'canon user preferred'

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I have joined a group on facebook that asks for second shooters for weddings etc... but I have noticed alot of requests stating 'must be a Nikon user' or 'canon shooter preferred'

Can I ask why this would be? I find it very strange. At first I thought it could be to do with interchanging lens with each other, but alot of them want someone to shoot the grooms prep in a different place.

Am I being silly and missing something?

Cheers.
 
It could be that they are supplying the equipment and want someone who is used to that make...

Other than that...it just seems silly..
 
Swapping gear would be the main reason I imagine. Even if you are shooting the groom that morning at a different location, you're going to both meet up at the church. Main shooter might want that prime you used earlier, or even that body. It just keeps things more fluid. Plus when it comes to processing everything is more in line.
 
You honestly think all cameras have the same values when it comes to RAW files? How they handle highlights, shadows, the detail that's recoverable, how the files will take to presets across the board? Different RAW types hold varying contrast, depth, how they handle colour ... etc ... etc ... when processing a bunch of RAWs at once it will make a difference.

I'm assuming too, that most pro's will want to do most of the processing personally, if not all. I know I would.
 
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Cagey75 said:
You honestly think all cameras have the same values when it comes to RAW files?
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wind yer neck in son.. I dont think anything like that.. I dont use RAW . I dont need RAW... . To me a file is a file.. if your saying RAW is different between nikon and canon then I learn something :)
 
KIPAX said:
wind yer neck in son.. I dont think anything like that.. I dont use RAW . I dont need RAW... . To me a file is a file.. if your saying RAW is different between nikon and canon then I learn something :)
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there is definitely a colour bias in Nikon (more blue/cyan), canon is more neutral and flatter. Of course both can be made to look similar in post but it's extra work
 
mrjames said:
there is definitely a colour bias in Nikon (more blue/cyan), canon is more neutral and flatter. Of course both can be made to look similar in post but it's extra work
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well..again I dont use RAW so seriously dont know.. but if theres a difference between canon and nikon... is there a difference between camera models? of any make?
 
KIPAX said:
well..again I dont use RAW so seriously dont know.. but if theres a difference between canon and nikon... is there a difference between camera models? of any make?
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Every camera will reproduce colours a certain way because of the sensor used, and the way the files are processed in camera, both RAW and Jpeg. I know in the past that Nikon camera used to easily over saturate the reds in comparison to other brands. I don't think that is the case anymore.

Where cameras have the same sensor, they may reproduce very similar colours, if not the same colours, but engineers will no doubt fiddle slightly between models which may affect the colours. So all the Canon APS-C cameras which use the 18mp sensors (and there are many;)) will probably give similar colour reproduction. The Canon FF cameras may give slightly different colours to APS-C cameras, but also to the different FF cameras. One would assume that Canon engineers try to have all their cameras reproduce colours in a similar way. Other manufacturers will do things in a similar way. All the Nikon DX cameras using the current 24mp sensor may reproduce colours in a similar way.

Of course that is if the same Picture Style/Control is used for Jpegs. ;) :lol:

You can match the colours from two different cameras exactly by using Lightroom and a Colorchecker Passport.

That has been my experience anyway, but I think you may have two different Canon cameras Kipax from some of the threads I've read here, so you could take a picture of a scene with as many colours as possible to see if that is actually the case. :shrug:

For the original post, I can see logic of Wedding Photographers preferring people with the same brand of camera gear, for the colour reason I mentioned above, but also for compatibility of lenses, flashes and accessories. Having matching could cut down on the amount of gear that needs to by carried/taken to the wedding.

Also, if things were to go really wrong, and all the main photographers gear breaks, gets stolen or some other catastrophe happens, having a familiarity with the 2nd shooters gear would be beneficial.
 
redhed17 said:
Every camera will reproduce colours a certain way because of the sensor used, and the way the files are processed in camera, both RAW and Jpeg. I know in the past that Nikon camera used to easily over saturate the reds in comparison to other brands. I don't think that is the case anymore.

Where cameras have the same sensor, they may reproduce very similar colours, if not the same colours, but engineers will no doubt fiddle slightly between models which may affect the colours. So all the Canon APS-C cameras which use the 18mp sensors (and there are many;)) will probably give similar colour reproduction. The Canon FF cameras may give slightly different colours to APS-C cameras, but also to the different FF cameras. One would assume that Canon engineers try to have all their cameras reproduce colours in a similar way. Other manufacturers will do things in a similar way. All the Nikon DX cameras using the current 24mp sensor may reproduce colours in a similar way.

Of course that is if the same Picture Style/Control is used for Jpegs. ;) :lol:

You can match the colours from two different cameras exactly by using Lightroom and a Colorchecker Passport.

That has been my experience anyway, but I think you may have two different Canon cameras Kipax from some of the threads I've read here, so you could take a picture of a scene with as many colours as possible to see if that is actually the case. :shrug:

For the original post, I can see logic of Wedding Photographers preferring people with the same brand of camera gear, for the colour reason I mentioned above, but also for compatibility of lenses, flashes and accessories. Having matching could cut down on the amount of gear that needs to by carried/taken to the wedding.

Also, if things were to go really wrong, and all the main photographers gear breaks, gets stolen or some other catastrophe happens, having a familiarity with the 2nd shooters gear would be beneficial.
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Hi, "Excellent Reply" Got it in one!!!:thumbs:
 
The most lightly reason is to keep things as near the same as possible, as others have said there is a slight colour/feel difference between the makes, and being able to swop lens/cameras around makes life easier.
 
redhed17 said:
Every camera will reproduce colours a certain way because of the sensor used,
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Then asking for a canon or nokin user to help post processing isnt any use...


redhed17 said:
but I think you may have two different Canon cameras Kipax from some of the threads I've read here, so you could take a picture of a scene with as many colours as possible to see if that is actually the case. :shrug:
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whats with the shruig? seriously? you want me to use raw on both cameras.. take pictures.. put them in software and check the differences... ? why cant i just ask in here as its relevant to the thread.. why would i go to all that trouble.. if i started a thread asking then i could have tested myself fair enough... but simply as a question as part of the thread.. whats the point of doing all that when i can ask? seriously.. shrug someone else..
 
I've been in the situation as a second shooter, and the issues were that the main tog only used Nikon software at the time so couldn't deal with .cr2 files , so he had to buy different software as I use canon.

There is a difference between jpegs from each maker. As we all know jpegs are in camera processed files, and that processing is done to the taste/style of the cameras designer, in fact years ago Canon changed their standard picture style to get it to look more like nikons, at the time Canon was much flatter and Nikon had more vivid colours .
 
When I have a 2nd shooter at a wedding I prefer that they use Nikon.
I use Nikon software to process the photo's. It is a system I have been using for years and it works for me. My workflow with Nikon software is fast and easy. If I then have to process a different manufacturers files it will take me a lot longer.

So , yes I would be asking for a Nikon user.
 
KIPAX said:
whats with the shruig? seriously? you want me to use raw on both cameras.. take pictures.. put them in software and check the differences... ?
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wind yer neck in son..
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No, I didn't intend for you to take RAW images. I said, from my experience there is a difference between the files (RAW and Jpeg) from different cameras. I can see where the confusion came though, because I mentioned the Colorchecker Passport before my question to you. Sorry for any confusion.

The shrug was that if you do have two different cameras, that you could just try it out. (with Jpegs) I don't remember you mentioning that there were colour differences when, I think you had (possibly still have) the 1DIV and the 1DX. Maybe Canon had been extra careful to colour match the colour reproduction from those cameras because they are aimed at Pro's who may indeed shoot with both cameras side by side so need consistency. :shrug: I think I saw you mention a 5D earlier in the week somewhere, so there is the possibility of you having 2-3 cameras to test this all out with.

I know when the Nikon D300 was released, and it virtually bettered the Pro targeted D2X, D2X users liked the colour reproduction from that camera, so some Picture Control files were made available to apply to the RAW files to replicate 'the look' of the D2X. I'm not sure whether the Picture Controls could be loaded into the camera and applied directly to the Jpeg in camera though.

Some people also like the colours from certain brands as well as the other factors that go into people choosing one brand over another, so there must be a differences.
 
KIPAX said:
wind yer neck in son.. I dont think anything like that.. I dont use RAW . I dont need RAW... . To me a file is a file.. if your saying RAW is different between nikon and canon then I learn something :)
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Who's got their neck out? You're the one who questioned ... just giving you an answer. Stop posting like a troll trying to stir fgs. Because that's all you seem to be doing. My answer was what you needed, no? It seemed like you were posing the question as a test :D
 
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