CD ROM doesnt like MUSE Absolution

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As it says really. I want to put the CD on iPlayer but the PC doesn't know it's there. It reads other discs ok including other Muse albums. The Absolution CD plays fine in other CD players.

Is this a piracy thing pr ipod/mp3 player days?

Is there a way around it?

The only thing I can do is use a program called magix which is for putting tapes onto the computer, but you can also do it for CDs, but its a lot of messing about. :rolleyes:
 
I know there was a phase when the publishers were putting stuff on CDs to stop them being read by CDRom drives, could be one of them.
 
Yeah sounds like copy protection to me. Pain in the ass.

Unfortunately we're not allowed to discuss bypassing these things on here but there are ways around it if you can operate google.
 
As far as I can see, there is no DRM on music CDs. Have you tried WMP to rip it?

Copying CDs for cross platform personal use is acceptable (as proven in court). If DRM was added, the CD would probably not work in all CD Players.

It is illegal to hack DRM encoding or to distribute or sell the CD once ripped (unless all electronic copies are wiped)

I will get a copy of this CD to test - legally.
 
Thanks guys.
As far as the computer is concerned there isn't a disc in the drive. It's as if Id shut the drive with no disc in :confused:

And yes I did put it in the right way up ;)
 
Thanks Dan, I posted the above post the same time as you. I was going to try iTunes but the PC doesn't think theres a disc in the drive.
 
Send it back for a refund. A "CD" which doesn't play in bog-standard CD players isn't fit for purpose. I've used that argument a couple of times when I've inadvertently bought DRM-protected discs and it's been accepted by the retailers.
 
Or alternatively, it simply doesn't like your CD drive. Do you have access to any other PC mounted CD drives to see if it is that?
 
From June I think this year it becomes legal to format change. Have you got auto run enabled?

If you bought it from amazon you automatically have a ripped mp3 version of most albums so its worth checking if it won't work in the PC drive.

I'd insist on a replacement. But if it plays on a normal CD player then it does strictly meet the red book standard even if your PC cd drive doesn't like it.
 
Thanks all. I've had the CD a while now. I think I did get it from Amazon so will check that. I have another drive out of my old PC but its not installed into my current one. Next time I go to my mates I'll try in his but will look into the other suggestions meanwhile. Thanks so much for your help :)
 
legal to format change, i dont believe its legal to circumvent copy protection/drm however? unless someone can show me otherwise, i may be wrong.

and for the person who says there is no drm on music cds, i have seen it before where a music cd would not play in a computer. looking on the sleave it did have some sort of copy protection logo. this was going back a few years mind.
 
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I don't think it's been tested as to whether circumventing DRM to allow you to what is legally allowed ie format change is against the law when the media producer doesn't have to include it. It's one thing to stop copying that format change willy nilly but it's another to prevent someone putting it in Itunes to use in their car or wherever when they've bought a legal copy of the music in the first place.

Copying the copy and circumventing DRM to do that would definitely be illegal but circumventing it to effectively make your own backup/format change is something else. It's particularly idiotic if the content in question is freely available on itunes. Does that mean cd producers expect everyone to buy two copies if they want a cd?? If you buy the itunes version then you can burn to cd in wav format so it makes perfect sense to me that you should be able to take the cd and transpose it into itunes... or does that mean everyone is now assuming you just buy all music from itunes and never buy a physical cd again?

What's even more annoying is when producers won't bring out a new format eg DVD so you only have a legal VHS copy and no way of making a DVD copy that is legal. Gary Larson I'm looking at you...
 
But have we proved there is any DRM on the disk yet....?

PS. even if it is protected, it isn't DRM in the true sense of the word.... ;)
 
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Ahhh
In the blurb about the seller:

Comment: BRAND NEW items direct from the USA. Please allow 12 to 20 business days for delivery. Please check the region code specified on the listing to see if this item will play for you. CDs do not have a region code and can be played worldwide.

Could it be because it's from the US?
 
There is no region code on CDs, and I would expect a promo CD to say so. Maybe your PC has developed artificial intelligence, and is trying to spare you from Muse. ;)
 
On a plus side I've just found my drive was already set to the wrong region, the US, so changed it to UK (region 2) but no cigar.

I like buying music on CDs so you have a hard copy but this is converting me to downloads now.
 
So I've hooked up my little cd player to the PC and am using the program I used to record tapes. If anyone is interested it's called Magix Audio Cleaning Lab 16 Delux. This way works but its a pain and you have to let the CD play through as if it was a tape, like the old school dubbing days (before HS dubbing). Then you have to make sure all the tracks are in the right place etc. Thanks all for your help
 
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In my experience some CDs just won't work in PC drives, they work fine in CD players. I have a Led Zeppelin one that has refused to play in 2 PCs with 3 different drives between them and 2 laptops. No idea why as no mention of DRM anywhere :-/
 
ancient_mariner said:
Maybe your PC has developed artificial intelligence, and is trying to spare you from Muse. ;)
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Probably that. Absolution plays perfectly on my superior Mac :)

BTW it's from 2003 - that was exactly the time they were mucking about with all these weird formats to stop you playing them on a computer. I'd return it and buy it electronically - £5.49 at the Google Play store, a bit less from iTunes or £4.99 at Amazon for CD and Cloud version - whichever player you like.
 
As mentioned above, I bought the CD & ripped it fine with my CD rom (Dell Studio 1537). It must be your disk.

It is always illegal to circumnavigate DRM as it is software and you will be hacking (Search judgement against DVDFab). It is only legal to rip a CD if you keep the CD (which most people forget)

CDs are better audio quality then most commercially available downloads. I find the music sounds noisy/ without separation when downloads are played through a sound system but that might just be my bat like ears.
 
Maybe it's infected with the famous Sony rootkit they shipped with their non-redbook CDs
Ice not bought a don't product since that debacle.
Odd how its easier to torrent a copy than use a disk you legally own, innit?
 
srichards said:
But if it plays on a normal CD player then it does strictly meet the red book standard even if your PC cd drive doesn't like it.
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Not so.

Some of the systems used at the time such as Cactus Data Shield and MacroVision SafeAudio deliberately introduced errors into the data on the disc (either/and/or the music data itself, error correction data, or the Table of Contents, depending on the copy protection system).

Regular audio CD players will usually apply simple linear interpolation of the missing data and continue to play the music.

Data devices, such as CD-ROMs, don't use linear interpolation for errors in data reads, and are usually rather more fussy about their checksums adding up properly; they reject the data and refuse to play, or play with significant audio errors (pops, dropouts, etc.). It does rather depend on the particular firmware of each drive, though, so they may work in some computers and not others. Equally, they would sometimes not play on ostensible audio players such as car CD players, which used mechanisms designed for [laptop] computer use.

Effectively (especially with SafeAudio since that was the start and the finish of how it worked) they were pre-scratching the discs, knowing that computer CD drives have a harder time dealing with errors than audio drives. One other upshot of this was that if/when these discs did suffer normal minor scratches, etc., they were much more likely to fail on any player, since the available error correction mechanisms were subverted in the factory.

When the labels were messing with the discs they were selling in this way, Phillips eventually refused to license them use of the Compact Disc logo, because they did not adhere to the Red Book standard. Even if it's not mentioned, you can sometimes tell whether a disk is copy protected because the CD logo is missing on the packaging. I successfully returned some of these discs back to shops at the time on the basis that they had not actually sold me a Compact Disc when it was not apparent from the outside packaging, though they were in the racks with Compact Discs.
 
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landwomble said:
Not allowed to talk about the impact of the Sony rootkit debacle but it was bloody awful....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
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While I wasn't affected directly as I use Macs, it stopped buying CDs from Sony-owned labels for several years after that.

It was still a factor that very nearly prevented me buying my A7 even at the end of last year. I decided their camera division was sufficiently removed from Sony Music to let it pass.
 
We all know that all of Muse's back catalogue is on Spotify, right? Can't see a good reason to buy any more CDs......
 
Musicman said:
Not so.

Some of the systems used at the time such as Cactus Data Shield and MacroVision SafeAudio deliberately introduced errors into the data on the disc (either/and/or the music data itself, error correction data, or the Table of Contents, depending on the copy protection system).

Regular audio CD players will usually apply simple linear interpolation of the missing data and continue to play the music.

Data devices, such as CD-ROMs, don't use linear interpolation for errors in data reads, and are usually rather more fussy about their checksums adding up properly; they reject the data and refuse to play, or play with significant audio errors (pops, dropouts, etc.). It does rather depend on the particular firmware of each drive, though, so they may work in some computers and not others. Equally, they would sometimes not play on ostensible audio players such as car CD players, which used mechanisms designed for [laptop] computer use.

Effectively (especially with SafeAudio since that was the start and the finish of how it worked) they were pre-scratching the discs, knowing that computer CD drives have a harder time dealing with errors than audio drives. One other upshot of this was that if/when these discs did suffer normal minor scratches, etc., they were much more likely to fail on any player, since the available error correction mechanisms were subverted in the factory.

When the labels were messing with the discs they were selling in this way, Phillips eventually refused to license them use of the Compact Disc logo, because they did not adhere to the Red Book standard. Even if it's not mentioned, you can sometimes tell whether a disk is copy protected because the CD logo is missing on the packaging. I successfully returned some of these discs back to shops at the time on the basis that they had not actually sold me a Compact Disc when it was not apparent from the outside packaging, though they were in the racks with Compact Discs.
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I have just looked on the disc and there's no logo. Its 2003 by Taste media, which looks to be part of Warner music.
 
Raptor Mike said:
Why cant you talk about it though??
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Well, I can talk about it but can't tell you some of the horror stories about the global impact on enterprise PCs that I'd like to, due to who I work for.

But imagine, all those people who wrote reasonably thought they'd listen to a "CD" at work. All those PCs then rootkitted and opening another attack vector. The amount spent globally on support calls....and that's not including the general public's machines...
 
I always new that some CDs had anti copy protection, but I thought it was just that. I never knew it went this deep. The thing is I remember pre media player days you had to copy your CDs for your car. Two reasons:
1) Why should you by an album twice
2) If you left ten original CDs in your car at £12-£14 a go when there was no car alarms and car stereos were being nicked left right and centre, thats a lot on money to replace.
 
I remember the fuss at the time, and like Musicman, it made me decide to not buy Sony audio products in the future. Incredibly arrogant and stupid, though entirely typical of the music business of the day.
 
The DVD/film industry is even worse with all the region encoding nonsense. I always bought multi region players because I'm not have some stuffed suit telling me what I can watch.
 
Musicman said:
Some of the systems used at the time such as Cactus Data Shield ... deliberately introduced errors into the data on the disc (either/and/or the music data itself, error correction data, or the Table of Contents, depending on the copy protection system).

Regular audio CD players will usually apply simple linear interpolation of the missing data and continue to play the music.

Data devices ... are usually rather more fussy about their checksums adding up properly; they reject the data and refuse to play, or play with significant audio errors (pops, dropouts, etc.).
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That's the system I had the misfortune of encountering. Good riddance.
 
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