Cant use flash at skatepark incase of epileptics?
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If he threatened to throw you out of the park I would have called the police and have him up for using threatening behaviour. Unless it clearly states on the entrance that no flash photography allowed then all he can do is advise you to stop using your flashgun and give a reasonable reason to do so.
To many petty officials have no training in how to address a problem and think they can just bully people about.
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To many petty officials have no training in how to address a problem and think they can just bully people about.
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Thats sounds like it, right on the river bank if memory serves me.
i agree with you that plenty of people have a bad day or are just generally unpleasant, but its not really worth following up on when there are other places to go, and actually standing there and doing it in front of him might prompt further beligerant behavior, and if its staff on private premesis they -do- have the right to remove you, especially given prior warning, so youd immediatly be liable for trespass and/or the sum total of any 'retaliation' he can think of that you might have done
best to be careful if there is no pressing reason to do otherwise
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The photographer had entered private property in the form of the skatepark and attempted to take photos of people who it has never been stated knew the photographer or had given their permission. That is actually neither here nor there as the photographer was asked to leave the private property by the landowner or an authorised employee thereof.
Any kind of resistance would quite possibly have quite rightly led to the photographer being physically removed from the park (the park likely have security staffed trained and licensed to do this) and having his equipment similarly ejected after him.
There's a time and a place to stand your ground but when photographing on private property without prior permission that is not it.
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That spot on South Bank is a good find, however, it is normally drenched in photogs trying to get a shot.
I'd suggest going v early to avoid standing shoulder to shoulder with every tom, dick and harry.
I'd suggest going v early to avoid standing shoulder to shoulder with every tom, dick and harry.
exactly, you have to be realistic about things - but even having said that, if it is private property, no reason to even be taking a stand
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I Wonder.
As far as I am aware there are not many "no flash photography" signs next to roads (for example). I would hope that for most people it would be common sense as to do so may cause distraction and possibly an incident (note I do not say accident).
This facility presumably has been set up for the skaters primarilly. I would hope that if people who wanted to take pictures in considerate way they would be welcome, but it seems a bit off to potentially cause danger to them.
A little consideration and common sense is a wonderful thing.
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I Wonder.
As far as I am aware there are not many "no flash photography" signs next to roads (for example). I would hope that for most people it would be common sense as to do so may cause distraction and possibly an incident (note I do not say accident).
This facility presumably has been set up for the skaters primarilly. I would hope that if people who wanted to take pictures in considerate way they would be welcome, but it seems a bit off to potentially cause danger to them.
A little consideration and common sense is a wonderful thing.
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So where does that leave speed cameras....
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The OP stated that he was "threatened" not "asked" to leave which is a completely different matter
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Quote from OP "Went down to Cantelowes skatepark in Camden today to get a few shots for my uni project, and was told to pack all of my flash lighting equipment away as there not allowed on the skatepark incase anyone was epileptic?!?!" unquote
He wasn't asked if someone using the skate park wanted some photos taken, the official assumed without ascertaining first. Also he was told, not asked, to pack up his gear for an obscure reason and just to throw his weight about.
Also there is the arguement about the place being private if the general public are allowed to use it, but that has been bought up in other threads.
I have had, on my private business premises, people wandering in without a business connection and deal with it in a completely different way.
First you never "tell" someone what to do, this immediately get a persons back up, you gently explain they are on private property and ask what their interest is for being there.
After having a chat about anything and everything I have yet not to get an apology and generally a wave goodbye as well.
A friendly conversation starting with "can I help you" works far more wonders than anything else under such circumstances
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He wasn't asked if someone using the skate park wanted some photos taken, the official assumed without ascertaining first. Also he was told, not asked, to pack up his gear for an obscure reason and just to throw his weight about.
Also there is the arguement about the place being private if the general public are allowed to use it, but that has been bought up in other threads.
I have had, on my private business premises, people wandering in without a business connection and deal with it in a completely different way.
First you never "tell" someone what to do, this immediately get a persons back up, you gently explain they are on private property and ask what their interest is for being there.
After having a chat about anything and everything I have yet not to get an apology and generally a wave goodbye as well.
A friendly conversation starting with "can I help you" works far more wonders than anything else under such circumstances
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legally its private property if its owned by a private individual or organisation. unless you mean council owned, but it sounds like a private affair to me. could be wrong though.
i agree that whoever came over and handled it had no idea what he was doing, and went about it the entirely wrong way - and yes, it does sound like throwing his weight around for the sake of it.
i get the feeling you might have taken my last post as some sort of defense - i just meant whether or not it was phrased pleasantly, the meaning is the same, and it has the same end result
end of the day it -is- private property, unless it isent, but the name sounds it to me, and unfortunatly some people are unpleasant to deal with, even if they arent looking for excuses to throw their weight around
also, conversationally, most people refer to being asked to not do something from someone with authority as being told, from my experience, anyway, even if the person -was- being pleasant
i agree that whoever came over and handled it had no idea what he was doing, and went about it the entirely wrong way - and yes, it does sound like throwing his weight around for the sake of it.
i get the feeling you might have taken my last post as some sort of defense - i just meant whether or not it was phrased pleasantly, the meaning is the same, and it has the same end result
end of the day it -is- private property, unless it isent, but the name sounds it to me, and unfortunatly some people are unpleasant to deal with, even if they arent looking for excuses to throw their weight around
also, conversationally, most people refer to being asked to not do something from someone with authority as being told, from my experience, anyway, even if the person -was- being pleasant
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There's no argument. The skatepark is private property. The owner happens to be Camden Council but it's still private property. The skatepark is staffed and maintained by the land owner. The landowner's (council's) website states the park is supervised but used at own risk ie the staff there aren't coaches, they are there to make sure there's no antisocial behaviour, vandalism etc and probably to ensure that the place is maintained ie no broken glass at the bottom of the bowls etc. Thus it provides a relatively (but by no means entirely) secure and safe location where a variety of ages of user can do their sport. If the landowner or their appointed staff members feel that uninvited photographers (or for that matter, photographers that were invited by the users rather than owners of the park) are not conducive to that safety and/or security they are perfectly within their rights to remove them from the premises. The difference between being asked to leave and being threatened and told to leave should be the only thing up for debate.
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That's the only part I'd disagree with. I'm pretty sure that there's no right of public access to a piece of land or property just because it is council owned.
Think about schools, swimming pools, yards where council vehicles are stored, the public have no right of access to these places.
Edit: As stated in the first post on this page, public parks are usually council owned and the public are given the right of free access.
It'd be interesting to find out just how much of a right that free access to parkland is and I'm sure that it only applies in very specific areas/under very specific land usage terms.
Look at it another way, the public have no right of access to the cash office of the local authority leisure centre just because the land and property are owned by the council, they are granted access to the appropriate areas of the property by the owner/council.
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when i said 'council owned' i meant in specific relation to the situation, since i wasent entirely sure whether it was a private pay to use skatepark or some sort of local council affair. private property is private property, council or not, but im fairly sure if its a local park the rules are generally pretty lax, though im sure that isent a legal requirement
pretty sure that if you have the right of public access that only covers getting in, they can still kick you out, but im trying to speculate on whether its actually in the councils rule set or whether its just some staff member having a bad day
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Fair enough.
I've shot in unsupervised council parks and private (non-council) parks and never had any problems. I have always been riding/shooting with friends though.
I may actually have been in one park similar to Cantelowes, outdoor, council owned, supervised. They were quite tight on the rules about helmets n that.
I've been in the local unsupervised council owned park when there's been things happening that are in obvious contravention to the posted rules and park rangers from the park that this skatepark is located within have passed by and not cared so would agree with what you say about the rules being lax.
What I would say though is that once you accept that private property is private property, council or not, then there's little point in considering whether the rules about no flash photography exist or it was just a staff member was having a bad day. If it's private property the owner or appointed representative can remove you/request that you remove yourself for whatever reason they like.
If the OP really believes he was wronged he could take up the matter with the council but I'd speculate that as it'd be a case of one person's word against another's, he wouldn't get very far and may in fact do himself more harm than good in relation to gaining access to council owned property to do photography in future.
i agree, its more curiosity than anything
however, if he was reasonably pleasant about it, i doubt itd harm his efforts. reasonably possibility of being redundant, though
id just query the rule stating one of the staff had said it wasent allowed, worst theyl do is confirm, best, you have a printed email he probably wont question, and if he does, well, then that IS merit for getting the council involved
win-win if you play it right
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So where does that leave speed cameras....
---Pointing at the back of the vehicle or using infra-red flashes on the newer ones.
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Did not read the last page . But as it is quite fast sport you would be shooting on drive and multi flash surely? so that will be 3 to 5 flash bursts a time... Rare that anyone fires one shoot at a. time. So maybe they have a point. when I did press work I fire a burst with strobe flash. 4/5 frames a second.
With skate park you would should shot bursts or you could miss the shot.
With skate park you would should shot bursts or you could miss the shot.
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I've tried shooting bmx on burst and even when I ad the D3 I'd rarely get the timing right.
I found it a lot easier to judge the timing myself, maybe do a couple test runs so you can get dialled in but riders will usually have a couple attempts before they pull a trick anyway. Shooting friends rather than strangers helps as you can just ask/tell them to redo something.
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Pointing at the back of vehicles going in one direction, facing the ones going the other way and on busy roads close to pedestrians(and skateboarders).
