Car Tax Dodgers

[neil_g]

if they use diesel yup.

so you're happy for pretty much all goods to go up to absorb that?

also my diesel puts out less CO2 than some petrol motors. you want to increase their VED too right?

 

[nilagin]

I know mate but it is a dirty toxic fuel for the environment and it needs dealing with, sorry.

It is being dealt with, most car manufacturers (no need to mention by name those that didn't really bother and have as yet fixed less than 10% of their cars affected) are continuously striving to make more fuel efficient and cleaner burning engines, whilst the larger fuel companies are also working to improve the fuel burn and cleanliness as well as reducing the carbon build up in engines which reduces their efficiency on economy and emissions. That's why it's better to buy the premium diesel fuels as opposed to the fairly basic supermarket diesel.
There has been a recent study in large cities, like London, where there is a lot of construction taking place. The construction sites run large diesel generators, generators that each produce as much emissions as 10 buses. You only need to look at London's skyline, see all the huge cranes all over the place and it soon becomes obvious where a huge amount of unfiltered emissions is actually coming from.

 

[LCS]

On this topic, there a couple of people at work that annoy me; they both live close by, here is the situation:

Chap 1: bought a car and pays insurance for it
Chap 2: uses his car as and when he can. He has no insane and has a foreign driving license.

Chap 1: is a very nice giving sort of chap and lets chap2 do this. This infuriates me as I have told chap1 that he could get in to so much trouble if this happens and price catch chap2 doing this, an IN12 and a considerable fine and points. Chap2 is clearly not fused, and even sub borrowed the car out to someone else the other day (!)

Needless to say, chap2 is a w##### and one of these "gods gifts" tall, good looking, american etc..

The amount of times I've wanted to report it when he gets particularly trying is immeasubel but if I do this it will get Chap1 into a lot of trouble who I have no wish to do so!

So aggravating a situation.

 

[neil_g]

It is being dealt with, most car manufacturers (no need to mention by name those that didn't really bother and have as yet fixed less than 10% of their cars affected) are continuously striving to make more fuel efficient and cleaner burning engines, whilst the larger fuel companies are also working to improve the fuel burn and cleanliness as well as reducing the carbon build up in engines which reduces their efficiency on economy and emissions. That's why it's better to buy the premium diesel fuels as opposed to the fairly basic supermarket diesel.
There has been a recent study in large cities, like London, where there is a lot of construction taking place. The construction sites run large diesel generators, generators that each produce as much emissions as 10 buses. You only need to look at London's skyline, see all the huge cranes all over the place and it soon becomes obvious where a huge amount of unfiltered emissions is actually coming from.

indeed.

southampton has just been confirmed as the 8th most polluted city in the UK. some blame the lorries going to and from the port but nobody seems to mention the massive cruise and container ships sat in port with engines running.

 

[Alastair]

The construction sites run large diesel generators, generators that each produce as much emissions as 10 buses.

On red derv too, so no duty paid.

southampton has just been confirmed as the 8th most polluted city in the UK. some blame the lorries going to and from the port but nobody seems to mention the massive cruise and container ships sat in port with engines running.

The cruise ships were featured in articles on the BBC and Guardian websites earlier this year. There was a suggestion the should be made to use a shore-based power feed.


The problem with only taxing fuel is that it takes no account of the efficiency and cleanliness of the combustion. A twenty year old diesel engine is rough, but so's a twenty year old petrol engine compared to a modern diesel. And the fuel isn't what it was either. The next iteration of petrol engines is due to play catch-up with diesel on particulates, expect gasoline particulate filters to become common place very soon.

VED (and the related tax impacts for company vehicles) is an incentive to switch to a less polluting vehicle, regardless of the choice of fuel. Duty on fuel is an incentive to use less, regardless of which vehicle you own.

 

[neil_g]

The cruise ships were featured in articles on the BBC and Guardian websites earlier this year. There was a suggestion the should be made to use a shore-based power feed.

yeah diesel gennys.

 

[wyx087]

VED (and the related tax impacts for company vehicles) is an incentive to switch to a less polluting vehicle, regardless of the choice of fuel. Duty on fuel is an incentive to use less, regardless of which vehicle you own.

Use less = less pollution and less resource being consumed = win win.

Expensive VED + insurance = incentive to use more on something that one feel one has paid enough.

Taxing fuel also puts pressure on older more polluting cars, similar to the CO2 banded VED. Except CO2 banded VED doesn't actually work for the dirty diesels.

 

[boliston]

indeed.

southampton has just been confirmed as the 8th most polluted city in the UK. some blame the lorries going to and from the port but nobody seems to mention the massive cruise and container ships sat in port with engines running.

This was our cruise ship in the fjords of norway

 

[nilagin]

The next iteration of petrol engines is due to play catch-up with diesel on particulates, expect gasoline particulate filters to become common place very soon.

Not all cars will need GPF's, smaller cars probably won't require one for a while until stricter emissions are required and they will only likely be fitted to turbo engines with direct injection. I'm currently developing and testing a new engine ( an upgrade of a current engine) that will come out next year, only some of the exhausts, depending on which car set up I am replicating and testing at any one time, have GPF's, The problem with GPF's and DPF's is they cause a restriction in the exhaust, this reduces the engine power and more fuel has to be used to compensate. More and more development is being done in low friction materials for engine components to try to offset this. Other measures are also being taken to reduce the emissions by other means, so that there won't be as much reliance on GPF's having to do all the work and hopefully can be made less restrictive.

 

[lawrie29]

On this topic, there a couple of people at work that annoy me; they both live close by, here is the situation:

Chap 1: bought a car and pays insurance for it
Chap 2: uses his car as and when he can. He has no insane and has a foreign driving license.

Chap 1: is a very nice giving sort of chap and lets chap2 do this. This infuriates me as I have told chap1 that he could get in to so much trouble if this happens and price catch chap2 doing this, an IN12 and a considerable fine and points. Chap2 is clearly not fused, and even sub borrowed the car out to someone else the other day (!)

Needless to say, chap2 is a w##### and one of these "gods gifts" tall, good looking, american etc..

The amount of times I've wanted to report it when he gets particularly trying is immeasubel but if I do this it will get Chap1 into a lot of trouble who I have no wish to do so!

So aggravating a situation.

You should show Chap 1 this:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2211934/How-face-5-000-fine-lending-car.html


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[neil_g]

This was our cruise ship in the fjords of norway

dodgy fred ships
http://www.boliston.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/DSC_3282.jpg

 

[Yardbent]

car tax regulations/levels are strange

my brother just bought a Toyota Hybrid electric/petrol = no tax
he gave me his Suzuki Swift diesel = taxed today = £30

not much revenue from 2 vehicles methinks...?

 

[Mr Bump]

car tax regulations/levels are strange

my brother just bought a Toyota Hybrid electric/petrol = no tax
he gave me his Suzuki Swift diesel = taxed today = £30

not much revenue from 2 vehicles methinks...?

yep coz its on emmisions, 2 very low vehicles.

 

[the black fox]

You should show Chap 1 this:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2211934/How-face-5-000-fine-lending-car.html


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I think you will find that even that information has now been superseded (it was published in 2012 ),and you have to be named on the individual car policy ,unless your insurer states otherwise .
If you do have access to someone else's car to drive you have to declare that when renewing your policy .and permission is only granted depending on your own circumstances ,it's therefore far better to insure over the phone than to fill in details online as you can explain your precise needs talking to a human

 

[onomatopoeia]

Insurers are obliged to ask questions now, rather than relying on the public volunteering information due to a change in the law surrounding consumer contracts of insurance (so Carter vs Boehm effectively no longer applies to those from the consumer's side). So, if the insurer wants to know if you have use of another vehicle, they must ask, they can't come back later and say "but you didn't tell us!" if they didn't asl the question in the first place.

If you have the driving other cars extension on your policy, you do not need to be named on the policy for the other car you are driving. The purpose of DOC cover is to avoid the necessity for that, so you can drive any (road legal etc) car with the owner's permission. The car may or may not need to be insured by the owner for them to drive, depending on the terms of the DOC cover. There is no specific law on this, it is down to the insurance policy wording.