Canon R3.

Phil V said:
I hadn’t realised that straight up physics (bigger battery = more power) was dreamt up by marketing.
I’ll hang my head in shame.
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So you should for quoting me out of context and taking bits that suits you. that's disingenuous (no surprises)

to put this in context this is what I have said about larger bodies and have not said anything contrary to science and physics.
nandbytes said:
Sony A1 can focus at 30fps with large lenses. Does it pretty well too.
A9ii can do the same at 20fps.
Both have no blackout either in the viewfinder.
A1 can write to dual cards inc. in 8K video mode without overheating issues.

I don't see why a large body is required for either when it's already been proven that it's not.

You shouldn't believe everything the marketing department tells you ;)
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nandbytes said:
Bigger body should be logically better with thermal management. But considering Sony A1 and A7SIII can shoot without any overheating problems tells me this can solved in a smaller body especially considering both these bodies are already slightly smaller than R5/6. So a larger body for better heat dissipation is not strictly necessary imo.
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SFTPhotography said:
A7R4 and A1 have mega DR. Almost as good as a 645z. Almost.
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A7R4 certainly very close,
A1 is not as close (while I wish it was!) but that's the trade off for having the higher frames with electronic shutter.
Though thats not a fair comparison, if compare to more recent MF sensor like Fuji, MF clearly a nice advantage.

Will be interesting to see how well the R3 (and Z9) do for dynamic range. Sony A9 wasn't great.

If I win a lottery I'd definitely buying a fuji GFX. probably the first thing I'd buy.
 
nandbytes said:
A7R4 certainly very close,
A1 is not as close (while I wish it was!) but that's the trade off for having the higher frames with electronic shutter.
Though thats not a fair comparison, if compare to more recent MF sensor like Fuji, MF clearly a nice advantage.

Will be interesting to see how well the R3 (and Z9) do for dynamic range. Sony A9 wasn't great.

If I win a lottery I'd definitely buying a fuji GFX. probably the first thing I'd buy.
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Make it the 100s if you do. The resolution is insane.
 
nandbytes said:
yep with their 110mm f2 and 32-64mm f4 :D
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Did you see the MF thread with the 32-64 - if you google sample images and read the thread you'll see some wildly different lens performances. Me, I'd buy the 23, 30, 45-100 and probably 100-200 if going down that system. One day I might have to if Pentax don't do the 100mp 645z - but that's a 5yr down the line problem.

IF you have some long EF Canon mount glass - you can adapt it also. Ok you'll have to focus manually and crop square to hide the worst of the vignetting - but it's a viable option. Another reason I got rid of all the F mount gear and got a Canon EF - seems easily adapted to Sony, Fuji MF etc so it's more future proofed.
 
SFTPhotography said:
Did you see the MF thread with the 32-64 - if you google sample images and read the thread you'll see some wildly different lens performances. Me, I'd buy the 23, 30, 45-100 and probably 100-200 if going down that system. One day I might have to if Pentax don't do the 100mp 645z - but that's a 5yr down the line problem.

IF you have some long EF Canon mount glass - you can adapt it also. Ok you'll have to focus manually and crop square to hide the worst of the vignetting - but it's a viable option. Another reason I got rid of all the F mount gear and got a Canon EF - seems easily adapted to Sony, Fuji MF etc so it's more future proofed.
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if you are keeping your gear as long as you do I guess its basically pointless planning now. by the time you get round to looking at something else the camera landscape (pun unintended) will have changed. Just enjoy whatever you shoot :D

Having adapted in the past not a great fan tbh. Makes things fiddly.
Having said that EF telephoto lenses are really nice and that's the main draw of the RF system for me. the EF 400mm f4 DO is one lens I'd love to own. I could just stick the adapter on it permanently and pretend its a RF lens (but once again gets fiddly if you are trying to use TCs....)
 
I'd expected (and hoped) that Canon would release a crop sensor R along with the R3 today but it never came.

Ah well, maybe next year,
 
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Dale. said:
I'd expected (and hoped) that Canon would release a crop sensor R along with the R3 todat but it never came.

Ah well, maybe next year,
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We have another 3 months yet :)

I have my Canon EF-RF adapter in the cupboard waiting although if the R5 comes down enough in the meantime I will probably sell my 7D MKII and M5.
 
nandbytes said:
a fair bit bigger than Sony A9ii/A1 though ;)
I cannot see many reasons for this body design. I get the feeling they are catering to the few professionals ignoring the rest of us hobbyists who would use such a body for everything where it'd make sense to have a smaller body.

I guess the sales figure will tell whats what at the end of the day.
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Pros and cons to the design I think. IMO the Sony’s feel cheap, hollow and ill-fitting when the grips are attached. I still use them though when shooting sport or on a job though as the form factor is more comfortable. It’s nice to have the option to remove it though when trying to save weight and space.

I think the r3 weighs about half that of the 1dx range so I don’t think it’s going to be as heavy as it may look.
 
One thing which I think will be a thing in the minds of some men is that they'll like a chunky bit of kit. I've seen smaller kit described as toy like many times and it always strikes me as being a bit odd. Coming from a technical background I always preferred gear which was small to moderately sized and precise in operation and use rather than larger or clunky stuff. Each to their own I suppose but I can't see myself ever buying something the size of a DSLR again let alone bigger. As always, good luck to those who prefer man sized gear :D
 
addicknchips said:
Pros and cons to the design I think. IMO the Sony’s feel cheap, hollow and ill-fitting when the grips are attached. I still use them though when shooting sport or on a job though as the form factor is more comfortable. It’s nice to have the option to remove it though when trying to save weight and space.

I think the r3 weighs about half that of the 1dx range so I don’t think it’s going to be as heavy as it may look.
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That's like saying it weighs half of a ton, still pretty heavy ;)

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Seems like it's more like 2/3rd....
 
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I like the 3 - but it's not enough to sway me from my 1dx2 - if/when the 1 comes - that might be a different kettle of fish - however if the 3 is over £5k - what'll a 1 cost? o_O
 
cymruchris said:
I like the 3 - but it's not enough to sway me from my 1dx2 - if/when the 1 comes - that might be a different kettle of fish - however if the 3 is over £5k - what'll a 1 cost? o_O
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This.

I like what the R3 has to offer, particularly the eye AF but would I drop almost 6k on one whilst already owning a 5Div? No!

If I was still a 7D shooter, then maybe but not as it stands. I think I will wait on the crop sensor R, which will probably be the R7 to be released before I'm tempted into the R system.
 
Dale. said:
This.

I like what the R3 has to offer, particularly the eye AF but would I drop almost 6k on one whilst already owning a 5Div? No!

If I was still a 7D shooter, then maybe but not as it stands. I think I will wait on the crop sensor R, which will probably be the R7 to be released before I'm tempted into the R system.
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It's a bit like having a new Iphone - yes it's a bit better than the last one - and it's all dolled up to sound good with 20 percent bigger this and 20 percent faster that - but the real world user experience - it's still just an iphone, you'll still just use it for reading your whatsapp's and checking your facebooks. Yes it's a nice camera - yes it does a few things really well - but does it do them so much better than what I've got? I don't think so. There's still an element of skill as a photographer - if you have it - you don't need to upgrade on every new model.

I think if I was cameraless - it might be something that would interest me - but there's not enough in it (as well as the price) that even comes close to doing so. The 1dx2 (and my recent 5ds) are doing the job just fine for me right now.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Maybe Pentax got it right with the 645z and don't need to keep updating it? :p
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I would agree with this - it just does everything right - and the sensor is so good that Fuji have chosen to still use it for their latest GFX50 model.

Other than the fonts in the menu you wouldn't know this was released back in 2015 and you'd have no issues producing top level stuff with it today and beyond.
 
I’m tempted by the R3 and have asked for test drive. Let’s see if that’s possible.

In general I do prefer the larger body from an ergonomic point of view. Currently I’m using R5 with battery grip in preference to 1DXM2 and thinking if it’s time to sell the 1DXM2 maybe keep it for remote duties. The autofocus of the R5 is just so much better and the frame rate with mechanical shutter is about the same. Doubling the frame rate for fast action, better control of the AF, better low light performance. All sounds good to me.

Someone mentioned heating problems with the R5, I’ve had one over a year and only once had an issue when I was deliberately looking for it with 8k raw filming. In my normal use for photos and filming it’s not a problem.
 
cymruchris said:
It's a bit like having a new Iphone - yes it's a bit better than the last one - and it's all dolled up to sound good with 20 percent bigger this and 20 percent faster that - but the real world user experience - it's still just an iphone, you'll still just use it for reading your whatsapp's and checking your facebooks. Yes it's a nice camera - yes it does a few things really well - but does it do them so much better than what I've got? I don't think so. There's still an element of skill as a photographer - if you have it - you don't need to upgrade on every new model.

I think if I was cameraless - it might be something that would interest me - but there's not enough in it (as well as the price) that even comes close to doing so. The 1dx2 (and my recent 5ds) are doing the job just fine for me right now.
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for me it’s a question of more pics that sell. The 1DXM2 is amazing no doubt about that. I was getting maybe 90 percent of shots tack sharp. With the R5 I’m getting 100 percent. No more peak action moments that are not usable. That’s big for me.
 
TimHughes said:
for me it’s a question of more pics that sell. The 1DXM2 is amazing no doubt about that. I was getting maybe 90 percent of shots tack sharp. With the R5 I’m getting 100 percent. No more peak action moments that are not usable. That’s big for me.
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Good point - for those in a commercial world where £'s talk - the higher the accuracy the better, I can see how they would appeal to you from that perspective.
 
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