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Simple question really...

Have they had their day, or is it a case of Togs charging far too much for them??
 
I think they are a commodity item and so people will be not be willing to pay as much for them.

As always, people will say 'I could get a canvas from vistaprint for £40, why are you charging XX'
 
They have always been too expensive

They have always been rubbish in terms of IQ

They have always been a fashion accesory

the public are weak minded fools so charge lots :lol:


scoff said:
Simple question really...

Have they had their day, or is it a case of Togs charging far too much for them??
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lazer chikkin said:
I think they are a commodity item and so people will be not be willing to pay as much for them.

As always, people will say 'I could get a canvas from vistaprint for £40, why are you charging XX'
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Because they cant get it with an image I've taken on it!! :)
 
or perhaps too many £9.99 deals on Groupon - and thats what folks they they should pay...?
 
snappingsam said:
or perhaps too many £9.99 deals on Groupon - and thats what folks they they should pay...?
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If you can get an item of the quality you desire for price £X, why pay more?

It doesn't require insurance (i.e. like a warranty on a car, you might go for a make with better aftersales).

Personally, I am very happy with the canvases I have purchased at their full retail cost of £20
I have only just had them a year admittedly, but apart from the fact they collect dust, I can see no discernible difference to the day they were bought.

Trouble is, my walls are now saturated. Probably won't buy another for at least 6 months-1 year, possibly not until I move house.

The £10 deals will help to saturate the market.

I think that over-priced canvases have had their day. Now 'everyone' has a camera, and can get canvases made at 'reasonable' (to me £20 for ~A2 is) cost, it will be difficult in most circumstances to justify attempting to charge £80.
 
coldpenguin said:
If you can get an item of the quality you desire for price £X, why pay more?

It doesn't require insurance (i.e. like a warranty on a car, you might go for a make with better aftersales).

Personally, I am very happy with the canvases I have purchased at their full retail cost of £20
I have only just had them a year admittedly, but apart from the fact they collect dust, I can see no discernible difference to the day they were bought.

Trouble is, my walls are now saturated. Probably won't buy another for at least 6 months-1 year, possibly not until I move house.

The £10 deals will help to saturate the market.

I think that over-priced canvases have had their day. Now 'everyone' has a camera, and can get canvases made at 'reasonable' (to me £20 for ~A2 is) cost, it will be difficult in most circumstances to justify attempting to charge £80.
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Blimey, £80 for a canvas is not unreasonable... I was referring to those who are charging £300+ for a 20x30 canvas! Which I can sell for £60 in good profit....
 
hey guys, imjust looking around at my current options for these.
Where is the best place for the best quality? (and of course for the best price).
I looked at photobox and see a big price difference between their so called 'classic'and 'premiuim'.
Would there be as big a difference in quality between the two as they make out?
 
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Photo box seem WELL expensive. Double what I pay for top quality canvases...
 
I think the thing with canvasses is that you could get an alright photo printed on them and it would still look quite good. The texture and its wall presence hides things like sharpness.

So, Mr Man takes a snap on his p&s, pays his £20 to snapmad or wherever and thinks to himself well this looks great, now why would I want to pay a professional £xxx for the same?
 
I've no doubt that popularity of canvasses will wane, if it isn't already.

Bespoke canvasses are now getting very cheap and pre-printed ones are on every market stall and in every surpermarket around.
 
cw318is said:
I think the thing with canvasses is that you could get an alright photo printed on them and it would still look quite good. The texture and its wall presence hides things like sharpness.

So, Mr Man takes a snap on his p&s, pays his £20 to snapmad or wherever and thinks to himself well this looks great, now why would I want to pay a professional £xxx for the same?
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This and the cheap deals on them made them popular I think. I'm not a big fan of them myself, the next big thing is probably going to be acrylic and printing on aluminium etc.
 
Booked a baby portrait session today for a client wanting a canvas wrap, so there is still interest in them, but many prefer mdf wraps and acrylics as the images do reproduce better imo.

Christmas is still the busiest time of year for canvas sales and are perfect gifts for the older generation.
 
coldpenguin said:
If you can get an item of the quality you desire for price £X, why pay more?

It doesn't require insurance (i.e. like a warranty on a car, you might go for a make with better aftersales).

Personally, I am very happy with the canvases I have purchased at their full retail cost of £20
I have only just had them a year admittedly, but apart from the fact they collect dust, I can see no discernible difference to the day they were bought.

Trouble is, my walls are now saturated. Probably won't buy another for at least 6 months-1 year, possibly not until I move house.

The £10 deals will help to saturate the market.

I think that over-priced canvases have had their day. Now 'everyone' has a camera, and can get canvases made at 'reasonable' (to me £20 for ~A2 is) cost, it will be difficult in most circumstances to justify attempting to charge £80.
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Hi,

New here and this is my first post.

I run my own large format print business catering for canvases aswell as paper prints and digital wallpaper.

With regards to canvas prints. Yes the market is saturated no doubt. However, there is a massive difference in quality that reflects in the price. You can get canvases dirt cheap £20 or the like for an A2, but you can rest assured that the type of canvas, inks, wood used are poor quality.

I use the Canon IPF8000 with Lucia Inks, 415gsm 100% cotton canvas and properly bevelled kiln dried redwood. So my prices are not the cheapest, but you get decent quality.

Its like most things i suppose, you can buy crap or pay more for quality. Unfortunately most people are unaware of the different levels of quality that make up a canvas, so they see a cheap price and think it will be just as good as something twice as much.
 
drubber77 said:
Hi,

New here and this is my first post.

I run my own large format print business catering for canvases aswell as paper prints and digital wallpaper.

With regards to canvas prints. Yes the market is saturated no doubt. However, there is a massive difference in quality that reflects in the price. You can get canvases dirt cheap £20 or the like for an A2, but you can rest assured that the type of canvas, inks, wood used are poor quality.

I use the Canon IPF8000 with Lucia Inks, 415gsm 100% cotton canvas and properly bevelled kiln dried redwood. So my prices are not the cheapest, but you get decent quality.

Its like most things i suppose, you can buy crap or pay more for quality. Unfortunately most people are unaware of the different levels of quality that make up a canvas, so they see a cheap price and think it will be just as good as something twice as much.
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100% agree. That is where the client education comes in to the equation. I only supply the best products that I would be happy to have in my own home. I do have a have stapled one just to show clients the difference.

I sold one last night of a newborn family shot. They are still a welcome addition to my wall art range, if not as cutting edge as acrylic panels.
 
drubber77 said:
Hi,

New here and this is my first post.

I run my own large format print business catering for canvases aswell as paper prints and digital wallpaper.

With regards to canvas prints. Yes the market is saturated no doubt. However, there is a massive difference in quality that reflects in the price. You can get canvases dirt cheap £20 or the like for an A2, but you can rest assured that the type of canvas, inks, wood used are poor quality.

I use the Canon IPF8000 with Lucia Inks, 415gsm 100% cotton canvas and properly bevelled kiln dried redwood. So my prices are not the cheapest, but you get decent quality.

Its like most things i suppose, you can buy crap or pay more for quality. Unfortunately most people are unaware of the different levels of quality that make up a canvas, so they see a cheap price and think it will be just as good as something twice as much.
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there is also a massive difference in what a client thinks too. the canvases I've made for myself use cheap stretcher bars, eBay cotton canvas and printed using my R2400. they have been on the wall for years with no cracking, rippling or fade.

I see no reason to pay more for the same product.


having tried a significant amount of canvases ( I used to talk at camera clubs about papers etc ) I am yet to see any difference from my cheap canvas compared to the likes of hahnemuhle, Epson or innova. you may well see a difference when you look under a lupe but nothing at normal viewing distance.

yes buy a product that is of good quality but that does not mean lots of money to get it.
 
POAH said:
there is also a massive difference in what a client thinks too. the canvases I've made for myself use cheap stretcher bars, eBay cotton canvas and printed using my R2400. they have been on the wall for years with no cracking, rippling or fade.

I see no reason to pay more for the same product.


having tried a significant amount of canvases ( I used to talk at camera clubs about papers etc ) I am yet to see any difference from my cheap canvas compared to the likes of hahnemuhle, Epson or innova. you may well see a difference when you look under a lupe but nothing at normal viewing distance.

yes buy a product that is of good quality but that does not mean lots of money to get it.
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I would not class your description as being the cheap end of canvases. The cheap canvases are usually made using a polyester material that does retain its stretch for very long. The wood isn't bevelled so the material will sink into the frame. Also, you would certainly see a difference in image quality between using an 8 and a 12 colour printer if the image was rich in colour, even from a distance.
 
Clients have got to realise that the image is also being paid for. A significant part of the cost of a 30x20 canvas/acrylic/framed print is the image. A Monet is not valued on the cost of the frame/canvas/paint is it ?

I also will only use what I feel to be top quality suppliers as I want people to go "Wow" when the see my work on the wall of my clients as that is what generates word of mouth referrals.

I personally think that certain images look better on canvas than others. Where definition and detail matters canvas is a poor choice, where it is colour and composition canvas can still look great.

It might only take me 1/250th of a second to take a picture, but the skill is in the framing, the aperture I sue, the way I use the camera and the investment I have made in the equipment.

The story I like that goes some way to explain this is about a small prairie town in the US. The one co-operatively owned windmill breaks down. The whole town comes to a halt and they are desperate to fix it. They call the expert who comes out, looks at the mill, climbs up a ladder and hits it once with a hammer. The mill starts working perfectly again.

He then presents an invoice for $1000. The towns people question it and so he itemises it:

For fixing windmill - $10
For knowing how to fix windmill - $990
 
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