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Excuse me for asking this but I'm new to photography and am seeking some newby advice, after having a good read on the forums, am I right in saying Nikon are better for bodies and Canon better for lenses ? it seems there is a big difference of opinions
 
In short no. Both are good, just depends on your needs which camera you go with if starting from scratch.
Matt
 
Excuse me for asking this but I'm new to photography and am seeking some newby advice, after having a good read on the forums, am I right in saying Nikon are better for bodies and Canon better for lenses ? it seems there is a big difference of opinions

Feel free to ask it's the whole idea of this platform. I have a feeling the big difference in opinions is going to be the dominating factor of this thread :-) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder might be one possible conclusion :-) Of course that will quite likely follow much debate lol
 
Excuse me for asking this but I'm new to photography and am seeking some newby advice, after having a good read on the forums, am I right in saying Nikon are better for bodies and Canon better for lenses ? it seems there is a big difference of opinions

This has been done to death a million times, try using the search function some more.

But broadly speaking you are asking the wrong question as ‘better’ doesn’t really mean anything. Yes generally Nikon (and Sony and Pentax) have better sensors for shadow noise and PP latitude but lots of people prefer the colours from Canon. That’s just a small example with the sensor, then there are ergonomic factors, you can have the best sensor in the world but if the camera isn’t intuitive to use you’ll miss photos, so what’s better then?
 
I’d go to your local camera shop, have a play with a few cameras from your price range from each manufacturer see how the control layouts feel in your hands, do you have any friends into photography ? Sometimes it’s handy to have the same brand for borrowing lenses etc at the end of the day Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Sony etc all produce great cameras
 
I’d go to your local camera shop, have a play with a few cameras from your price range from each manufacturer see how the control layouts feel in your hands, do you have any friends into photography ? Sometimes it’s handy to have the same brand for borrowing lenses etc at the end of the day Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Sony etc all produce great cameras

I agree- there are more makes on the market than Canon & Nikon :) Try a few out and do not be swayed by so called experts in Camera shops

I shoot with Sony and find it be a a very capable system- but opinions you'll get on here will be based on what system the poster is actually using, obviously :)

Good luck

Les
 
Forget the Nikon vs Camera debate (wherever you got those ideas from is barking) as there is a much bigger choice out there. Firstly we are all constrained by budget and then comes ergonomics, I am 6'2" with hands to match so I am looking for a bigger rather than a smaller camera, then comes the choice of subject, I need a very responsive camera because I cover a lot of sport and then I have certain specific criteria such as having a dedicated WiFi unit - reality is that what suits one can be very different from what suits others

Mike
 
Sort of negates the whole point of this place, don't you think?

I kinda would depend on how much money you have. If you plan on photography being a long term thing then it almost becomes an investment in one system or another. Switching after a number of years would become very expensive.

The problem with one system over another is one of personal view. Pick 1000 random photographers and you will get a fairly even positive review of each system.

Awards like photographer of the year, wildlife photographer of the year exhibitions love to put the stats / charts up of the number of makes and models of each camera used in the photos displayed in their exhibitions.

What they don’t always show is the relative company sizes. It’s common knowledge that Canon is a significantly larger company than Nikon but this is a bit misleading in the decision on which camera to chose. The best thing is decide what you want it for and go speak to a specialist camera store.
 
Canon vs Nikon is really down to preference, and should be based on which you feel more comfortable with, which you prefer the ergonomics of and which menu system etc you prefer. Being nit picky yes for a given price point Nikon are making better bodies in terms of the sensor performance, but in real life you are unlikely to see the difference apart from extreme circumstances. As for canon lenses being better it depends what you're comparing. Some are some aren't.

But as above, don't just get stuck looking at Canon and Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, and Fuji all make excellent cameras and lenses. Think about whether you'd prefer DSLR or mirrorless (internet's full of info on the difference).
 
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From your profile you are in Liverpool.
There is a Wilkinson camera shop bang in the centre. Go in and have a play. That won't tell you much about how the various bodies perform out there in the real world but it will give you an idea of how the feel in your hands and how easy you think that selecting the various menu functions will be.

Might be something as simple as the lens mounts - Nikon turn the opposite way to most others. You are unlikely to buy the "best" camera first time out. What does "best" mean, anyway?

Don't restrict yourself to Canikon. There are many other makes to consider. If you are solely going to take pictures of greyhound racing you are limiting your choices severely, as has already been said. How long before you want pictures of other things? Will you need a different set up?

Don't restrict yourself to Wilkinsons. They are just one shop and are determined to separate you from your money. Use your newly acquired bus pass and take the train to Chester for free. Two more shops there. Camera Solutions and LCE. See what they have in store and don't discount buying used.

Most folk on here will recommend what they are using at present. Me? I'd say Fuji and I've shot BSB with it so greyhounds may not be a problem. But you won't know until you try and you have to accept that your first purchase may be totally wrong for you.
 
Both are excellent systems, as others have said I can only advise you go and use some hands on & see what you prefer in your hands, button layouts, menus etc.
 
Personally I would do as mickledore said. Have a play with both of them. See how they feel, navigate the menus, see how the settings change in manual...
Then I would also look at what lenses you want to purchase, look at costs of them aswel. I've found when I'm searching for lenses for my nikon I've found Canon fit lenses to be cheaper in some cases. Especially with the lower end lenses.
 
Excuse me for asking this but I'm new to photography and am seeking some newby advice, after having a good read on the forums, am I right in saying Nikon are better for bodies and Canon better for lenses ? it seems there is a big difference of opinions
Sounds like repetition distortion of the old, Nikon make lenses, Cannon make bodies, chestnut.
Many many decades ago, Nikkon, were a lens-maker, Cannon were a camera body maker, and ought n Nkon lenses to incorporate into their own cameras; hence suggestion that Nikon made better lenses, Cannon made better bodies, as that was originally their area of specialization, and each was playing catch-up t the other outside it. That WAS however a very-VERY long time ago, as in the 1950's/60's, and probably wasn't true by the 70's/80's let alone 90's or millennium.
Cannon were fast to market 'Auto-Focus' SLR cameras; they weren't the first, but they were the more practicable.... Nikon, were slower to promote AF, and persevered with an in camera motor rather than in-lens motor, where Cannon had patented the 'Silent-Wave' in lens motor.
That technology co-incided with the vogue of the zoom lens, which made it some-what more practical and affordable, to replace a bag full of maybe five or six 'prime' lenses with just two, or even just one, wide range 'zoom'.
Now, a zoom lens is hugely compromised in design to offer a variable focal length; they frequently don't have as fast a maximum aperture; they cant have as 'rigid' a construction, and will usually have to compromise their ultimate optical quality, to pack in 'all' the features necessary, even at a more expensive price point....
And here in lies the googlie....
I have two 'genuine' Nikkor lenses for my electric-picture maker; the 'kit' 18-55 and the 'kit' 55-300.. slapping an M42 converter, on my EPM, even with a correction element in it, and then using say the 29mm or 50mm or 135mm or 300mm 'primes' from my old film camera give NOTICEABLY better image quality over the Nikkor lenses, despite the corrected converter mount, and despite the M42 lenses being both 'old' and except in the case of the Ziess 50, 'propriety' lesser makes, like Hanimex or Pentacon...
These 'modern' Nikkor brand lenses, at the budget end of the scale are really not all that wonderful, despite the brand name emblazoned on the side.. they are very 'cheap' lenses; the 18-55 notably actually costing less with the kit than it would on its own!
So you HAVE to be a little more discerning, there really ISN'T a generality here!
'Some' Nkon lenses are likely better than some Cannon, and vice versa, and there are likely a lot of independent 3rd party lenses 'better' then either, certainly within certain price brackets.
Until maybe six or seven years ago, Cannon 'probably' had better digital sensors, or at least ore mega-pixie sensors than did Nikon, now, ts flipped, and Nikon often have more mega-pixies and are applauded for better dynamic range and stuff....
Whilst some prefer the handling and button prodding way a Cannon works, others how a Nikon does....
B-U-T we are still talking wild generalities, and just looking at Digital cameras of the last ten years HUGE differences within each makers camera ranges!

It is an unanswerable question.... it REALLY is.....

More,i ts a question you should ask, does t eve NEED to be asked, or answered?

As said, the lenses from my old film cameras enormously out-perform, as far as IQ, the modern kit lenses I got with the camera. This does NOT mean I am faffing with the adapter and old legacy lenses every time I pick up the digit-camera, or fretting over what lens 'upgrade' to get!!!

End of the day, "Does it work? Does it work well ENOUGH?"

I've bee at this lark, umpety decades, and the weak-link i how good any of my photo's may or may not be, ISN'T the lens on the front, or the camera on the back, but the idiot pressing the buttons! ME!

I chose Nikon, as to me it was more 'intuitive' to use, (even though I STILL try screwing the lens on and off the wrong way!) where the Cannon felt a lot more like a smurf-phone and needed a lot more menu interrogation to make it do anything, but some folk like that, it seems.

As said, even having dissed the kit lenses, I still have them, even though I know they aren't the best and even have better... bottom line, they do the job! and they were 'cheap', and I probably wouldn't achieve much better with anything more expensive very often. 18-55 is then y most used lens on the EPM.

If you are just starting out, don't sweat the small stuff. Try both, see what YOU find easiest to pick up, hold, turn on and take a photo with.

Just about anything made n the last ten years will almost certainly have more capability than you for a long while, and YOU will be the weak-link, in the chain, not the camera, not the lens; so you will get far more paying attention to the instruction book, than the brochure specs.
 
Canon vs Nikon is really down to preference, and should be based on which you feel more comfortable, But as above, don't just get stuck looking at Canon and Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, and Fuji all make excellent cameras and lenses. Think about whether you'd prefer DSLR or mirrorless (internet's full of info on the difference).

See how each manufacturers model feels in the hands, at your given price point, along with how the menu's work etc, then make your choice,

A friend of mine had been hooked on Canons for a number of years at the £500 - £750 price bracket, his camera had packed up on a joint shoot, so he borrowed my spare Pentax K5iis, fell in love with the handling, the quality feel compared to his Canon, the low light capability and purchased the K3ii a month or so later.
 
Don't worry about image quality differences. Nikon and Canon are on a par for this. 3 things worth considering:

1. The menu system. This is something you will use constantly and Nikon and Canon have very different menu systems and ways of getting to certain settings and info. The way to know which suits you better is to handle them both, go through the settings and feel which one is more intuitive to you.

2. Body construction and feel in the hands. Again, handle them both and feel which one suits your hands, style of shooting. Are the buttons/dials that you use constantly in the right place or do they make the process of shooting feel clunky?

3. What lenses are available? Here's where Nikon will win out. The Nikon F Mount has been around since 1959. All lenses produced with this mount and since that date will still work today on your brand new DSLR. Some will work in manual mode only but they will all work. That gives you a HUGE array of lenses from which to choose and some that are still fantastic lenses can be picked up for pennies. I still buy lenses that are 40 or 50 years old because they are absolute corkers and often not bettered by their newer counterparts or because they are specialist lenses and no longer produced at all. That to me is the BIG advantage with the Nikon system and why I've used it for 30 years now.
 
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Canon vs Nikon is really down to preference, and should be based on which you feel more comfortable with, which you prefer the ergonomics of and which menu system etc you prefer. Being nit picky yes for a given price point Nikon are making better bodies in terms of the sensor performance, but in real life you are unlikely to see the difference apart from extreme circumstances. As for canon lenses being better it depends what you're comparing. Some are some aren't.

But as above, don't just get stuck looking at Canon and Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, and Fuji all make excellent cameras and lenses. Think about whether you'd prefer DSLR or mirrorless (internet's full of info on the difference).

I'd suggest also looking at secondhand when starting out. Don't go all in with an expensive system until you've learnt the basics. One of the advantages of canon/nikon is there are a large amount of second hand systems around both bodies and lenses, plus when lookin at new there's a wide selection at all prices to suit.
 
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3. What lenses are available? He's where Nikon will win out. The Nikon F Mount has been around since 1959. All lenses produced with this mount and since that date will still work today on your brand new DSLR. Some will work in manual mode only but they will all work. That gives you a HUGE array of lenses from which to choose and some that are still fantastic lenses can be picked up for pennies. I still buy lenses that are 40 or 50 years old because they are absolute corkers and often not bettered by their newer counterparts or because they are specialist lenses and no longer produced at all. That to me is the BIG advantage with the Nikon system and why I've used it for 30 years now.
Oh dear, I try to avoid these threads but...
I thought this old chestnut had died in 1999. For the last 30years Canon has outsold Nikon 2:1, a quick google shows MPB have over 300 S/h lenses for each system. And the current Canon lens lineup is (only slightly) better than Nikon, and that ‘brand new’ canon mount is now 30 years old.

And let’s be honest; all those old Nikon F lenses that only work manually on a new Nikon, will also work manually on a new Canon too with a cheap adaptor. (Not that I’d recommend doing so)

There’s a hundred good reasons to choose a Nikon over a Canon (and I might do that if starting tomorrow), but this ‘fact’ isn’t one of them. It’s misleading at best and completely untrue at worst.
 
Oh no, Canon VS Nikon thread. Here we go
Maybe.
But that's how I feel too.
I think Nikon cameras are awesome but I don't feel drawn to the optics.
Hence, I am a Canon owner.
 
[QUOTE="Phil V, post: 8043338, member: 24798"

There’s a hundred good reasons to choose a Nikon over a Canon.[/QUOTE]
and some might say the other way is true also :-)
Matt
 
Oh dear, I try to avoid these threads but...
I thought this old chestnut had died in 1999. For the last 30years Canon has outsold Nikon 2:1, a quick google shows MPB have over 300 S/h lenses for each system. And the current Canon lens lineup is (only slightly) better than Nikon, and that ‘brand new’ canon mount is now 30 years old.

And let’s be honest; all those old Nikon F lenses that only work manually on a new Nikon, will also work manually on a new Canon too with a cheap adaptor. (Not that I’d recommend doing so)

There’s a hundred good reasons to choose a Nikon over a Canon (and I might do that if starting tomorrow), but this ‘fact’ isn’t one of them. It’s misleading at best and completely untrue at worst.

Well, maybe I'm just being biased or old or both. :D
 
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[QUOTE="Phil V, post: 8043338, member: 24798"

There’s a hundred good reasons to choose a Nikon over a Canon.
and some might say the other way is true also :)
Matt

Simple fact is, as a beginner and far beyond, you’re very unlikely to run into the limitations of any system, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony, Olympus etc. You’ll almost certainly run out of money though :)
 
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Easy answer is , which ever one you find easier to use. Try a hands on with both makes before deciding.
 
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Easy answer is , which ever one you find easier to use. Try a hands on with both makes before deciding.

This, this, and this again.

Way back when I bought my first DSLR the only thing that swayed me one way or another was the ergonomics. I tried the Canon 350D against (I think) the Nikon D50 and I honestly couldn't fathom the Nikon while the Canon seemed very intuitive. Years later, and several Canons later, I've developed Canon muscle memory and could probably never change platform.

Either system will serve you well, produce superb images and drain your wallet but choose wisely at the outset.
 
Excuse me for asking this but I'm new to photography and am seeking some newby advice, after having a good read on the forums, am I right in saying Nikon are better for bodies and Canon better for lenses ? it seems there is a big difference of opinions
Is this a question to help you buy a camera, or just a general "out of interest" question.

In a very general sense, it may well be about right except I would say that in terms of Nikon, its not better bodies, but better sensor/image processor quality. However, in terms of "buying" one make over the other, knowing whether its correct or not, isn't at all useful, as the generalisation breaks down when you start to compare "specific" camera bodies and lenses, and when you try to tie down what is meant by "better".
 
This, this, and this again.

Way back when I bought my first DSLR the only thing that swayed me one way or another was the ergonomics. I tried the Canon 350D against (I think) the Nikon D50 and I honestly couldn't fathom the Nikon while the Canon seemed very intuitive. Years later, and several Canons later, I've developed Canon muscle memory and could probably never change platform.

Either system will serve you well, produce superb images and drain your wallet but choose wisely at the outset.

^Indeed.
My first DSLR was actually a Sony (a100) but while I owned that I tried a Nikon for a few days in fact, and just didn't get on with the ergonomics and menu systems.
Later on I tried a Canon 50D and 5D2, they just worked in my hands and I ended up swapping from Sony to Canon.

Ignore all the "Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji are better because.....", just go and try some for yourself.
As for what is a "good" camera body or lens............. Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji and Pentax all make some good bodies and good lenses. "Good" is relative and it's ultimately down to personal preference.
 
Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony etc. all make great cameras. I use Canon purely for the MP-E 65mm but also love the x100 series of Fuji cameras. Try things out if you can and maybe watch lots of youtube videos to see if anything stands out to you.
 
Ignore people's advice is my advice. You could be swayed by the majority of 52% that say one model is the best. Then you get home with your new camera only to find it doesn't work (ie has a fault) or suddenly not like it as much as you did in the shop..

OH has Canon and I have Nikon, we have different perceptions regarding handling and ergonomics. I primarily use Pentax, I get more joy using the K-1 than I do using the D810 and D500. Ergonomically the Nikon and Pentax aren't too far apart, Canon is just alien to me.

Backwards compatability on Nikon isn't quite as straightforward as you might think, the D3*00 and D5*00 series cameras will need the latest AF-S lenses to work fully. Even the Pentax K-mount if experiencing similar - newer PLM lenses won't fully function on older bodies. So you could end up buying something only to find that an upgrade path isn't as straightforward as it should be.

You could also fall in love with the mirrorless cameras - all excellent - but the rate at which Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic bring out new cameras, you'll find yourself with an old obselete model in no time.

Basically there is no winner in the argument, anything you buy will be very, very good.

But the best piece of advice I can give, whatever you buy go out and enjoy using.
 
Olympus ;)

For a general togger, owt will suffice.

Hackneyed, I know, but it's what's behind the camera what matters.

Cheers.
 
Just in case no one has said this already...

These days I think the first question should be should I go for a DSLR or for a Mirrorless system.
 
I get a distinct feeling that OP won't be back on here. It's just a guess but the replies he's received don't seem to fit in with the apparent idea of retiring, buying a system for a couple of hundred quid and immediately rattling off dozens of shots of greyhound racing.

I may be wrong. Only time will tell.
 
and to add to that you are not always welcome but you can get some great images

Mike

My old Dad would have loved that, some togger turning up with a half way decent camera taking photos of him................. he had a hard enough job explaining where he was to my Mum without explaining why his photo appeared in Greyhound Weekly every week.

Matt
 
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