parks trust so I've first hand experience of that (including the guy who used to bag it then walk all the way out onto the cricket field at Campbell park to throw his bag under the covers
Absolutely
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From what I recall from my dog walking days 'stick & flick' was an option to bagging and disposing responsibly which most organisations still promote the most. Stick & flick was an alternative aimed at those who couldn't be bothered to take responsibility for the mess their dog made.
As far as plastic bags go I'm guessing like Wales this extends to those terrible non degradable paper bags such as McDonalds and Primark give you? Therefore it's simply a tax implication, maybe to help pay for kids school dinners
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not so (and as I run a countryside portfolio I can say that definitively) many organisations promote stick and flick ahead of bagging and binning because
a) bins are expensive - your talking £200 per year per bin for emptying , and that doesn't include the initial purchase or the extra clean up costs when some pillock sets it on fire for a laugh ... bins can also only be installed where there's reasonable vehicle access. My group has 16 sites - so if you reckon an average of 4 bins per site (any less and people don't use them) , that's 64 bins costing £12800 per year ... and I can say for a fact that we don't have that kind of resource to waste on dog crap
An ideal situation would be for owners to pick it up and take it home - but the majority of those who pick it up won't do this (and yes I know some do)
b) as discussed above if you don't provide bins roughly every 60 m you get a lot of bag it and drop it which is worse for the litter situation , for the environment and for the poor bastads who have to clean it up (anyone who doubts the last bit has clearly never picked up a bag of dog crap that's been decomposing in the sun for 10 days and had it dribble semi liquid excrement down the front of their coveralls - or worse hit one hidden in the grass when strimming and been showered with semi liquid crap as it bursts like a water balloon )
the bursting disgusting bag syndrome also makes these bags more hazardous to the "children playing" as 1) its not obvious what the bag contains til they've handled it " mummy whats this - pop -eeewww" and 2) as the crap decomposes it releases noxious gas and liquid which inflate the bag and will result in showering anyone who handles it incautiously in dog slurry vastly increasing the chances of it getting in eyes and mouths and thus the risk of toxicara canis.
Trust me when I say that not bagging it in the first place is distinctly more responsible than causing that scenario
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Its not just countryside rangers who detest the bag it and hang it on a bush/drop it brigade. :annoyed: