Capture one vs lightroom

FYI - I recently jumped ship from LR to C1. I think, especially with the fuji RAW files c1 is a better processor and `I've yet to fin anything LR can do c1 can't
Your not looking very hard then, just wasted several minutes of my life looking at C1 only to find that it will NOT make pano's. Lightroom does this with ease and I use this feature a lot so C1 no good to me.
 
Your not looking very hard then, just wasted several minutes of my life looking at C1 only to find that it will NOT make pano's. Lightroom does this with ease and I use this feature a lot so C1 no good to me.

where as that’s a feature I never use, the feathered shooting options are far better and important to me
 
Your not looking very hard then, just wasted several minutes of my life looking at C1 only to find that it will NOT make pano's. Lightroom does this with ease and I use this feature a lot so C1 no good to me.
It will with the December release. Not that I think it should, but many people have asked for it.
 
It will with the December release. Not that I think it should, but many people have asked for it.
Curious, why do you think that it shouldn't merge images when the developer is adding it due to demand?? I would rather have software with features that I don't use (but might) than have software that is missing something that I want to use on a regular basis.
 
Curious, why do you think that it shouldn't merge images when the developer is adding it due to demand?? I would rather have software with features that I don't use (but might) than have software that is missing something that I want to use on a regular basis.
This was a throw away line I shouldn't have thrown away :-(

Capture One started out as an alternative to ACR, before Lightroom existed and its focus was on producing the best possible raw conversion in preparation for editing files in Photoshop. Although there are some nuances to this (linked to Phase One cameras and tethering), the reason people paid for C1 was the quality of the raw processing.

As C1 added new releases, it improved on the raw processing quality, added features that made sense to have available before moving to Photoshop, and improved the round tripping to Photoshop. When Lightroom (and Aperture) was released there was a small move towards competing with LR, but there was still an obvious underlying philosophy of it being a raw processor you used with Photoshop. A feature of C1 tutorials was they would nearly always mention when tasks would be better done in PS (or more recently Affinity Photo).

With Adobe going subscription and C1 making a better job of Fuji files than Adobe (several of the C1 engineers were Fuji users, and all the C1 staff were keen photographers), there was an obvious big increase in C1 users from Adobe refugees. Suddenly the forums were full of people who wanted C1 to become some sort of Lightroom clone, rather than a limited feature, but tightly focussed, raw converter/processor to be used with Photoshop.

Since this change, technical support has gone from being absolutely excellent, to all but collapsed, core raw processing features such as noise reduction and sharpening has fallen behind the competition, and bugs and minor, but important, user interface issues haven't been addressed, specially in terms of the database. It "feels" as if, for many of us, the core reasons behind why we paid a premium price to get c1, are being abandoned to appease new customers who seem to want C1 to become a LR clone.

Obviously C1 needs a product that will attract new customers and they need to respond to what customers ask for. They also have a new R&D department set up in Greece which haas massively increased their development staff, so maybe the new features haven't impacted as much on improving old features, as much as some of us think. And, in truth the new features are nice to have, it's just I would rather they refined and fixed, the existing features before adding new ones. Polls on a C1 face book group in terms of the Panorama, HDR and focus stacking features suggest that around 50% of users (based on a obviously limited poll) would rather c1 improved existing features, rather than add new features. But that doesn't make for good marketing, and my guess is the vast majority of the people wanting existing features improved are long term users unlikely to move back to LR.

As regards the Pano feature, I round trip to Photoshop (it isn't as easy to round trip toAffinity Photo) on the occasions I've been experimenting with Panos. I've also experimented with the trial of PTGui and I find the results from PTGui to be so much better than PS or AP that unless C1 models their algorithms on PTGui, any serious pano work would force me into buying PTGui anyway. Having said that it could just be that I still have more to learn on using PS/AP for making Panos.

Sorry for how long this is, as I said it was a throw away line I shouldn't thrown away !
 
Your not looking very hard then, just wasted several minutes of my life looking at C1 only to find that it will NOT make pano's. Lightroom does this with ease and I use this feature a lot so C1 no good to me.

The pano/merge feature is the one that I miss most using C1.

But that said while the LR pano handling is generally OK I find that it doesn't offer enough control. The main thing with having the pano/merge facility inbuilt is convenience.But it's not necessarily a deal breaker as you can do it using external tools.

I have shifted to C1 over the last 18 months but I still use LR. My preference is for C1. I don't find C1 any cheaper than LR subscription if you upgrade every year.

I found getting used to LR a few years ago quite hard - so took the view when trailling C1 that it was just another version of the same learning curve.

My initial reason for going the C1 route was because of the better raw handling. TBH I haven't actually found processing Fuji files in LR a problem so that was a bit of a red herring for me when it came to the initial motivation.

What I did find moving to C1 was that I preferred the colour handling - and I generally find the tools a bit more subtle. So I gradually moved all my new image processing to it.

- Downsides - no pano stitching in C1 - and while I thought LR's printing wasn't great I think printing in C1 is neglected.

- Upsides - C1 has layers - I don't like switching to Photoshop and I think C1 has this just about right in terms of functonality - and I like the way that adding grads or the enhancement brushes works with the layers. I prefer C1s perspective/keystoning tools. I also liked the colour handling selection and wheels. My experience of performance in LR has been that ithasn't been great (quirky and odd at times).

- Neutral - C1 and LR have different ideas as to the implementation adjustments such as clarity, dehaze, shadows. I never committed to LR or C1 for digital asset management. LR includes Photoshop on the CC subscrtiption - brilliant value if you use it - but find with C1 that I haven't used PS for months.

Judging by the changes Adobe has made on the colour controls in LR then I think they are watching C1 and when something works well in C1 they will look at incorporating it. In that sense the existence of C1 with an active community provides a bit of healthy competition to LR and means Adobe is a bit less inclined to just sit back and do very little and just rake in the subscriptions.

Living with just one of them? I'd go for C1. I have renewed my LR subscription again - though I could probably drop it.

I have some sympathy with other vendors - it's a hard market to crack because of the time ands commitment involved in switching. I have briefly dabbled with DXO a few years back but just didn't get on with it (and lack of Fuji support means I haven't looked at it again). I have a copy of Affinity that is used occasionally. I have thought about looking at ON1 and Skylum but not had the time.
 
Dryce hit it on the head with one word "convenience" LR does everything I want it to do in one package, I suppose it's horses for courses, I have tried other editing software offerings over the years but none of them suits me as well as LR seems to.

A lot of people say that LR does not handle Fuji files very well, I currently shoot an X-T3 and although the files appear to be subtly different to those of Nikon I personally cannot see too much difference in terms of quality, a slightly different look to them like my Sigma DP2 M files which needs a slightly different approach on the sliders.

I'm a happy LR user and will continue to be so I'm sure.
 
Dryce hit it on the head with one word "convenience" LR does everything I want it to do in one package, I suppose it's horses for courses, I have tried other editing software offerings over the years but none of them suits me as well as LR seems to.

The Adobe subscription is also a lot cheaper than C1, if you feel the need to keep C1 up to date. And C1 aren't as good as Adobe at keeping older versions updated (e.g. updating the raw conversion engine)
 
I have just tried the free trial of C1, and I didn't find it at all intuitive to use. Not saying that you will all have the same issue, but I guess its a bit like going from Apple to Android. I don't think I will be keeping C1.
 
I have just tried the free trial of C1, and I didn't find it at all intuitive to use. Not saying that you will all have the same issue, but I guess its a bit like going from Apple to Android. I don't think I will be keeping C1.

C1 is a lot more complex than LR, and certainly difficult to"just use", especially if you try and use it like LR. I don't think you can avoid spending time watching the excellent youtube tutorials available from C1 and from others such as Paul Reiffer (some are aimed at LR users). One of the issues, I think, is that C1 probably has a philosophy more like Photoshop than Lightroom, not that C1 is a Photoshop replacement.

As an example of the complexity, C1 offers you four different ways of managing files. A referenced catalogue (as with LR), a managed catalogue ( as with Aperture), Sessions (which is a project based approach) and simply as a browser. And, some sliders with the same name do different things in C1 compared to LR. I don't think the 30 day trial is long enough to properly grasp the benefits of C1.

But, once you get used to the flexibility and the ability to customise your workflow in C1, LR feels very clunky and it’s the workflow that keeps me with C1 more than any other aspect of it.

Having talked about the difficulty in learning C1. I've used LR since it was in beta, and I immediately took to C1.
 
C1 is certainly more versatile than Lightroom because of layers but it's more complicated, too. I don't work with RAWs a lot so can't be much of a help herebut for the most basic editing I usually use Photoworks which is my go to editor, too. Here is their page dedicated to editing raw images, maybe check it out and see if it suits you.
 
How did I know that already?
That's pretty much the only stuff I use frequently so no wonder :ROFLMAO: Same goes to Lightroom Mobile but I wouldn't call using certain presets a deep editing, that's why I don't really talk about it or recommend it.
 
But you work for AMS Software or their marketing agents? Why else the constant mentions and links?
Because that's pretty much the only photo editing software that I use frequently (aside from mobile apps like Picsart etc). I see where you come from but being a preschool teacher doesn't leave me a lot of time for learning more sophisticated programs, that's why I stick to something I started with while slowly giving a try to other stuff. Photography isn't my main job, it's a hobby picked up during college times and under no circumstances would I call myself a professional. Still, I learned a lot from this forum, so I hope to contribute to it a bit, too. If you find it inappropriate though, report the message above to the mods.
Besides, and I say it meaning no offense to TP, I've been around for almost 2 years and the number of people participating in discussions here has been more or less the same and never too big, so I don't really see how this forum could be attractive to any market researchers or similar, sorry :D
 
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