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wallyboy

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I have had elements 9, which i lost on my old computer (long story),
I have a birthday coming up, the wife is going to get me editing software, so what do i ask her to get larest elements or latest lightroom,
 
Get her to treat you to 12 months photoshop cc subscription and then repeat next year
 
What is it you wish to do with the editing software?
Lightroom as good at creating a library and has some good image adjustment abilities but if you want to do some more complicated editing and are not bothered about creating searchable image catalogues then elements is the way to go.
 
jondc said:
What is it you wish to do with the editing software?
Lightroom as good at creating a library and has some good image adjustment abilities but if you want to do some more complicated editing and are not bothered about creating searchable image catalogues then elements is the way to go.
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i must say when i had elements before it did more or less all i wanted,
 
Having had to move from aperture, I went to the Lightroom, photoshop cc option for a year. I also had elements 9. So far i am really impressed it's a great combination. Lightroom is so much more than aperture, pity Apple let it lapse. And photoshop cc is just great. You can do a free trial of both. Hope this helps
 
I have just installed elements 14 trial, and it does have a raw converter. (I have version 12 but I like some of the new stuff in 14)

I do use Lightroom for most of my posts work, and elements for more layer intensive edits.

Hope this helps
 
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I used to have elements 9, then upgraded to an Adobe CC plan which includes lightroom and photoshop. Never looked back. But again, you have to look at if it's worth the extra money for you. I think the plan is about £10 a month or something. Worth every penny in my opinion. :D
 
Just to add my new 7d2 was not supported by elements 9acr
 
twhite87 said:
I used to have elements 9, then upgraded to an Adobe CC plan which includes lightroom and photoshop. Never looked back. But again, you have to look at if it's worth the extra money for you. I think the plan is about £10 a month or something. Worth every penny in my opinion. :D
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Is there a minimum time you pay monthly
 
wallyboy said:
Bit confused, I thought Lightroom was the next step up from elements, then cs5,

So will Lightroom do all layer masks etc
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I've downloaded the trial and been fiddling with it. In terms of PP, elements is actually more in depth than Lightroom from what I can gather so far (years since I used Elements too).

CC is just under £9 a month but you're signed up for 12 months if you go for it. Given that gets you Lightroom and Photoshop, I think I'll be taking the plunge.
 
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wallyboy said:
Bit confused, I thought Lightroom was the next step up from elements, then cs5,

So will Lightroom do all layer masks etc
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Lightroom is more of a basic developing module (Organising, Tagging, Rating, etc, with the ability to do basic adjustments like exposure, highlights, shadows, levels) It does have the ability for spot removal and things too
Photoshop is for more extensive adjustments (Better for spot removal, and more advanced post production)
Elements is a basic mould of both of the above into a smaller package. (losing some qualities and abilities)

I would have a go at downloading the trial of both Lightroom and Photoshop CS as @Ian W has and have a play. Word of advice from me would be to stick at the trial and really give it a go, as it will definitely feel weird and different to elements. (At first I didn't like it, but forced myself to learn more and stick at it).
 
As an alternative to Photoshop GIMP 2 is free and has many of the functionality of Photoshop.
 
I would that even photoshop cc is different from elements acr has more tabs for a start. I tend to use lightroom to do my raw editing then move it to photoshop for the more complicated stuff if i need to. i looked at tony northrup on youtube where they have some editing tutorials in both lightroom and photoshop
 
twhite87 said:
Lightroom is more of a basic developing module (Organising, Tagging, Rating, etc, with the ability to do basic adjustments like exposure, highlights, shadows, levels) It does have the ability for spot removal and things too
Photoshop is for more extensive adjustments (Better for spot removal, and more advanced post production)
Elements is a basic mould of both of the above into a smaller package. (losing some qualities and abilities)

I would have a go at downloading the trial of both Lightroom and Photoshop CS as @Ian W has and have a play. Word of advice from me would be to stick at the trial and really give it a go, as it will definitely feel weird and different to elements. (At first I didn't like it, but forced myself to learn more and stick at it).
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I think i overestimated lightroom, in my mind i have thought it was an upgrade from elements, reading posts here i will get the wife to get PSE14, ..........thanks for help:)
 
wallyboy said:
I think i overestimated lightroom, in my mind i have thought it was an upgrade from elements, reading posts here i will get the wife to get PSE14, ..........thanks for help:)
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Lightroom is a workflow tool, so you import, catalogue, develop (editing and adjusting), then produce output. As part of this you can export to photoshop etc for additional editing, layers etc.

It's not just an editing tool, it's much, much more than that.
You can download and try for 30 days for free, but check out the 10 min tutorials on Adobe TV to understand the modules and get the best use from it.

It's all I use for about 95% of my images. Rarely use photoshop.
 
Byker28i said:
Lightroom is a workflow tool, so you import, catalogue, develop (editing and adjusting), then produce output. As part of this you can export to photoshop etc for additional editing, layers etc.

It's not just an editing tool, it's much, much more than that.
You can download and try for 30 days for free, but check out the 10 min tutorials on Adobe TV to understand the modules and get the best use from it.

It's all I use for about 95% of my images. Rarely use photoshop.
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So is photoshop part of lightroom,
Say i wanted to put a firey dragon at a wedding excluding mother in law,:eek: would this be possible with lightroom package:)
 
wallyboy said:
So is photoshop part of lightroom,
Say i wanted to put a firey dragon at a wedding excluding mother in law,:eek: would this be possible with lightroom package:)
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:LOL::LOL: nice thought but I'm afraid not you would need PS for that. Best thing is to do as suggested above, go to Adobe's website and get the 30 day trial of whichever you would really prefer.

PS will do most everything you want, apart from the sophisticated cataloguing that LR does, I have used PS since version 2.5 when it came on floppy discs and have never had a reason to use anything else. :)
 
I find LR essential - if only for it's cataloguing functions
 
Scotty Pro said:
:LOL::LOL: nice thought but I'm afraid not you would need PS for that. Best thing is to do as suggested above, go to Adobe's website and get the 30 day trial of whichever you would really prefer.

PS will do most everything you want, apart from the sophisticated cataloguing that LR does, I have used PS since version 2.5 when it came on floppy discs and have never had a reason to use anything else. :)
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thanks I have just downloaded PSE14, I have still got scott kelbys elements 9 book somewhere I am hoping a lot of book applies to 14,
 
wallyboy said:
So is photoshop part of lightroom,
Say i wanted to put a firey dragon at a wedding excluding mother in law,:eek: would this be possible with lightroom package:)
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No it's a separate package, but in Lightroom you can select edit in Photoshop, it opens it in Photoshop and you do your editing. I have it set to create a copy, then when you save it brings it into the Lightroom catalogue, so you have original and photoshop versions.
 
A lot of people seem to mistakenly believe that Lightroom and Photoshop do the same job,
They do not, they are separate programs with different functions.
Lightroom is primarily a raw developer program with an integrated image management facility.
Photoshop is a sophisticated bitmap image editing and compositing program which uses layers.
Photoshop does have a raw developer (Adobe Camera Raw) which essentially uses the same processing engine as Lightroom, but with a less user friendly interface.
In fact, the whole user interface of Photoshop is apalling compared to Lightroom, (probably as a result of having so many things "tacked on" over the years) but if you want comprehensive layering, masking and compositing facilities, then Photoshop is the best way to go.

A lot of people who used Photoshop have switched to Lightroom, and say that LR does over 90% of their work, only needing to resort to Photoshop for very specialised edits.

Although I have CS6 available I find Lightroom plus a few plug-ins does 98% of my processing.
 
for me Lightroom is essential, i literally couldn't live with out it.
 
I have the cc versions of LR and PS (paying £9 a month or whatever it is). If I had to have just one it would be Lightroom.

If you have both, a trick is to right click on an image in Lightroom and "Edit in Photoshop". This will open the image in Photoshop where you can do more editing. When you save the file it then saves it into the Lightroom catalogue, keeping your original in tact. Many ways to skin a cat with this but it's helpful to know.

Also another trick is to highlight a few images in Lightroom, right click and "Open as Layers" in a single PS file. A helpful situation if you take a few shots of the family photo where in PS you can mask in or out facial features to ensure that everyone is smiling with their eyes open. :)
 
For any serious editing and compositing you need photoshop, lightroom is great as a quick editer but it lacts the "clever" stuff like adding things to images, swopping heads that sort of thing.
I could live without lightroom, but I couldn't do my work without photoshop... But it's a whole lot easier with both. Lightroom for the batch editing which photoshop is rubbish at, and photoshop for the fiddly clever stuff that lightroom cant do.
 
The cataloguing functions of LR are inescapable, and can be somewhat arcane - do you really want to go there? Import, export, & all that stuff? There are free alternatives for raw processing as often mentioned on these forums.

LR can process in 16-bit, as can full PS. The value of that depends on how much processing you do and for what purpose - if you make big prints, for example, then every gramme of power is welcome. "It ain't what you want, it's what you need" (Kantner/Slick, Jefferson Starship, 'Sketches of China') ....
 
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EdwardL said:
If you have both, a trick is to right click on an image in Lightroom and "Edit in Photoshop". This will open the image in Photoshop where you can do more editing. When you save the file it then saves it into the Lightroom catalogue, keeping your original in tact. Many ways to skin a cat with this but it's helpful to know.
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You can open in Photoshop from Adobe Bridge or Adobe Camera Raw.

EdwardL said:
Also another trick is to highlight a few images in Lightroom, right click and "Open as Layers" in a single PS file. A helpful situation if you take a few shots of the family photo where in PS you can mask in or out facial features to ensure that everyone is smiling with their eyes open. :)
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You can also 'Open as Layers' from Adobe Bridge too.

I think Elements 14 they have updated the organiser which may offer some of this functionality, but the OP with find what can and can't be done in Elements.
 
droj said:
The cataloguing functions of LR are inescapable, and can be somewhat arcane - do you really want to go there? Import, export, & all that stuff? There are free alternatives for raw processing as often mentioned on these forums.

LR can process in 16-bit, as can full PS. The value of that depends on how much processing you do and for what purpose - if you make big prints, for example, then every gramme of power is welcome. "It ain't what you want, it's what you need" (Kantner/Slick, Jefferson Starship, 'Sketches of China') ....
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My hobby of photography amounts to shoot jpeg only, only ever shot a handful of raw photos, which i processed in PSE9 with the add on feature,
So i'll stick with PSE14 for now, :)
 
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