Can't decide between 60D and the D7000!

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As title really.

I like the 60D a lot on paper. And I REALLY like the D7000 on paper, but the overiding factor seems to be that when I pick up either camera, I always feel more comfortable with the 60D. I like the layout on the top of the 60D and it seems easier to find my way round the menus and controls.

My head says get the 60D, but my heart says the D7000!
 
....I like the 60D a lot on paper. And I REALLY like the D7000 on paper, but the overiding factor seems to be that when I pick up either camera, I always feel more comfortable with the 60D. I like the layout on the top of the 60D and it seems easier to find my way round the menus and controls.

My head says get the 60D, but my heart says the D7000!


Go for the Canon - you like it a lot on paper - feels more comfy - you like the layout - brain says 60D.... Seems to me that you have already answered your own question..
 
Ignore what you've read about the D7000, if you feel like this. What do you like and dislike about it, when you're holding it in your hands? Have you had a chance to use one, even a demo model? Does the 60D "beat" it in these tests? Buy the one you feel better about, and don't stress too much about it. It's only a camera, and you can change brands if you really think you've made a mistake, albeit at a cost.
 
Hi MartynK. I've had a chance to use both in my local Jessops. I like both cameras a lot, but I just prefer the overall spec of the Nikon.

But...the Nikon feels a little too cramped when I hold it. The 60D is wider and has a bigger grip which is more comfortable for me. And I like the 60D's button layout (especially on the top of the camera).

They're both cracking cameras, and either would do me proud. Price isn't an issue either as they are both around £1k with kit lens.
 
Sounds like the 60D to me then Jonathan given your last post, the Nikon is going to feel even more cramped after an hour or two

Just to throw another suggestion in, have you tried the Nikon 300S, picked one up just out of curiosity, it felt much more comfortable and I agree with you about the D7000

Must say the 60D didn't feel that much better, but was totally convinced by the Canon 7D, just right for me although sorry to introduce a dearer model into the mix
 
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If the kit lens is going to feature in any way in your decision, try them out and research them - go to http://www.photozone.de and look at the lens reviews...

When I got my D7000 I didn't have to bother with the kit lens - for starters, I was upgrading from a Nikon D70 so I already had one... but I found myself getting a much better everyday lens within a few weeks anyway...

As for what got me into Nikons in the first place - I just preferred the way that the Nikon felt side by side with the equivalent Canon at the time - it felt more intuitive. And when the digitals came out, I felt comfortable with the Nikon menu system. That kind of thing ought to feature in your decision as well - it's you that's going to have to use it day by day...
 
I think you're - sort of - answering you own question Jonathan, and that's the way it should be. Choosing a camera is very subjective, and no-one else can really tell you which one to pick.

Just to give you some background. I used Nikon (F2 and FM) in the film days, and still have them, and I was living in South Africa when I decided to buy a DSLR. All photographic gear is expensive in SA - and Nikon is even more overpriced than the competition - but the D200 was about to come out and I fancied one. I couldn't really afford it, but thought I could "make a plan" (SA expression), and justify it on the grounds that my lenses would fit and meter on it. Anyway, my dealer told me he was expecting 10 bodies, and thought they would go quickly, but he promised to keep me one if I was interested. The cameras arrived, he called me, and I went to look at one but he wouldn't even open the box. "No, there's a waiting list and you buy unseen, or not at all". I told him to forget it, waited a while and bought a 30D after it was discontinued, with the 17-85mm kit lens, for less than 50% of what the D200 body cost. I'm still using it, and it's a great camera.

Do I regret that I didn't buy the D200, no, and it was quite funny to see most of the stock still sitting on the dealer's shelves months later, so I assume a few other people felt the same way about things. A lot of other dealers got stuck too, because the cameras were so overpriced. Would I buy a Nikon DSLR now, maybe. I still have a fondness for the brand, but it's emotional, not logical. Would I take better photographs with a Nikon, definitely not. I imagine the results I'd get with a D300 would be as good, or as bad - depending on how well I do my part - as I get from my 30D, even though the Nikon may be a "better" camera in some ways.
 
I know what you mean. I wanted to like nikon more as its supposed to be the best in class at the mo. According to some. But the 60d felt in my hand but....second time of testing I didnt like them squishy buttons at all that the 60d has.

To be honest id say if u like canon buy a second hand 7d.

Davie
 
To offer an opinion we really need to know what you're going to be shooting with it?

D7000 - better ISO performance, better AF system, better dial/button layout
60D - feels better in the hand, better lens options (great range of f4L)

Personally if I wanted to go with Canon I'd be tempted to save a bit extra and go for a second hand 7D (which is a great camera). This can be had for around the £800 mark.
 
When I came back to the SLR format after a few years in the wilderness with digital compacts I based my choice purely on the how the bodies I compared handled.

Any system will allow you to take great shots in reality, but if you are fighting against the camera's ergonomics then things are going to suffer. Go with what you find comfortable to use, you are buying into a system not just a camera body.
 
d7000 gripped feels good, very different to un-gripped
 
d7000 gripped feels good, very different to un-gripped

Very true! I had the lend of a gripped D7000 whilst mine was getting repaired, I loved the grip so much i'm waiting on one being delivered for my own D7000. Felt like a different camera.

As for the OP's question, I originally went to buy a 450D and came home with a D5000! I did not like the feel of the Canon in my hands. If the Canon feels better I would go with that as you will be using it most days if not everyday. If you are not convinced by the 60D then look at other models in the range and 2nd hand like another member has suggested.
 
Looks to me as you have chosen the one for you. If the Canon feels better and there's not much spec wise between the 2 then i would get the Canon!
 
Folks, thanks for all your replies and advice, all of which I have taken on board.

After picking them up the 60D has always felt like the one, but I think I was just getting cold feet as the moment I get my first DSLR gets closer! I know £1k isn't that much in the general scheme of things but to me it's a lot of money and I need to make the right choice.

Can I also say thanks for the fact that no one has warned me off the 60D completely. It seems to me like it's not a terribly popular camera but I think for me it will be ideal.
 
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Folks, thanks for all your replies and advice, all of which I have taken on board.

After picking them up the 60D has always felt like the one, but I think I was just getting cold feet as the moment I get my first DSLR gets closer! I know £1k isn't that much in the general scheme of things but to me it's a lot of money and I need to make the right choice.

Can I also say thanks for the fact that no one has warned me off the 60D completely. It seems to me like it's not a terribly popular camera but I think for me it will be ideal.

Hi Jonathan,

£1K is a lot of money, esp if you make the wrong choice. As has been said, it is a very personal choice and you must go with what you want to use. The paper spec is great for looking at what the camera can do, but that doesn't mean it's needed or significantly better than another model.

An pure example would be Camera DXXX handles ISO at 6400 + significantly better than model XXD - thats great and usefull if you need to shoot at these levels, it's as much use as a chocolate firegaurd if you never adventure above ISO 200.

The 60D is a fairly new body out, hence why it might not seem to be terribly popular, but it is and it's a great Camera.

A good friend went through a similar decision about 2 years ago, he had used Canons years ago, wanted to start in photograph again, his father had Nikon, so he was automatically going to go down that route. After we'd had agood chat and the advice you've been given above, he went for a Conan as it felt better to him, although that meant he couldn't share any lenses his father had - which would have made more sense financially. He has had no regrets at all and has recently upgraded to a 60D and loves it .

Hope this is of some help...
 
Canon to me feels better too. Love how they handle and where everything is on the body. Nikon felt cramped to me.
 
You might just might want to check the K-5 as well. Better constructed than either of them and weather sealed, has built in image stabilisation a version of the D7k sensor which means brilliant high ISO performance and Pentax has an array of very compact high quality lenses that you will not find at Nikon or Canon.

It is also smaller and lighter than either the D7k and the 60D.

Moved from a D7k to a K-5 and I have never looked back.
 
why not wait a few more weeks as the prices have already started to drop on the canon models they will drop a tad more soon
 
Thanks vrapan, but if the K-5 is smaller I'll probably not get on with it. But there is certainly no harm in me having a look at one!

The Ghost...it'll be 3 or 4 more weeks before I purchase so maybe there will be another drop before then. If not, it doesn't matter...I can afford it still :-)

Andyred...thanks for a great post and some good advice!
 
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It is shorter and a bit slimmer. Having said that button placement is as good if not better than the D7k and you get a deep indentation on the grip for your index. You can make it potentially more suitable for larger hands by getting a grip but the official pentax one is quite expensive.

Go try it out together with the 50-135 2.8 :) and a 21mm prime. Portrait, telephoto, walkaround combo with amazing IQ that weighs less than a d7k with the 18-105 attached.
 
The K-5 grip is very shaped. That means if you get along with it, you'll really get along with it cos it'll fit like a glove, but if you don't get along with it it is very difficult to hold.

Personally, I can't get along with pentax grips, bumps and angles in the wrong places for my hands, which is a shame because I'm quite a fan of pentax.

Definitely worth trying one out though, smashing camera. IMO the best value high performing crop sensor camera available. If you get along with the grip and lens selection (as vrapan pointed out, pentax excels in the short primes range, but their range lacks a bit in other areas like tele-photo zooms (though 3rd party lenses largely make up for this if you need this kind of lens)), I think the K-5 is a no-brainer :)
 
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I have a 60D and love it. I know it hasn't got the magnesium body but it is well built despite this. You will also love the way it handles high ISO settings which makes for a very versatile bit of kit.

On a side note a few have complained about the lack of micro AF adjustment but don't let this worry you. I have 3 lenses, the 17-70 Sigma, the 10-20 f3.5 Sigma and the 70-200 f2.8 os Sigma. All are brand new and all focus perfectly. I know of at least one other member who went from a 7D to the 60D and was surprised that none of his lenses needed any adjustment despite needing some when used with the 7D.

The 60D does not have the weather sealing of the pro bodies but it has dust protection for the buttons located on the top of the camera.

No camera costing around £800 is going to be perfect but I am delighted with my purchase.

Be aware that choosing a camera is a very personal decision. As long as you are happy it makes no odds what anyone else says. Far too many people spend far too long listening to far too many opinions about cameras and they are generally unhappy whatever decision they make! Go to a shop, handle the cameras in your shortlist, buy the one you like. It really is as easy as that!

Andy
 
As title really.

I like the 60D a lot on paper. And I REALLY like the D7000 on paper, but the overiding factor seems to be that when I pick up either camera, I always feel more comfortable with the 60D. I like the layout on the top of the 60D and it seems easier to find my way round the menus and controls.

My head says get the 60D, but my heart says the D7000!

EXACTLY the same for me. Paper says d7000, but it feels wrong in my hands, and the 60d feels just so right.

I'm going for the 60d...
 
...it'll be 3 or 4 more weeks before I purchase so maybe there will be another drop before then. If not, it doesn't matter...I can afford it still :-)...

Why not drop Kerso a line an see what he can do one for you... He comes recommended on here - prob because he's a member :lol:
 
The 60D it is! I'm not even going to glance at the D7000 when I go in to make my purchase.

Now all I need is for my wife to get her redundancy money as she's buying the 60D for me!

Er...slight update ;-)
 
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Just got a 60D on Friday, and what can i say but its an amazing piece of kit, and feels right in the hand.
I did have a 600D before and that felt right, in the hand as well, the only thing i'm finding with the 60d, is the button layout is not what i'm used to, coming from the 450d to the 600D they were almost the same, but that will come in a few days.
You will not regret it.:thumbs:
 
personally preference at the end. Seems like you like the Canon better then in your case, just go for the canon.

I personal like Nikon because the canon layout feels weird for me and Nikon layout just perfect for my own taste. Same to some canon user about Nikon layout, so is all down to you at the end.
 
I was going to post the exact same. Using a D60 at the moment and was looking at upgrading to D7000 but after using friends 60D at the weekend I loved it. But only being able to compare to my D60 at the moment, really need to get my hands on a D7000 to do a proper comparison.

Either that or look at a 2nd hand alternative?
 
As I just posted in another thread, the October 2011 Pratical Photography just did a group test of Sony A55, Pentax K-5, Canon 60D and Nikon D7000.

Canon 60D got 9/10 and Nikon D7000 got 7/10 with the Sony and Pentax in the middle. :clap:
 
As I just posted in another thread, the October 2011 Pratical Photography just did a group test of Sony A55, Pentax K-5, Canon 60D and Nikon D7000.

Canon 60D got 9/10 and Nikon D7000 got 7/10 with the Sony and Pentax in the middle. :clap:

The group test was for JPGs straight from camera IIRC, yet same mag gave the D7000 a gold award a few months ago.:shrug::thinking:
 
The group test was for JPGs straight from camera IIRC, yet same mag gave the D7000 a gold award a few months ago.:shrug::thinking:

I read that one. Was strange as they seemed to really like the D7000 in most of the individual tests but then gave it a bit of a slating in the conclusion. As you say though this was based just purely on jpeg production so was more of an assessment of white balance, picture control, d-lighting etc... I doubt those who shoot Raw would care. As you say, it seems to excel in that regard.
 
I was looking for an upgrade from a 550D, tried holding just about every canon in the shop but as soon as I got hold of a 7D I knew that was the one for me. Just go with your first instinct about how it feels. Lot of money to regret buying the one that feels wrong.
 
Update...

Although I'm still leaning towards the Canon, I'd be foolish to not give the Nikon a proper chance. Out of the two, I've held and played with the 60D a lot more so I'm going into my local camera shop next week to have a proper go with the Nikon.

I just can't ignore such a great camera, and I need to at least give it a chance. But, once I'm done playing with the Nikon I'll go back to the 60D to see how it feels, and if it feels better I'll stick with it!
 
Another thing that I must consider is that I have 30 days from when I buy it to take the camera back and swap it if I don't get on with it (whichever one I choose). So pn that basis I may just go for the D7000 and give it a proper trial!

At least if I don't get on with it I have the 60D to fall back on.
 
Another thing that I must consider is that I have 30 days from when I buy it to take the camera back and swap it if I don't get on with it (whichever one I choose). So pn that basis I may just go for the D7000 and give it a proper trial!

At least if I don't get on with it I have the 60D to fall back on.

Can you say which company that is with? Wonder what they do with returns.
 
It's Jessops.

Not my first choice of camera shop, but the people in my local one seem quite knowledgable and helpful (if somewhat biased towards Nikon!)

Sadly the one independent camera shop where I live shut down about 3 years ago and I've have to travel to Norwich or Cambridge to get to another independent.
 
Northstander said:
As title really.

I like the 60D a lot on paper. And I REALLY like the D7000 on paper, but the overiding factor seems to be that when I pick up either camera, I always feel more comfortable with the 60D. I like the layout on the top of the 60D and it seems easier to find my way round the menus and controls.

My head says get the 60D, but my heart says the D7000!

I think 60D is not a match to the D7000. D7000 is rather on level with Canon 7D. Me- myself,I was between the 7D & D7000 when buying. It was my first DSLR I was going to buy. The Canon felt better in hand, Nikon scared me with the amount of buttons. At the end went for the D7000 and I am soo happy. The D7000 has got more buttons on the body, where canon has got them hidden in the menu.
I must say that it is very handy when you try to take pics quickly and need to change settings.You will get used to it very quickly and once you conquere all the features, you will be happy too, that you dont have to trough that menu.
NIKON NIKON NIKON !!
 
Update...

Although I'm still leaning towards the Canon, I'd be foolish to not give the Nikon a proper chance. Out of the two, I've held and played with the 60D a lot more so I'm going into my local camera shop next week to have a proper go with the Nikon.

I just can't ignore such a great camera, and I need to at least give it a chance. But, once I'm done playing with the Nikon I'll go back to the 60D to see how it feels, and if it feels better I'll stick with it!



I have the 60D, and I have to be honest I bought it because all my lenses were Canon when my 10D was stolen, whilst I have not tried the 7000 I am more than happy with every element of the 60d.

My teenage son (16) had the 300D Nikon with the £650+ 28-300 Nikkor, which I also use a lot, I do like Nikon and wish I still had my !F".

It is a personal choice but I believe when you have bought a camera STOP looking.....

The 60D is new, and the MOST useful thing I have found is the fully variangle screen, especially for close up and low level, amazing just how much I use it when on a tripod.

The Canon is 18mp and the Nikon 16Mp though these days that is nothing, personally I disagree the 60D and 7000 are aimed at the same marked, the 7000 is not on a par with the 7D though the owners may like to think so. As for more buttonds than the 60D oh wow, sorry, the Canons two control dials are more intuative and so easy to use and have been around on their cameras for years and years.
 
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<snip>As for more buttonds than the 60D oh wow, sorry, the Canons two control dials are more intuative and so easy to use and have been around on their cameras for years and years.

That's purely subjective - when I was getting my first 'real' SLR, it was a toss up between a Nikon F65 and the equivalent Canon... the buttons on the Nikon were more intuitive - in MY opinion. And they haven't really changed that much since. Even on the D70, the overall layout is the same - you still have metering mode and exposure compensation right above the aperture wheel, with the shutter speed wheel on the back of the body...
 
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