Ceiling-bounced flash (basic..) question

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Hi, I bought a lightstipper flash modifying yesterday (just a mirror that reflects onboard flash up) and wondered how- when people use external mounted flash units pointed at the ceiling, you avoid shadows 'from the floor'?!?
(Sorry for being thick...)
 
Depends pretty much on what refelective surfaces are around you [and their colours]. In most buildings with white or light ceilings I try and bounce up and behind me. Shoot in manual with whatever settings you need and adjust flash exposure to suit. It will work even if the ceilings are high like in a theatre, just adjust FEC to suit. The key is really having a flask that rotates and swivells and using surfaces above/side/behind.

Easy! [not really] but have a bash and you will find it a much better 'modifier' than bolt ons.
 
Not sure what you mean by shadows from the floor! How would you get shadows from the floor?

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No, I was talking about onboard flash! I have a Canon 580Ex which tilts, swivels and rotates. So I just move it into whichever is the best position, rarely straight on!

Cheers
 
Not sure what you mean by shadows from the floor! How would you get shadows from the floor?

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from the light being bounced off the ceiling?? (I'm 'a keen amateur' so bear with me!! :p )

I mean this:
 
not sure what you're showing me here - it is NOT a shadow from the floor - that's impossible. You have a soft shadow under the chin because the light source has been from above - the floor has nothing to do with it.
 
not sure what you're showing me here - it is NOT a shadow from the floor - that's impossible. You have a soft shadow under the chin because the light source has been from above - the floor has nothing to do with it.

ok apologies, am still learning- so when people take portraits using a mounted flash pointed up do they always get shadow like this?
 
hold a reflector under his chin mate :)

it will bounce light back up onto the subject and light it evenly :)
 
YES - and what's wrong with a shadow like that - it looks fine. Use a reflector and you will end up with a totally flat image. Sorry but the person above giving this advice is at the same time asking for the most basic advice themselves! Be careful how you choose your advice!
 
A lot of the bounce flashes allow some light forward as a fill in (don't think the one mentioned does) thats way many flashes have the little pull out card.
While bouncing of the ceiling is better than on camera direct flash, bounced from the side is often more natural looking.
 
I think the problem is the way that light bounces off a surface at the same angle it strikes it, like a snooker ball off the cushion. Therefore, if you point it straight up, it comes straight down creating shadows under eyes and chins etc.

With a separate gun, you can obviously modify the angle, fit accessory modifiers etc, and generally get a lot more control. At least that little attachment gives you the option of bouncing which might be handy in a few situations, but it is very limited. The other thing is, and the reason why there are not many of these things about, is that bouncing flash uses a lot of power and the pop-up just hasn't got enough of it to make that a practical proposition.

With that particular modifier, you need a normal height white ceiling (for max bounce light) and to move back in order to create a better angle. The light output will be marginal at best, so raise the ISO and reduce the f/number as low as you can to maximise what you have got (shutter speed makes no difference to the flash exposure).
 
thanks very much for your posts- makes sense and I appreciate it! :)

Swanseamale47- that's really good info about the side-bounce flash- thank you!
 
Have a look at this blog:

http://neilvn.com/tangents/

Neil vN uses on-camera bounced flash a lot and like SM47 uses sideways bounce a lot (often flagged with his "black foamie thing" - search the blog). I find his approach very successful if you have small enough rooms and a powerful enough flash. Flash bounced sideways looks more like window-light to me than when bounced off a ceiling.
 
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