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Thought I would just start a thread on this I recently decided to upgrade. My current cameras were a Canon 1D mkiv and a Canon 5D mkiii I was really tempted to keep these 2 and add a 7D mkii. My current line up is now a Canon 5 D mkiii and a Canon 1 Dx different to the initial plan so why did I go down this route .
Firstly I was more than happy with both the cameras I started with. I had shutter rate and ISO ability covered for most of the work I do.
So why did I contemplate the 7d mkii after owning two of the mark i's if you knew what you were doing you could make them sing exposure needed to be spot on and you needed to set the af tracking to suit your capabilities a lot of people never truly managed this. So after trying 3 7d mkii bodies I firstly noticed inconsistences between them. A lot of people rave about the autofocus actually I have a really good technique
and I had no more frames sharp using the 7Dmkii than the 1Dmkiv one of the 7D's was much worse. ISO capability very little in it possibly the 7D might be slightly better
But to close to call for me in everyday situations.
Build quality the 1D is miles ahead so what happens when you throw a 1.4 extender into the mix again nothing nip and tuck with locking on. Throw a 2x in and I think the 1D mkiv just wins.
A little Caveat here I am use to a heavy camera body on the back of the lens this could have made a slight difference when I was tracking birds in flight because none of the 7 D bodies had the battery grip fitted. I really wanted to love the 7d mkii but it was so close to call with the mkiv that I felt it didn't meet the requirements I wanted it for which was better ISO capability pushing it closer to the 5 D mkiii but with the abilities of the 1D mkiv.
I wanted one camera to do both jobs without breaking the bank sorry to say the 7D mkii couldn't but it had a good try.
So I sold the mkiv and bought a 1 DX now that really is a camera that fits the bill.
Rich
 
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think you have made a great choice to be honest I had the chance to trial a 7d mk ii It wasn't for me ( it is a great camera just not one I could use as I do a lot of high iso and for me as you said it aint brilliant)
 
I prefer the images and handling of my 1D Mk3 over the 7D Mk2. I also use a couple of 5D3 bodies and was thinking of either retiring the 1D MK3 and getting a 7DMK2 or a 1D MK4 just to increase the image sizes a little. After trying a 7DMK2, I've decided to pick up a 1D Mk4. I found the 7D MK2 a jack of many, master of none and the image quality just wasn't up to my expectations, personally.
 
Hi Both
I did really want the 7d mkii to work because of airlines limiting bag sizes as well which meant with the crop factor I could maybe get away not taking the 600mm with me as much but use a shorter length lens.
That didn't pan out like I was hoping.
 
lost said:
Hi Both
I did really want the 7d mkii to work because of airlines limiting bag sizes as well which meant with the crop factor I could maybe get away not taking the 600mm with me as much but use a shorter length lens.
That didn't pan out like I was hoping.
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I sympathise, especially with the airline baggage situation. The longest lens I travel with is now limited to the 300mm F4 and a teleconverter. I manage to fit everything into a Think tank Airport Roller Derby. It fits 3 bodies and 4 lenses, two flashes, PWizards, laptop, batteries, cables etc... and still fits the overhead locker. Goodness only knows what it weighs though, probably close to 20KG! The 1.6x crop would have been useful over the 1.3x in the 1D range. Shame Canon don't do the 'crop mode' 1.3, 1.6 and 2x in their sensors over 20 MP. I'd love to see this implemented.
 
Totally agree with Richard's sentiments in this thread.

George.
 
Hi All
Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the 7d mkii if you take its price into account it really is a good buy ;) if you get a good one that can be said about a lot of cameras.
A lot of people upgrading from the likes of the 350-750d range and the 60-70d range and earlier 7d mki will be happy as it is a better camera. But for people who are use to using the 1d range ie 1D mkiv and 1Dx I think there will be a lot of people who are not so happy.
It' a horses for courses I am afraid and you have to weigh up the pro's and con's of why you are buying it.
I am really looking forward to the mkiii version because it took 3 versions for them to get the 5 d right so it stands a chance this will be the version that suits me for traveling that and a 400mm f4 do mkii lens the mkii is the bees knees going by the one I have just tried.
Regards All
Richard
 
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Glad you like the 400DO mk2.......had mine for a few months now...was hoping that and the 7D2 would be a good combo.......and it's simply excellent!! (the 400 DO mk2 that is)

Also works well with mk3 1.4 and 2x extenders on the 1Dx (but hated the 2x on the 7d2) and when the price in the UK becomes sensible it should sell well....but Canon just don't promote it for some reason!
 
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Hi George
I think that might have something to do with the 200-400 with built in extender. A 400 f4 do mkii plus a 70-200 f2.8 mkii and a 1.4 mkiii extender knocks spots off that one for using in the field in my opinion.
Regards
Richard
 
Where did you try it, Richard?
 
I suspect that what many of us would really like is a "1DMkV". Noise control brought up to current levels, a moderately packed APS-H sensor to mix up the lenses a little, an AF system aligned with the 1Dx, 5DMkII and 7DMkII and all packaged in a body style that mimics the 1Dx as far as controls go.

Bob
 
Hi George
I went down to London just over a week ago to see a friend of mine over a few images he wanted to use of mine. He had one on loan as he tests equipment for articles I hadn't given one a thought normally I use the 300mm f2.8 i.s with a 1.4. It was just a coincidence he had it. I was very impressed the price is the only downside but twinned with a good 1.6 crop camera i would be very tempted especially since you say it takes the convertors well
Regards
Richard
 
Canon Bob said:
I suspect that what many of us would really like is a "1DMkV". Noise control brought up to current levels, a moderately packed APS-H sensor to mix up the lenses a little, an AF system aligned with the 1Dx, 5DMkII and 7DMkII and all packaged in a body style that mimics the 1Dx as far as controls go.

Bob
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Bob you have hit the nail on the head
 
lost said:
But for people who are use to using the 1d range ie 1D mkiv and 1Dx I think there will be a lot of people who are not so happy.
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I'm very happy with my 7DII, it complements my 1DX superbly.
 
Toggerman said:
I'm very happy with my 7DII, it complements my 1DX superbly.
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Like I said there will be a lot of people who won't be happy I didn't say all.
Especially if you got one of the better ones. But if it was a choice between the the 1Dx and the 7d mkii which would you choose and why I bet the iso plays a part
In your choice. For me I need really good
Iso capabilities because of what I do.
The 7d mkii doesn't offer enough in that department and that was the deal breaker
In the end. As I said a lot of people will be more than happy with them. I am not slating the camera I just pointed out where I think we will see the most complaints from who on earth used the term it's a baby 1dx needs shooting because now everyone compares it against that camera instead of comparing it against other crop sensor cameras where it would be a lot stronger. Again like I said it's horses for courses what suits some people's needs won't suit everybody's.

Regards
Richard
 
Interesting read Richard.. I hope your well buddy. One thing I am surprised with, is how long it actually took you to upgrade to a 1dx. It's a stonking bit of kit, it really is, I hope you enjoy it as much as the rest of us.. :0) It will be interesting what the mkii will be like.!
 
lost said:
Like I said there will be a lot of people who won't be happy I didn't say all.
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I never said otherwise, I just pointed out that I love mine and find it really goes well side by side with my 1DX.

lost said:
But if it was a choice between the the 1Dx and the 7d mkii which would you choose and why I bet the iso plays a part
In your choice.
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I've often thought about selling my 1DX and getting another 7DII. Whilst the 1DX is much better at higher ISO the 7DII is fine for most things I do, event the od bit of evening football at ISO12800.

I do a lot of motorsport which usually takes place during the day and mostly in decent weather. When using lower shutter speeds whilst panning I'm often at ~f20. My 1DX is a dust magnet and I often have to spend a fair amount of time afterwards removing dust spots from my photos, especially if I've changed lenses (and my changes are quick). The 7DII with its smaller sensor doesn't have as much of a problem, I've only cleaned it a handful of times in the near 11 months I've owned it.

I'm also shooting a seminar tomorrow in a very small venue and the 7DII is going to be my primary camera because it is so much quieter than the 1DX. My 1DX is ridiculously loud, and the silent mode isn't much better.

Other advantages such as better live view, better movie AF, can be lighter if I remove the grip, better auto-ISO, anti-flicker (very useful under rubbish floodlights) make it a very versatile camera and I more often will pick up the 7DII when doing general family stuff.

But, as much as I love my 7DII I also equally love my 1DX. I really wouldn't want to be without either of them, they both have their strengths.

lost said:
I think we will see the most complaints from who on earth used the term it's a baby 1dx needs shooting because now everyone compares it against that camera instead of comparing it against other crop sensor cameras where it would be a lot stronger.
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I agree, it should be compared to other crop cameras. But if it had a 1DX sensor in it what would be the huge difference? Body size is the only real answer I can think of.
 
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lost said:
Hi All
Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the 7d mkii if you take its price into account it really is a good buy ;) if you get a good one that can be said about a lot of cameras.
A lot of people upgrading from the likes of the 350-750d range and the 60-70d range and earlier 7d mki will be happy as it is a better camera. But for people who are use to using the 1d range ie 1D mkiv and 1Dx I think there will be a lot of people who are not so happy.
It' a horses for courses I am afraid and you have to weigh up the pro's and con's of why you are buying it.
I am really looking forward to the mkiii version because it took 3 versions for them to get the 5 d right so it stands a chance this will be the version that suits me for traveling that and a 400mm f4 do mkii lens the mkii is the bees knees going by the one I have just tried.
Regards All
Richard
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I think that what you have is correct it is a good upgrade from xxx and xxd I am completely satisfied with mine coming from a 550d a 1d was never on my radar. I think anyone coming from a 1d may well have reservations.
 
Toggerman said:
I never said otherwise, I just pointed out that I love mine and find it really goes well side by side with my 1DX.
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Hi
I wasn't having a pop at you:)
I was just pointing out where I think most people who would be dissapointed would be coming from.
For me the 1Dx offers more in the areas I need it. That said the 5d mkiii is a great camera and offers some things the 1 dx doesn't bring to the table.
I have a feeling the 7d mkii will be replaced a lot quicker than the mk I and if the price keeps falling the way it is I may buy one anyway.
That said I have a gut feeling photography is going to change in a big way in a few years. 4K video with 8mb stills is the start of it how long will it be before we are at 6-8 k video stage. One guy i know is using stills from video for stacking in macro shots[/QUOTE]
 
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Never thought you were having a pop Richard, sorry if I sounded defensive, that honestly wasn't my intention.

I like to pop up in these threads from time to time and voice my happiness as a 7DII and 1DX user. I don't mean to imply that everyone's going to be happy, we all shoot different things and in different ways, as such some cameras are suited to us and others aren't. I traded in my 5D3 last year for the 7DII as I never really liked it for the sports of which I started shooting more and more. That doesn't mean it's a bad camera at all, it just wasn't the best for me at the time. I do wish I had it now (or a 6D) as it would be better for the seminar tomorrow than either the 7D or 1D.
 
Toggerman said:
I'm very happy with my 7DII, it complements my 1DX superbly.
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Ditto. When I am focal length limited e.g. wildlife, I use the 7D2, when not then 1DX. Both cameras operate in nearly identical ways so they are very familiar and easy to use as a pair.
 
Cheffievrs said:
Interesting read Richard.. I hope your well buddy. One thing I am surprised with, is how long it actually took you to upgrade to a 1dx. It's a stonking bit of kit, it really is, I hope you enjoy it as much as the rest of us.. :0) It will be interesting what the mkii will be like.!
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Hi Jason
I am keeping well my friend the trouble was I found that the 1D mk iv never let me down and I knew a couple of people who had a few issues with their 1Dx's so I just stayed with what I knew to be good. The 1Dmkiii saga made me wary. I am really enjoying it and if I am truly honest should have upgraded before. The mk ii will be interesting but I have a feeling there are going to be major changes to photography in the next few years 4k video with 8mb stills is only the tip of the iceberg people are using this technology for use in macro and stacking images by refocusing as they video items this saves the shutter. I have seen some good sport and wildlife images taken from 4k video as well. Will we even have SLRs in a few years is the question we should be asking.

Toggerman said:
Never thought you were having a pop Richard, sorry if I sounded defensive, that honestly wasn't my intention.


I like to pop up in these threads from time to time and voice my happiness as a 7DII and 1DX user. I don't mean to imply that everyone's going to be happy, we all shoot different things and in different ways, as such some cameras are suited to us and others aren't. I traded in my 5D3 last year for the 7DII as I never really liked it for the sports of which I started shooting more and more. That doesn't mean it's a bad camera at all, it just wasn't the best for me at the time. I do wish I had it now (or a 6D) as it would be better for the seminar tomorrow than either the 7D or 1D.
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Hi Toggerman that's ok sometimes I could kick myself for the way I write things:(

Isn't it the way we get rid of something only to regret it afterwards:)
I really don't believe there is the perfect camera out there and I think we would all be telling porkies a bit if we all said we were completely happy with the camera we have whether it is the position of buttons the way the menu is the if's and buts can be endless.
If the 7d mkii had been a 4 k video camera that would have been another string to it's bow for me I really believe Canon missed a trick there.
My reason for posting the thread was hopefully just to help people in the same boat thinking on making the upgrade.
I suppose really I should have stated why the ISO is important to me early morning shoots and late evening work landscape and wildlife mammals and birds also some caving and 2 new subjects one being astro photography and underwater photography that said for the last one only the 5d mkiii and the Panasonic lx100 will be used.
Again sometimes I forget that some people are limited to one camera and i am sorry to anyone who thinks i am promoting one camera over another. The silly thing is if I was limited to one camera out of the ones mentioned in the title. I would probably take the 5 D mkiii everything taken into account.
Regards both
Richard :exit:
 
lifethroughalens said:
THIS! I returned my 1Dx purchase soley based on this. It's like a gattling gun.
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Hi Rod
I don't think the 1dx shutter is any noisier than the 1D mkiv i noticed in the classifieds you were thinking about one of those so be warned the 5 D mkiii is quieter than them both.
Regards
Richard
 
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Hi Rod
I don't think the 1dx shutter is any noisier than the 1D mkiv i noticed in the classifieds you were thinking about one of those so be warned the 5 D mkiii is quieter than them both.
Regards
Richard
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Thanks Richard. I've become so used to the excellent silent shutter in the 5D3 (and not having to use a blimp around sound guys) that the 1Dx was a total shock. I just assumed all pro cameras from Canon would have this from now on. First day on the shoot was a nightmare! The 1DMK3 has a pretty decent silent mode, holding the mirror up until you let go (basically mirror lock up) but limits me to one shot per take until the director says 'cut'. I will be keeping the 1DMk3 alongside the 5D3's for this reason, and using the 1D4 purely for action shots where the gattling gun effect is less of an issue. I've forgotten, does the 1D Mk4 have the same silent mode as the 1D Mk3?
Cheers, Rod
 
lifethroughalens said:
Thanks Richard. I've become so used to the excellent silent shutter in the 5D3 (and not having to use a blimp around sound guys) that the 1Dx was a total shock. I just assumed all pro cameras from Canon would have this from now on. First day on the shoot was a nightmare! The 1DMK3 has a pretty decent silent mode, holding the mirror up until you let go (basically mirror lock up) but limits me to one shot per take until the director says 'cut'. I will be keeping the 1DMk3 alongside the 5D3's for this reason, and using the 1D4 purely for action shots where the gattling gun effect is less of an issue. I've forgotten, does the 1D Mk4 have the same silent mode as the 1D Mk3?
Cheers, Rod
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Hi Rod
If I remember correctly the 1d mkiii and mkiv shared the same silent mode which is quieter than the 1dx offering this is something i have been told but i must add i havent used it yet. I tend to use the 5D mkiii for that. But used in normal mode I didn't notice much difference between the 2 shutter noise wise.
Hope that helps
Regards
Richard
P.s The shutter noise is the biggest dislike for me on the 1dx like I have said I don't think anyone makes the perfect camera:(
 
Thanks Richard - that's good to know. Perfect camera - I was so convinced that Sony was getting close with the A7S and A7R2 - until I saw the prices and lens selection!
 
Hi Rod
I have tried the silent shutter speed this morning put simply it is naff the 5d will be used for that. I have always been a Canon user and I doubt I will change to much investment in glass
I am afraid.
I have toyed with a Samsung NX1 to run alongside my Canon gear it is a hell of a camera for the money with the 300mm f2.8 fitted it could be a very interesting addition it's a case of waiting till they finally get the lens on the shelves so I can have a play.
Regards
Richard
 
I've had all 4 of these cameras over the last 3 years. 7D MkII just didn't do it for me.Too limited on ISO for my needs. Never was or will be a mini 1DX .I really wish the MkII had been a 1.3 crop in a 1 series body update of the MkIV. Then it would have been worth it. I would rather use a 1DX/5D3 with a converter and crop as I think the image quality is just as good as the MkII. Looks like I will get another 5D3 or possibly a 5DS as a replacement

If I was buying again it would be 1DX, 5D3, 1DMkIV, 7DMkII.
 
Gaz J said:
I've had all 4 of these cameras over the last 3 years. 7D MkII just didn't do it for me.Too limited on ISO for my needs. Never was or will be a mini 1DX .I really wish the MkII had been a 1.3 crop in a 1 series body update of the MkIV. Then it would have been worth it. I would rather use a 1DX/5D3 with a converter and crop as I think the image quality is just as good as the MkII. Looks like I will get another 5D3 or possibly a 5DS as a replacement

If I was buying again it would be 1DX, 5D3, 1DMkIV, 7DMkII.
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Pretty much mirroring my sentiments, Gary.....used a 5D3 recently on a trip and was pretty impressed.

I don't need 50 MP so will await a 5D4 or poss a 1Dx mk2 and see what that brings before I get rid of the 1D4.......but suspect the 1 Dx will be a back up for some time to come when/if I upgrade.
 
Gaz J said:
I've had all 4 of these cameras over the last 3 years. 7D MkII just didn't do it for me.Too limited on ISO for my needs. Never was or will be a mini 1DX .I really wish the MkII had been a 1.3 crop in a 1 series body update of the MkIV. Then it would have been worth it. I would rather use a 1DX/5D3 with a converter and crop as I think the image quality is just as good as the MkII. Looks like I will get another 5D3 or possibly a 5DS as a replacement

Hi Gaz
My sentiments exactly. I shall be adding a 5Ds to my arsenal shortly my reasoning is a 300mm f2.8 used with the DS at half frame gives you the reach of the 600mm in a hand holdable package used with the 70-200mm f2.8 it is so unbelievable light and again 400mm reach at 25 million pixels.
Shame about the ISO capability that said it is still pretty good and the lower frame rate of 5 frames a second.

If I was buying again it would be 1DX, 5D3, 1DMkIV, 7DMkII.
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George said:
Pretty much mirroring my sentiments, Gary.....used a 5D3 recently on a trip and was pretty impressed.

I don't need 50 MP so will await a 5D4 or poss a 1Dx mk2 and see what that brings before I get rid of the 1D4.......but suspect the 1 Dx will be a back up for some time to come when/if I upgrade.
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Hi George
That's where I would place them as well but I do have a soft spot for the 5d mkiii.

Regards Both
Richard
 
Gaz J said:
If I was buying again it would be 1DX, 5D3, 1DMkIV, 7DMkII.
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That's my pecking order too. The only thing letting the 5D3 down (when it comes to sport) is the frame rate.... 200mS between shots is a long time with typical ball sports if you're trying to the ball on the boot or the boot on the shin moment.

Bob
 
Canon Bob said:
That's my pecking order too. The only thing letting the 5D3 down (when it comes to sport) is the frame rate.... 200mS between shots is a long time with typical ball sports if you're trying to the ball on the boot or the boot on the shin moment.

Bob
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Hi Bob
You hit the nail on the head I would add another thing it is missing a high speed SD slot as well. If they do bring out a new 5D mkiv minimum 8 frames a second and dual compact compact flash cards would be 2 real improvements in my book keep the pixel count the same and go with even better ISO performance.
Rich
 
lost said:
Hi Bob
You hit the nail on the head I would add another thing it is missing a high speed SD slot as well. If they do bring out a new 5D mkiv minimum 8 frames a second and dual compact compact flash cards would be 2 real improvements in my book keep the pixel count the same and go with even better ISO performance.
Rich
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And a crop mode please Canon! Oh, and an inbuilt intervelometer and 1080 60fps and built in NFC (I know, but there are so many times when i'd love to easily share a small JPEG to a client when I'm away on location for days with no wifi or internet access. Getting back to a laptop late at night and having to convert RAWs and drop the JPEG on my phone's storage and the bluetooth it over to them, is such a pain!)
 
Hi Rod
Maybe we should start another thread with a wish list of other improvements for the Canon 5d mkiv maybe if we get enough people commenting Canon might take it on board. Just think a camera suggested by photographers that actually meets our needs :eek: that really is a scary thought;):LOL:
We might even start a new trend.
 
From another websites i was asking about getting rid of my 1D Mark III and upgrade to 7D MarkII or keep 1D MarkIII, and almost 99% of answers were to let that 1D3 go and buy 7D MarkII, many swear by it and it outperforms 1D3 by a mile, so i am planning ti sell my 1D3 and get 7DII.
 
TareqPhoto said:
From another websites i was asking about getting rid of my 1D Mark III and upgrade to 7D MarkII or keep 1D MarkIII, and almost 99% of answers were to let that 1D3 go and buy 7D MarkII, many swear by it and it outperforms 1D3 by a mile, so i am planning ti sell my 1D3 and get 7DII.
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Hi Tareq
Because I was upgrading from a mark 4 and had the 5d mkiii the difference was marginal I would quite happily use any of the cameras I mentioned in the heading but for the best performance for me the 1Dx and 5D mkiii were the best option.
For you the 7d mkii should be a big improvement over the mkiii.
Regards
Richard
 
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Hi Tareq
Because I was upgrading from a mark 4 and had the 5d mkiii the difference was marginal I would quite happily use any of the cameras I mentioned in the heading but for the best performance for me the 1Dx and 5D mkiii were the best option.
For you the 7d mkii should be a big improvement over the mkiii.
Regards
Richard
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I have 1DX too, and it is a main body for my action/sports and in the future wildlife/bird shooting, but i sometimes need a backup body in my shooting for sports and actions [photojournalism type], and i feel that between my 1D3 and 1DX there is some generation technology gap, so i wanted to have another camera to fill the gap, i can't buy another 1DX and i don't want 5D3 as it is slower fps for actions and that high fps is very handy for me, wish if that 1D4 was still in sale brand new, i only buy brand new, so i am only left with 2-4 bodies but only 7D2 is the latest best option as i see i can afford and serve me.
 
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