Canon's new 700D anounced today.

lolage said:
This is mainly from a video use perspective, but:

I personally think the 600D has better video options than the 650D. Yes the 650D has autofocus, but thats really only use able with the STM lenses and even with an STM lens its not brilliant. Your far better using manual focus.

Also withthe 600D you can do a 3x digital zoom in camera which gives almost the same video quality. You can't do this with the 650D.
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Other than a digital zoom what else is there? Can't say I've used my 650d for any video other than a few tests so I don't really know what might be missing.

I see a lot of negative or indifferent comments about the touchscreen but I really do think it's great. I wouldn't want all the buttons to go altogether but having both button and the screen is good imo. I'd imagine all cameras will have touchscreens eventually because why wouldn't they? If you can have buttons and a touchscreen then why not? Not exactly losing anything but you do gain some more functionality.
 
Phal said:
I see a lot of negative or indifferent comments about the touchscreen but I really do think it's great. I wouldn't want all the buttons to go altogether but having both button and the screen is good imo. I'd imagine all cameras will have touchscreens eventually because why wouldn't they? If you can have buttons and a touchscreen then why not? Not exactly losing anything but you do gain some more functionality.
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Touchscreen should be the essential to new breakthroughs if things happen the way I imagine. It should go a lot further than replacing a few buttons with on screen prompts, no - the buttons need to stay for ergonomic reasons.
The screen should go bigger (at least 5 inch), retina, maybe detachable and needs to gain a plethora of new functions - at least as far as landscape photography and video capture are concerned. There can be so many new ways to interact with your device.

Seriously, Canon or Sony should give me a job in this :rules:
 
The main problem with having a 5" retina screen is that it's bigger than the back of some of the newer dslr's so unless you made it a wireless add on it wouldn't really work too well. Unless the EOS 100D gets pumped up to the size of a 1Dx it'd just look wrong!

Not sure whether it's an all new sensor or not but it has been said that it's a redesigned 18Mp sensor. If it's been redesigned enough to make it work well then that's all that matters. I'm just waiting for the announcement of the 70D or the 7D II, according to rumours they will have the same sensor as well. I'm quite looking forward to getting a 70D if it's anything like as good as it's rumoured.
 
daugirdas said:
Touchscreen...The screen should go bigger (at least 5 inch), retina, maybe detachable and needs to gain a plethora of new functions -...
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Urgh. A big screen on the back of the camera covered with greasy finger and nose prints? No thanks.

One good thing about my G1 is that when I'm not using the screen I can turn it to the body and ignore it.... and keep it clean!

Unless a screen is fully articulated, I don't want it.
 
modchild said:
The main problem with having a 5" retina screen is that it's bigger than the back of some of the newer dslr's so unless you made it a wireless add on it wouldn't really work too well. Unless the EOS 100D gets pumped up to the size of a 1Dx it'd just look wrong!
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No it wouldn't, if it runs all the way across the whole back. You may ask about durability - not a problem if you make sapphire coating (apparently costs £30 or so to do - iphone 5S or 6 may likely have one). I can bet you money this is the future of camera design and ergonomics. Customisable, upgradable, no moving parts, hard to break. More importantly consumers like big screens and flashy things so this would translate to good sales.
 
daugirdas said:
No it wouldn't, if it runs all the way across the whole back. You may ask about durability - not a problem if you make sapphire coating (apparently costs £30 or so to do - iphone 5S or 6 may likely have one). I can bet you money this is the future of camera design and ergonomics. Customisable, upgradable, no moving parts, hard to break. More importantly consumers like big screens and flashy things so this would translate to good sales.
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Sorry but I would like my battery to last longer than a few hours,
Your not by any chance one of these people that takes photos with their iPad are you?
Yes your average dim witted consumer likes shiny flashy things, but real photographers don't need all these endless trinkets that get in the way of actually taking a decent photo
 
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I like the sound of the 100D! I'm actually putting it on my birthday wish list I think :D

In the meantime I'll stick to the 60D and keep saving for the 6D :D

I played with the 600D & the 650D and they felt very toy-like, the 7D was too big and hefty and then I picked up the 60D and it was perfect!

Played with the 6D the other week, and wow did that feel like heaven!!!
 
StephyB said:
I like the sound of the 100D! I'm actually putting it on my birthday wish list I think :D

In the meantime I'll stick to the 60D and keep saving for the 6D :D

I played with the 600D & the 650D and they felt very toy-like, the 7D was too big and hefty and then I picked up the 60D and it was perfect!

Played with the 6D the other week, and wow did that feel like heaven!!!
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That was exactly how I felt about those bodies too. :)
 
lolage said:
This is mainly from a video use perspective, but:

I personally think the 600D has better video options than the 650D. Yes the 650D has autofocus, but thats really only use able with the STM lenses and even with an STM lens its not brilliant. Your far better using manual focus.

Also withthe 600D you can do a 3x digital zoom in camera which gives almost the same video quality. You can't do this with the 650D.
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I had a look, and my 18-135 isn't STM. So I am guessing that the 650D AF in video wouldn't work.

I have seen that the 60D has cashback and is in the price range of the 650D now, so may have a look at that one! (#soconfused)
 
dangerous bryan said:
I had a look, and my 18-135 isn't STM. So I am guessing that the 650D AF in video wouldn't work.

I have seen that the 60D has cashback and is in the price range of the 650D now, so may have a look at that one! (#soconfused)
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The 650d will autofocus with any af lens, all STM is, is another drive motor type which is designed to be smoother for video work, I think what you'll find with a regular af I lens is the focus will snap in where as with an STM motor it will be a smoother transition although tbh for most video work I wouldnt bother to use AF anyway
 
Non STM lenses will stutter around whilst AF and will also be very noisy if you're recording sound with the onboard microphone whereas the STM lenses will be almost silent in comparison. There is still a little bit of recorded sound in very quiet settings but it's a huge improvement IMO

I'm curious to see what's different about this new sensor! I reckon they've improved the hybrid phase detection for AF so it'll be interesting to see if it's any different :) If that hasn't changed then I'll be wondering what the hell they've been doing lol

I quite like the feel of my 650d. It doesn't have a solid metal feel like older bodies but then again that's not really something I'm looking for in cameras! I'm not about to try to beat someone to death with my camera so I don't need it to be made of solid metal :P
 
ljphil78 said:
Sorry but I would like my battery to last longer than a few hours,
Your not by any chance one of these people that takes photos with their iPad are you?
Yes your average dim witted consumer likes shiny flashy things, but real photographers don't need all these endless trinkets that get in the way of actually taking a decent photo
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The cameras are not directed at "real photographers" so I think you have missed the point.

Not sure if I am a "real photographer" or not but I am happy with a tiny non-touch screen and want physical buttons and I also don't even want live view but realise I am in the minority and camera companies would be pretty stupid to aim for the minority market....
 
Sony are going after a minority market with the rx1. :)

I'm not sure about all this "real photographer" stuff but canon do seem to have been taking baby steps for a while instead of pushing their products further. Releasing 2 cameras at the same time but with different versions of their hybrid AF system seems a strange decision, particularly with the newer system being in the lower end model.
 
I'd like to see a 100D with a 5" screen but where would you put the buttons to make operating it easier for togs who know what they're doing. It would have to have loads of buttons on the top.

The STM lenses are designed to be silent (or very nearly) while focussing. All AF lenses will AF on video AFAIK but they will make a hell of a noise on the video while doing so.

The wife has a 650D and TBH it takes cleaner/less noisy Jpegs than my 7D does SOOC. I had a 60D before the 7D and that was the same, but I still prefer the ergonomics and AF system of the 7D. If the 70D ends up as the rumours are saying (7D's AF, 50D style and build, 650D ISO, 6fps and Hybrid AF) then I shall be looking into exchanging my 7D for a 70D.
 
Anyone seen a UK price for the 100D? I'm interested but will no doubt be the usual canon 'high' price....
 
It certainly won't be cheap for the first few months! :)
 
The 100D is not that small. It is about 1cm smaller than an 1100D in length, width and height. 1cm is not really going to make that much difference is it?
Plus it is only around 80 odd grams lighter too.
Compare it to the likes of a Sony a37 and the differences are even less - only 40g lighter and almost the same size (yes realise the Sony is not an SLR technically)
 
dangerous bryan said:
I had a look, and my 18-135 isn't STM. So I am guessing that the 650D AF in video wouldn't work.

I have seen that the 60D has cashback and is in the price range of the 650D now, so may have a look at that one! (#soconfused)
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I just had the view to save on the body and buy more expensive glass! I could have got a 650D/60D but saved the money and went with the 600D!
 
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