Car road Tax

I have three 4x4s, all pre-2001 so thankfully they will only cost £180 per year each (never thought I would ever say 'only' £180 :shake: )
 
He says he is doing us a favour by forcing us all into into hybrid/electric cars by IIRC 2015 thereby saving on road tax.
Oh yes, and how is all that revenue going to be replaced:shrug:.

We are being well and truly shafted by this doomed government, they just can not see it from where they are!!!!.

They deny it is for raising revenue and is being done to reduce carbon emissions............. Bo****ks !!!.

Short rant over, away to make a coffee:)
 
Wake-up everyone, it's nothing to do with the environment.

Gordon Brown has made a P*** P*** job of economic policy and the government has run out of money, they are looking at any way they can tax us more, and another £1 billion from the car owner is an easy target.
 
As said elsewhere, they have a couple of wars to pay for and the money has to come from somewhere.
 
Steep said:
As said elsewhere, they have a couple of wars to pay for and the money has to come from somewhere.
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:agree: and another about to start
 
I want to know what all this Eco tax is going to be spent on to help the environment?

Oh wait, right yeah, its not really, its to make us change how we live and how we spend our money, and to help pay and cover up all the screw ups from the "New Labour"....

I had to actually walk away from my car and scrap it, 1997 Crysler Neon (I know, yuk!) it cost me £450 to buy 3 years ago, 32000 miles, 1 owner, all reciepts and mots to prove mileage. Flew through all MOTs since, but this year I just cannot justify keeping it. Use it 2 or 3 times a month as I use public transport to work. But this month Tax was due, Insurance renewal (£400! more than the car is worth) and plus the cost of petrol. So I scrapped a perfectly useable car with 35000 miles on the clock, why? It had no second hand value, even put it in the local papers as FREE, no b****r phoned...

How many other perfectly useable cars are going the same way?

Heres a neat idea..... how about a recycling scheme - keep your car running, manufacturers actually make replacement cleaner, more eco engines and an upgrade path thats affordable.....?

Would it be less damaging to natural resources to fix what we have instead of constantly producing new cars... how many raw materials get eaten, travel of parts etc in producing a new line of cars, then newer models, more changes, more revisions...

How about spending a bit of time and effort in to making cars last longer, afterall, less cars scrapped, less junk, less to worry about WTF are we going to do with these old dead cars?
 
A lot of good suggestions posted but the reality is the cost of motoring will continue to rise, if only as a control measure for the number of cars on the road.

Personally I think the government "chose" a bad time to bring in tax changes but then they could hardly foresee the recession whilst their heads were up their backsides. For me this is another case of do as we say, not as we do. And to top it all off we had good ol' Gordon urging us to cut back on food waste just before sitting down to a lavish 19 course banquet.

Hmm... 19 courses? That's as many meals I get in a week if i'm lucky...
 
minky_monkey said:
It`s not bad TBH, it cuts the petrol engine when you stop at lights and you pull away on the electric side. The electric is there to assist the petrol side.

The only thing is, it`s not exactly the quickest car you`ll ever drive. With a moster 1300cc :lol:, overtaking needs a bit of planning! With the motor assist it`s pretty much the equivalent of a 1500/1600cc engine. Just much more economical. It clocks about 56mpg on average, if you`re more steady in the manner of driving, I`ve seen more.
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When moving off at the lights do you rock backwards and forwards in your seat in a 'faster, faster, come on!' motion? whilst push bikes pedal past? Also find with smaller engines there is a constant changing of gears to get enough power. I'm not really up for that kind of hard work. Drather boggle out the window saying 'ooooh what kind of tree/cattle/bird is that?'
 
It not just the car but how its driven too tbh.

Anyone see the top gear thing a couple of weekes ago, with the Toyota thingy, thats very bad to the envirnment to build, when they ragged around the track, and a a BMW M5 follow behind, the BMW was more economical.

For the year i did 12,000-ish miles and averaged 58 mpg in a Mondeo.
 
bradkb said:
I had to actually walk away from my car and scrap it, 1997 Crysler Neon (I know, yuk!) it cost me £450 to buy 3 years ago, 32000 miles, 1 owner, all reciepts and mots to prove mileage. Flew through all MOTs since, but this year I just cannot justify keeping it. Use it 2 or 3 times a month as I use public transport to work. But this month Tax was due, Insurance renewal (£400! more than the car is worth) and plus the cost of petrol. So I scrapped a perfectly useable car with 35000 miles on the clock, why? It had no second hand value, even put it in the local papers as FREE, no b****r phoned...
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This is where the new tax is really stupid, hitting 4x4s hard. 4x4s go forever (my Defender 110 V8 is 17 years old and, barring an accident, will go on for another 17, 27, or 37 years) and hold their value really well. There is no such things as a worthless 4x4, whatever it's age......and the fact they go on and on, saving them from the scrapyard makes them one of the greenest motors around.

This new tax will not stop people buying or using large 4x4s, as they hold their value. It will make 'normal' cars worthless though (as in the quote above), thus meaning perfectly good cars are scrapped and even more new cars are made (and most C02 is produced during the manufacture of new cars, not in the running of them).

I think it would be fair if road tax get cheaper as cars get older.
 
badgerbaiter said:
i'm quite happy to get rid of my car (much that i love it) and get something greener. The only trouble is that now the tax is going to be £420 and a tank of petrol is £75 the value of my car has dropped so much that i cant afford to trade it in for something greener.
So I have no choice but to carry on poluting the atmosphere even though i dont want to.
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I feel exactly the same. We have a 2002 Mercedes SLK. It's going to be £210 this year, then £300, then £430. But the resale value has just plummeted, so we're better off paying the extra £220/year than trading it in.

:cuckoo:
 
StewartR said:
I feel exactly the same. We have a 2002 Mercedes SLK. It's going to be £210 this year, then £300, then £430. But the resale value has just plummeted, so we're better off paying the extra £220/year than trading it in.

:cuckoo:
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I too am in the same position with my Jaguar X type. Cheaper to pay the extra tax then trade in. They need to have a good long think about this new taxation before they implement it otherwise they wont be in power long enough to see the revenue from it lol. They are already unpopular enough as it is with out introsucing this hair brained scheme.
 
just you wait till ole golden brown remembers he was going to bring in the breathing tax ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
They go on about all the Co2 emissions from air travel too, but a jumbo jet is actually less polluting (per passenger mile) than a petrol Ford Fiesta :thinking:
 
JumboBeef said:
I have three 4x4s because a/ I need them b/ I want them and c/ they are greener than small throw-away cars.
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JumboBeef said:
I have three 4x4s, all pre-2001 so thankfully they will only cost £180 per year each (never thought I would ever say 'only' £180 :shake: )
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JumboBeef said:
I have three 4x4's, and I need at least two of them where I live/work I do (and when the third gets used, I'm not using either of the other two!)
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JumboBeef said:
I think I will be keeping my current fleet for.......well, ever. Bad enough paying £180 x 3 but I'm not going to pay £440 x 3!
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your posts are a bit vague.. just clear up a couple of things for me.
Do you own any 4x4s?
If so, how many? :)
 
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We're seeing more and more people coming in trying to offload big 4x4s before the taxes go up. Trouble is the prices are already in freefall and they get a real shock when you tell them you don't want to buy it at any money.

Spoke to a guy today who has a year-old LR Freelander diesel which cost the thick-end of £33k. He wants to trade it in for a new BMW and not one of the BMW dealers he went to would give him a price for a trade in. It has dropped £14k already in the last 12 months and it oesn't look as if things will improve much either as it's set to still lose about £1000 a month for a while yet,according to Glass's Guide :bonk:
 
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