Car buyers should have 'long, hard think' about diesel

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wuyanxu said:
Perhaps people would like to enjoy the nicer things in life. Rather than sit in a frost covered car and pray to the ICE gods that is Ford. ;)
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I like to enjoy the nicer things in life. Hence why I don't drive a struggle buggy. ;)
 
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PaulF said:
You either judge a desired temp to be that of a volcano or that car has a fault.

Less than 3 minutes in my diesel. I only ever use the heated seats for a few minutes.
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~3min to start blowing hot air. ~6 min for the car to start feel warm. 10min to reach the desired 22c temperature and hands not feel cold. This is driving on slow ~20mph/stop city traffic.

Of course, straight onto motorway, the warm air does start blowing quickly.

Cobra said:
Now, I wonder where that "Technology" came from :thinking:
Ah yes, its those horrible diesel trucks with sleeper cabs have had that for at 30 years to my knowledge and probably before that to. :)
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It's not even a technology, just a heater installed in the airduct.

But the enabler is the big battery in EV's. You can't do the same in most ICE passenger cars without engine emission poisoning. Sleeper cabs are designed with extra hardware to enable this, if the same trucks are full electric, no extra hardware is needed.
 
Got to ask the question, where does this electric come into all the commercial vehicles ?
We have a fleet of 14 vans and a yard that only has room for 11. Many places have smaller yards
so vans are parked away from the site overnight, Remember that with many smaller firms, vans are
taken home at night by the employees.
So how are these vehicles to be charged ?
At the moment the vans have fuel cards so can be refuelled at various places on route to jobs, who pays for overnight
charging on vans taken home and how are those that don't have spaces in firms yard to be charged up. ?
I know we are talking in the future but there are a lot of problems to overcome before we go all electric

I am in the same position as Byker28i, would have to trail wires across a road to charge a vehicle.

Another point is, you can bet that like with cigarettes, once revenue is lost on Petrol/Diesel there will be a huge tax
imposed elsewhere, wonder what that will be on?
 
nilagin said:
Heated front screens have been around for over 30yrs.
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Yeah -there was the option when I had the screen replaced on the TVR, but it looked unsightly and wasn't original. It wasn't an option on the MX-5 when we bought it new.
I'm not sure I like the wires. I find them distracting. I'm sure you get used to it, but none of my cars have it.
 
Gremlin said:
I am in the same position as Byker28i, would have to trail wires across a road to charge a vehicle.

Another point is, you can bet that like with cigarettes, once revenue is lost on Petrol/Diesel there will be a huge tax
imposed elsewhere, wonder what that will be on?
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It'll be hard to put it on electricity though? I think the average home uses between 3500 - 5000Kw a year, an ev vehicle covering 10K miles is 2500Kw, so say another 5000Kw a year for a families use (20K miles). How do you separate household from car use? put up the price of all electricity?

induction charging plate in the road outside your house so no wires? Slow charging and no guarentee of your parking space?
 
Byker28i said:
It'll be hard to put it on electricity though? I think the average home uses between 3500 - 5000Kw a year, an ev vehicle covering 10K miles is 2500Kw, so say another 5000Kw a year for a families use (20K miles). How do you separate household from car use? put up the price of all electricity?

induction charging plate in the road outside your house so no wires? Slow charging and no guarentee of your parking space?
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Do you really think they will care, they have to claw money back somehow, well unless they increase basic tax on wages

I can guarantee where I park most of the time, but who pays for the induction plate ?
Suppose someone else with an elecrtic car parks where I normally do, would that get charged to me ?
 
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wuyanxu said:
~3min to start blowing hot air. ~6 min for the car to start feel warm. 10min to reach the desired 22c temperature and hands not feel cold.
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Last night when I left work I decided to see how long it would take to get hot air from the heater, I started the car, drove out of the car park onto a 30mph internal road and it was pumping out hot air as I drove out of the gate, probably less than 2 minutes duration. A minute more and I switched the heating off again.
I have a heated steering wheel, not even used it, I did switch it on accidentally once when putting the car into Sport and wondered why my hands were getting hot, doubt it will ever get used on purpose though.
 
Byker28i said:
Yeah -there was the option when I had the screen replaced on the TVR, but it looked unsightly and wasn't original. It wasn't an option on the MX-5 when we bought it new.
I'm not sure I like the wires. I find them distracting. I'm sure you get used to it, but none of my cars have it.
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Only time I notice the wires, is from outside sometimes when cleaning the windscreen, because I am focusing on the windscreen. From inside you shouldn't be focusing on the windscreen but further afield, so you shouldn't really notice the wires then.
 
Very occasionally I notice the wires in my screen but only when the Sun's low and at a slight angle from head on. Not at all distracting though and a real boon on frosty mornings. Not tried the Leaf's preheat timer yet.
 
wuyanxu said:
It's not even a technology,
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Well it certainly was back in the day and someone made a lot of money from it too no doubt.
Just because things have moved on at rapid rate its not to say, back in the day, its not technology (But not as we know it Jim ;) )

Nod said:
Very occasionally I notice the wires in my screen
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I used to see the wires in "my" Mondeo Ghia x particularly when driving into the sun and wearing polarising sun glasses.
But that was I guess, about 20 years ago, hopefully its "better" now though..
 
I miss my old Citroen 2CV6 - warm air from the exhaust just a minute after starting the engine, but none of this girlie heated seats nonsense. ;)

As for heated screens, not taking a pop at anyone but I find the wires in Ford screens REALLY intrusive, and wouldn't have one - last time I drove one was 4 years ago. My wife's mini (2012) has a heated screen too, but they don't seem so bad in that.
 
I quite like the idea of the newer cars using the heat generated from the battery pack to feed back into the heating system/climate control.
 
I can't for the life of me remember and slightly different, but I do recall a newish car which can use the heat from the engine bay or something to keep the cabin warm for something like 15 minutes after the engine is turned off. Possibly one of the flagship German makes but can't remember.
 
gman said:
I can't for the life of me remember and slightly different, but I do recall a newish car which can use the heat from the engine bay or something to keep the cabin warm for something like 15 minutes after the engine is turned off. Possibly one of the flagship German makes but can't remember.
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My ten year old BMW does that, unless you're referring to a very particular and modern way of doing so.
 
Ian W said:
My ten year old BMW does that, unless you're referring to a very particular and modern way of doing so.
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Could have been the latest 7 series then, it was being punted as some new form of tech.
 
ancient_mariner said:
I miss my old Citroen 2CV6 - warm air from the exhaust just a minute after starting the engine, but none of this girlie heated seats nonsense. ;)

As for heated screens, not taking a pop at anyone but I find the wires in Ford screens REALLY intrusive, and wouldn't have one - last time I drove one was 4 years ago. My wife's mini (2012) has a heated screen too, but they don't seem so bad in that.
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The ONLY good thing about the 2CV family was the way you can remove the rear seats and use them as a sofa on the beach. Mine (Dyane 6) set its heat exchanger pipes alight - should have let the bloody thing burn out.
 
gman said:
I can't for the life of me remember and slightly different, but I do recall a newish car which can use the heat from the engine bay or something to keep the cabin warm for something like 15 minutes after the engine is turned off. Possibly one of the flagship German makes but can't remember.
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Mercedes "rest" button, been around at least ten years as my '08 had it, kept cabin temp for up to half an hr after engine off, handy if parked up waiting for someone in winter.
Not a unique feature though.
 
Mr Bump said:
spin it any way you like, more companies out there will already be making the same decisions, diesel is dead it has no future.
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You might want to tell that to the road freight industry.
Despite Musk's drug addled ramblings, his e-trucks are a long way from reality.
 
viv1969 said:
You might want to tell that to the road freight industry.
Despite Musk's drug addled ramblings, his e-trucks are a long way from reality.
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I couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the HGV industry its one of the most polluting out there, it will have to adapt and embrace new technologies or suffer.
 
Mr Bump said:
I couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the HGV industry its one of the most polluting out there, it will have to adapt and embrace new technologies or suffer.
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Oh well, as long as you don't care.. Someone snap their fingers and make all haulage and public transport electric.

Any consideration for the consumer and the knock ons?
 
neil_g said:
Oh well, as long as you don't care.. Someone snap their fingers and make all haulage and public transport electric.

Any consideration for the consumer and the knock ons?
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nope, I haven't Neil as I have said many times people need to realise the environment is going to cost more and that includes everyone.
 
gman said:
I can't for the life of me remember and slightly different, but I do recall a newish car which can use the heat from the engine bay or something to keep the cabin warm for something like 15 minutes after the engine is turned off. Possibly one of the flagship German makes but can't remember.
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I seem to recall that steam trains used to have that facility...
 
Mr Bump said:
I couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the HGV industry its one of the most polluting out there, it will have to adapt and embrace new technologies or suffer.
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You’re still more than happy to buy the goods they transport around the country though. Hypocrisy in the extreme. Typical environmentalist.
 
Gaz J said:
You’re still more than happy to buy the goods they transport around the country though. Hypocrisy in the extreme. Typical environmentalist.
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of course I am but that doesn't mean I want change, I'm not an environmentalist I am a realist, the pollution in areas of this country is awful.
we ALL have a responsibility
 
Mr Bump said:
I couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the HGV industry its one of the most polluting out there, it will have to adapt and embrace new technologies or suffer.
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You said diesel has no future.
I corrected you.
Cars aren't the be all and end all.
 
We are all responsible, but I find that many of these people who perversely enjoy berating the UK for anything and everything are also buying iPhones, iMacs and various other products from certain countries, which does stink of hypocrisy when you consider that China produces over 29% of the world's CO2, the USA is over 14%, the EU is over 9% and India comes in at almost 7% whereas the UK is just 1%. Then there's all the other issues which some of these countries have such as child-labour, real poverty, slavery, serious corruption and organised crime etc. But that still doesn't stop them buying their shiny new toy.

As usual with these self appointed gobsh*tes, they won't put their money where their big mouths are.
 
Mr Bump said:
nope, I haven't Neil as I have said many times people need to realise the environment is going to cost more and that includes everyone.
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So having just replaced your car, why didn't you buy an EV?
 
nilagin said:
So having just replaced your car, why didn't you buy an EV?
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When I was growing up ( many years ago now ;) and yes I failed miserably :D )
My Dad was very fond of saying, "Don't do as I do, do as I say"
It seems to be the mantra of quite a few people on social media sites ;)
 
Mr Bump said:
I couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the HGV industry its one of the most polluting out there, it will have to adapt and embrace new technologies or suffer.
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What about the huge container ships, which each put out more harmful emmissions than thousands of cars? And then you have the cruise ships? Maybe nuclear power - like the USS Nimitz - is the answer, but all the greens seem to hate that as well.
Nuclear powered aircraft anyone/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_aircraft
 
andy700 said:
What about the huge container ships, which each put out more harmful emmissions than thousands of cars? And then you have the cruise ships? Maybe nuclear power - like the USS Nimitz - is the answer, but all the greens seem to hate that as well.
Nuclear powered aircraft anyone/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_aircraft
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There are already smaller electric boats in production. The Electric Ferry in Norway and the so-called 'Tesla' barges in the Netherlands are a good indicator of what the future will hold. At first, it'll be smaller ships doing shorter journeys, but it will scale up as tech improves. Hybrid shipping isn't far away and it's not implausible to imagine fully electric container ships in our lifetimes.
 
Isn't there something about salt water which is related to electricity somehow and being able to produce energy? I'm sure I've read something on this before.
 
gman said:
I can't for the life of me remember and slightly different, but I do recall a newish car which can use the heat from the engine bay or something to keep the cabin warm for something like 15 minutes after the engine is turned off. Possibly one of the flagship German makes but can't remember.
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Fibreglass cars? My old espace was awful in summer (no aircon) like a greenhouse. The TVR is similar only I have a big 4.2 litre petrol heater in the front. Great on these cold mornings though :D
 
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