Canon FF mirrorless...

[Tysonator]

The new Canon EOS R I hoped was going to be the reason for me not to buy a Sony A7iii !

Though this EOS R is a step in the right direction it is a very expensive step for the once loyal canon user to stay a canon user and not migrate over to Sony and dear I say Fujifilm !
I am disappointed in the slow FPS, low pass filter ( so Nikons are still going to produce sharper IQ ) , 1.7 crop in 4K, lack of 120pfs in 1080, and 100fps in 720....really who uses 720 these days !
For stills the EOS R is not bad, however there are better and cheaper options and video is just poor even though there is new codec offerings.

Today's modern cameras tend to be jack of all trades because the technology allows them to do so and the EOS R falls very short of this. Like most people I can not afford to invest in dedicated cameras for certain types of shoots and so I adapt my technique with my current camera for the shoot conditions.

Canon have a vast R&D teams, huge data base of information on rivals cameras performance and all they could offer was the EOS R !
Canons marketing strategy of straggling lower models of features to protect high end range hoping you will upgrade to a more expensive model is not sound. Well it has not happened with me !

This Camera may be enough to stop canon users from migrating to another system as re investing in new glass and speedlites is very, very expensive.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The new Canon EOS R I hoped was going to be the reason for me not to buy a Sony A7iii !

Though this EOS R is a step in the right direction it is a very expensive step for the once loyal canon user to stay a canon user and not migrate over to Sony and dear I say Fujifilm !
I am disappointed in the slow FPS, low pass filter ( so Nikons are still going to produce sharper IQ ) , 1.7 crop in 4K, lack of 120pfs in 1080, and 100fps in 720....really who uses 720 these days !
For stills the EOS R is not bad, however there are better and cheaper options and video is just poor even though there is new codec offerings.

Today's modern cameras tend to be jack of all trades because the technology allows them to do so and the EOS R falls very short of this. Like most people I can not afford to invest in dedicated cameras for certain types of shoots and so I adapt my technique with my current camera for the shoot conditions.

Canon have a vast R&D teams, huge data base of information on rivals cameras performance and all they could offer was the EOS R !
Canons marketing strategy of straggling lower models of features to protect high end range hoping you will upgrade to a more expensive model is not sound. Well it has not happened with me !

This Camera may be enough to stop canon users from migrating to another system as re investing in new glass and speedlites is very, very expensive.

Just want to comment on the Low Pass filter, don't let that stop you as the A7III has one and that camera is VERY sharp.

 

[simonbarker]

Just want to comment on the Low Pass filter, don't let that stop you as the A7III has one and that camera is VERY sharp.

The AA filter on the A73 is very weak though, it's why I get such obvious moire from it, I'm not a fan of the approach used on this camera even though it does produce very sharp images.

 

[RedRobin]

The new Canon EOS R I hoped was going to be the reason for me not to buy a Sony A7iii !

Though this EOS R is a step in the right direction it is a very expensive step for the once loyal canon user to stay a canon user and not migrate over to Sony and dear I say Fujifilm !

Canon have a vast R&D teams, huge data base of information on rivals cameras performance and all they could offer was the EOS R !

Canons marketing strategy of straggling lower models of features to protect high end range hoping you will upgrade to a more expensive model is not sound. Well it has not happened with me !

This Camera may be enough to stop canon users from migrating to another system as re investing in new glass and speedlites is very, very expensive.

....Hang on in there! This first Canon EOS R body and its lenses and adapters are only a first step and, in my opinion, a very practical and inspiring first step.

If you already use various bodies and lenses in the EOS system, then have some faith in Canon. The future with them looks very promising - Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[woof woof]

....Hang on in there! This first Canon EOS R body and its lenses and adapters are only a first step and, in my opinion, a very practical and inspiring first step.

If you already use various bodies and lenses in the EOS system, then have some faith in Canon. The future with them looks very promising - Rome wasn't built in a day.

You could have said similar things about the Sony A7 but that was several years ago now.

Canon have kicked off with a system with a couple of interesting things but behind the curve on others and I have to wonder why and I see two explanations, either Canon have deliberately hobbled the camera or they haven't got the ability to match Sony tech.

IMO neither of these scenarios inspire faith or point to a promising future. They point to a continuation of the present - behind the SOTA bodies and deliberately hobbled models.

 

[redhed17]

....Hang on in there! This first Canon EOS R body and its lenses and adapters are only a first step and, in my opinion, a very practical and inspiring first step.

If you already use various bodies and lenses in the EOS system, then have some faith in Canon. The future with them looks very promising - Rome wasn't built in a day.

If you're a Canon user who has wanted a mirrorless FF Canon, and you are not happy with what they have given you in the last week, how long do you wait for them to do it, and what guarantee that they will give you what you want!

No manufacturer gives you plans for their future cameras, but I don't think Canon has given a 'roadmap' (dislike that word ) for their lens plans, which I think almost, if not all mirrorless manufacturers have done when they have entered the market. All I have seen was mention of 1.8 primes in the future, but I may have missed it.

And you can stratify your range from the start like Nikon has done, with a lower res/fast(ish) camera and a higher res/slower camera. That potentially leaves an a9/D5/1DXII type camera for a three camera range. Will Canon have higher specced cameras, lower specced cameras, higher/lower resolution cameras! Will they have other mirrorless cameras! Who knows.

 

[Brazo]

....Hang on in there! This first Canon EOS R body and its lenses and adapters are only a first step and, in my opinion, a very practical and inspiring first step.

If you already use various bodies and lenses in the EOS system, then have some faith in Canon. The future with them looks very promising - Rome wasn't built in a day.

If you already have canon lenses then your ‘much’ better off using them on a Sony A73 body!

 

[Canon Bob]

I don't think they have the tech to make IBIS work at all... Yet.

Canon have long been proponents of optical stabilisation as opposed to sensor shifting and I believe that we'll see an IBIS (otical) system in the not too distant future (based on a patent filed earlier this year)

 

[RedRobin]

If you already have canon lenses then your ‘much’ better off using them on a Sony A73 body!

....Are you being serious!? Are you seriously suggesting that Canon EF L lenses are better off being used on a Sony body than a Canon 1DX-2?

What cameras and lenses do you use to support that suggestion? And what subjects do you photograph?

 

[Cagey75]

....Are you being serious!? Are you seriously suggesting that Canon EF L lenses are better off being used on a Sony body than a Canon 1DX-2?

What cameras and lenses do you use to support that suggestion? And what subjects do you photograph?

Pretty sure he meant over using them on the new Canon R

 

[Mike.P]

Pretty sure he meant over using them on the new Canon R

Pretty sure you are right considering he quoted Robins own post

....Hang on in there! This first Canon EOS R body and its lenses and adapters are only a first step

 

[Finste]

The new Canon EOS R I hoped was going to be the reason for me not to buy a Sony A7iii !

Canon have a vast R&D teams, huge data base of information on rivals cameras performance and all they could offer was the EOS R !
Canons marketing strategy of straggling lower models of features to protect high end range hoping you will upgrade to a more expensive model is not sound. Well it has not happened with me !

Canon's marketing team are also very large and have a better understanding of what their customers *actually* buy more than anybody else outside the company. They know how to run their business.

So what if you (or anyone else for that matter) leave Canon, this camera may well bring Canon new customers. And if it does, their reasons for buying it will be every bit as valid as your or anyone else's reasons for leaving.

Also, not that this is related to what you wrote, the idea that s**thead Youtube talking heads or Phony Phanboys know Canon's market better than them is just hilarious. Indeed, you only have to look through this thread to see all the examples of "truth by assertion" and "reference to self" by Phony Phanboys to see how little they know.

Regards....

 

[Gaz J]

I can see the argument of using canon lenses via an adaptor on a Sony body but most of the stuff I’ve read has generally been to do with relatively short focal length lenses where speed of AF is not perhaps the biggest issue. I’ve not seen much in the use of long focal length lenses and, whilst I haven’t spent hours trawling the net, what I have seen doesn’t fill me with confidence.

Also with a lot of photographers buying into third party manufacturers such as Sigma, how do these perform on Sony via adaptors.

A guy I know has just posted a bit on FB about his wide angle 14 & 20mm Sigma Art lenses performance on his Sony A73 as giving poor corner performance compared to when he uses them on his Canon 5D4.

 

[RedRobin]

If you're a Canon user who has wanted a mirrorless FF Canon, and you are not happy with what they have given you in the last week, how long do you wait for them to do it, and what guarantee that they will give you what you want!

....Until Canon offer a much higher spec mirrorless FF body, I am not interested to add it to my EOS system. And even then, I am not a great fan of mirrorless (yes, I do own a mirrorless body).

No manufacturer gives you plans for their future cameras ----> <---- Will Canon have higher specced cameras, lower specced cameras, higher/lower resolution cameras! Will they have other mirrorless cameras! Who knows.

....You seem to have contradicted yourself there.

Indeed nobody knows outside a manufacturer's very private inner circle who are sworn to keep their knowledge highly confidential, and that's the way it needs to be.

Based on Canon's high standards of design and build, their history and their ethos, I have faith in their future ability to continue satisfying my needs by equipping me with tools which I enjoy using and which deliver pictures which I like, all irrespective of being mirrorless or not.

 

[redhed17]

....You seem to have contradicted yourself there.

Indeed nobody knows outside a manufacturer's very private inner circle who are sworn to keep their knowledge highly confidential, and that's the way it needs to be.

Based on Canon's high standards of design and build, their history and their ethos, I have faith in their future ability to continue satisfying my needs by equipping me with tools which I enjoy using and which deliver pictures which I like, all irrespective of being mirrorless or not.

Could Canon have bucked the trend and divulged their plans! Unlikely I grant you. Doesn't alter the fact that they have not revealed, afaik, their future plans for the new mount, which could be quite important for those considering the system.

As an atheist I have problems with belief and faith, but I hope Canon repay everyone's belief and faith in them.

 

[RedRobin]

Could Canon have bucked the trend and divulged their plans! Unlikely I grant you. Doesn't alter the fact that they have not revealed, afaik, their future plans for the new mount, which could be quite important for those considering the system.

....Isn't the future of Canon's EOS-R addition to the system so obvious that it doesn't need spelling out in black and white? And anyway, Canon's officials have given plenty of indications in the official Canon videos.

Do you switch camera brands and their systems just because of a couple of new technical features seen in a small window of time? Surely not < Unless you are addicted to having the latest version of everything. Each to their own I suppose.

The types of cameras being discussed in this thread are not entry-level.

 

[Brazo]

....Are you being serious!? Are you seriously suggesting that Canon EF L lenses are better off being used on a Sony body than a Canon 1DX-2?

What cameras and lenses do you use to support that suggestion? And what subjects do you photograph?

Read thread title before posting!

 

[HoppyUK]

Not sure where the industry is with global shutters.
<snip>

Canon is progressing nicely on global shutters with various prototypes* and patents, and a global shutter is already an (expensive) option in the Canon C700 professional Super-35 format cinema camera.

That's what we know, but since all the big electronics brands are working furiously on this - it's the Holy Grail, a solid-state camera with no moving parts - Sony, Panasonic, Samsung etc could spring a surprise.

*If this prototype Canon 9x7mm 5.3mp sensor with global shutter capability was scaled up, it would make a 75mp on full-frame
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/...global-shutter/5mp-global-shutter-cmos-sensor
A global shuttered mirrorless camera may be only a couple of generations away.

 

[HoppyUK]

In Canon's case it may be that they simply don't want to compete with Sony on their terms.

What I mean by that is, had Canon put out a A73 beater at the same price point what do they then do for the rest of their range? Right now there's a clear gap between the R and their high resolution, action and pro bodies so why fight a battle where Sony has an advantage when they can maintain the business strategy that has worked so successfully for them over the years? It does rely on a lot of people sticking with Canon due to inertia (good or bad) but that's probably a safe bet on their part.



One thing these new Nikon and Canon bodies have done is show how impressive the technology in the A9 is, when we've got that level of performance available in the low/mid range bodies then the technology might be plateauing. I do agree that most of the things Sony need to fix aren't really technology but rather handling/implementation. There's still plenty of room for improvement though, I find the A73 especially prone to moire (worse than a D810, which seems odd but maybe the sensor resolution difference?) and the new EVF sounds very promising.

Then let's not forget all the omissions on Sony's side, non-existent touch screen interface, non-functioning AF assist, no fully articulating rear display, really awful wireless control, bracketing, focus stepping, pixelshift across the range etc. That's anywhere from 3-10 years of stuff I can think of as a layman let alone pure R&D technology improvements.



I expect they haven't incorporated it to increase their profit margin, give more features to newer/higher end models or possibility because their implementation isn't quite ready yet but the discussion on which is better seems a little moot when the best results come from combining both.

Agree. Looked at from Canon's market position re DSLRs and from a business perspective transitioning to mirrorless, the Canon R seems very well judged overall - specs, price, positioning and performance all make perfect sense. It's not for me, because I don't want a mirrorless 6DMk2, but they've left plenty of space above the EOS R for a couple more higher-spec models that'll be along pretty soon. I just wish I had the same feeling of confidence about Nikon.

 

[daffington]

Canon were always going to have a tricky intro into the mirrorless world - firstly they're a bit too late to the party, secondly they have a core business that they don't really want to kill off in the sense of where their DSLRs and I'm sure they've also had to take into consideration the whole M range too and where their position in the market is.

Whilst most will consider the missing elements of the new camera, which are relatively easily covered by new iterations in the next year or two, it's being relatively overlooked how great the new lenses are. They've announced some absolute beasts all at once - and aside from the macro, all live under the 'L' umbrella. Meaning there is some huge potential here too with the non-L additions to the RF mount range.

The 28-70mm f/2 has to be one of the most exciting zoom lenses released in the last few years for sure. Yes it's a hefty looking chap, and lofty in price too, but what a great lens this could be!

 

[Finste]

Canon were always going to have a tricky intro into the mirrorless world - firstly they're a bit too late to the party,

And who are all the big players at this FF mirrorless party that Canon will not be able to compete with? Or don't have the money or expertise to compete with? The consumer electronics company Sony perhaps?

Let me put your claim in a different part of the economy to see how well the argument behind it stacks up.

Ford (1903) have a tricky entry into the car world, firstly they are a bit late to the party as Benz created the first car in 1886.

Seem to be doing ok though.

Regards...

 

[redhed17]

....Isn't the future of Canon's EOS-R addition to the system so obvious that it doesn't need spelling out in black and white? And anyway, Canon's officials have given plenty of indications in the official Canon videos.

Do you switch camera brands and their systems just because of a couple of new technical features seen in a small window of time? Surely not < Unless you are addicted to having the latest version of everything. Each to their own I suppose.

The types of cameras being discussed in this thread are not entry-level.

When it comes to mirrorless all bets are off imho. I would have expected both Canon and Nikon to have been closer to Sony with their first FF mirrorless cameras.

Also, seeing as the Canon and Nikon cameras are slightly larger than the Sony's I would have expected a smaller lens straight from the off to try and at least make the system seem smaller even if they were larger. Having a more affordable lens would have been a good option too.

Will Canon and Nikon have smaller, hopefully cheaper, lenses? I don't know and neither do you.

If you buy into a system without an idea of what is to come, with regards to types of lenses, quality / size / weight and they may all turn out to be, in Canon talk, L lenses with size, weight and costs of those lenses. That is why every other manufacturer that have entered into the mirrorless market have also given lens roadmap for at least a couple of years. Even Nikon did this and they are normally as secretive as Canon with their lens plans. It gives confidence in the new system.

 

[redhed17]

Canon is progressing nicely on global shutters with various prototypes* and patents, and a global shutter is already an (expensive) option in the Canon C700 professional Super-35 format cinema camera.

That's what we know, but since all the big electronics brands are working furiously on this - it's the Holy Grail, a solid-state camera with no moving parts - Sony, Panasonic, Samsung etc could spring a surprise.

*If this prototype Canon 9x7mm 5.3mp sensor with global shutter capability was scaled up, it would make a 75mp on full-frame
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/...global-shutter/5mp-global-shutter-cmos-sensor
A global shuttered mirrorless camera may be only a couple of generations away.

Thank you Hoppy, you have increased my knowledge. [emoji4]

 

[Mike.P]

And who are all the big players at this FF mirrorless party that Canon will not be able to compete with? Or don't have the money or expertise to compete with? The consumer electronics company Sony perhaps?
.

Talk about mis-quote ... where did he say that Canon wouldn't be able to compete? Where did he say they don't have the money or expertise?

All he said was that Canon were late to the party which they are (as are Nikon) and they are playing catchup ... which is true enough.

 

[Finste]

Talk about mis-quote ... where did he say that Canon wouldn't be able to compete? Where did he say they don't have the money or expertise?

All he said was that Canon were late to the party which they are (as are Nikon) and they are playing catchup ... which is true enough.

True he is not literally saying that they can't compete but phrase "too late to the party" clearly implies that.

Regards...

 

[meduk1]

So for someone with no baggage of existing lenses and brand commitment, what's the thoughts? I had been set on a Sony A7(r - maybe)III, but given Canons recent announcement I'm really tempted. The new 24-105 looks good, as does the body. Nothings perfect right now but with no commitments to Canon, Nikon or Sony I'm seriously considering the new R

 

[daffington]

True he is not literally saying that they can't compete but phrase "too late to the party" clearly implies that.

No, I wasn't implying they can't compete - and I think their first foray into FF is strong. Photographers tend to be pretty brand-loyal, so a Canon fan is probably pretty satisfied with the offering whereas a Sony fan is not likely to be tempted over!

Maybe 'too late' was a stretch, but they're late to the party! They're the market leader and should've been out with a full-frame mirrorless camera much before 2018. The Sony a7 is 5 years old and has had a chance to build up a really strong collection of lenses, which really was its biggest turn-off as a system up until about 3 years ago when they started ramping up their FE range of lenses.

I just feel this system will take a few years to become truly outstanding - and in my opinion think they should have been farther up that path by now.

 

[Faldrax]

And who are all the big players at this FF mirrorless party that Canon will not be able to compete with? Or don't have the money or expertise to compete with? The consumer electronics company Sony perhaps?

Both Sony And Canon are large companies producing a range of products, of which cameras and lenses are just one division (Canon still list Fax machines among the products they produce, for example).
Sony are also one of the largest produces of camera sensors of all types (from phone cameras to the market leading Medium Format digital sensors) - they also are currently No 1 on FF camera sales in the US (that's toal FF, not just mirrorless).

So the big player - it's Sony - and that's what Canon and Nikon will be compared to - at least at first.

The EOS R is a good camera, but on a like for like comparison on paper the Sony A7iii has it soundly beaten in several areas.

What we need now is to wait for actual cameras to get into peoples hands, so we can start to get real feedback on how it is for various styles of shooting - and just how well it works with adapted Canon lenses compared to the Sony with adapted Canon lenses.

The good news, for us as consumers, is that there is now some competition in the FF mirrorless market - and having seen the huge leaps forward Sony have made (Compare the A7iii and A9 to the original A7) WITHOUT a direct competitor to force them onward, we can look forward to some great things to come (hopefuly from all 3 main brands).

 

[daffington]

So for someone with no baggage of existing lenses and brand commitment, what's the thoughts? I had been set on a Sony A7(r - maybe)III, but given Canons recent announcement I'm really tempted. The new 24-105 looks good, as does the body. Nothings perfect right now but with no commitments to Canon, Nikon or Sony I'm seriously considering the new R

You're in a fortunate situation!

Main things people will probably say - depends what you need it for, depends on budget, depends on future ambitions.

If you were only to get one lens initially, I'm not sure that Sony's versatile zoom lenses would be as good (in my opinion) as the 24-105mm RF (based on how good the EF variant is).

Canon has an amazing array of lenses available in EF-mount and if you're interested in a range of photography then they're a safe bet. Sony has amazing lenses now, but if you're after Wildlife they aren't as strong (again in my opinion!).

 

[RedRobin]

If you buy into a system without an idea of what is to come, with regards to types of lenses, quality / size / weight and they may all turn out to be, in Canon talk, L lenses with size, weight and costs of those lenses. That is why every other manufacturer that have entered into the mirrorless market have also given lens roadmap for at least a couple of years. Even Nikon did this and they are normally as secretive as Canon with their lens plans. It gives confidence in the new system.

....I have already bought into the Canon EOS system. They already have very high quality EF lenses and the newly released lenses are concrete evidence of their standards of excellence being continued. I, and many others who enjoy shooting with Canon, don't need a roadmap - We already have confidence in the brand and furthermore are very well catered for with the introduction of not just one but three lens adapters. I already use a Canon EF adapter to mount some of my L lenses on a mirrorless EOS M5 (I have no use for the small M lenses) and it permanently lives on my M5 body and works perfec

- IF I buy any EOS-R bodies I will be able to mount my L lenses.

- IF I buy any EF-R lenses I will be able to mount them on my D-SLR bodies.

What's not to like?

 

[Faldrax]

- IF I buy any EF-R lenses I will be able to mount them on my D-SLR bodies.

Are you sure on this one?

You can mount DSLR lenses on the EOS R because it has a shorter flange distance (so you can add a simple tube as an adapter).
Doing the reverse would require some from of optical elements as the lenses woudl be further away from the sensor than they were designed for.

 

[woof woof]

I've been thinking about why I've been rather negative about both Canon and Nikon's new cameras and I think it's because they just don't seem to be trying hard enough. I never went to work thinking "I'll just cruise today" or anything like it, I went to work to win, as in to pass the audit / get the accreditation / certification / raise the bar / or whatever it was and these latest offerings just make me think that Canikon should have been really trying to be the best at the price point or to set a new standard but I don't think they have been really trying and that's what disappoints me.

Oh well...

 

[woof woof]

Are you sure on this one?

You can mount DSLR lenses on the EOS R because it has a shorter flange distance (so you can add a simple tube as an adapter).
Doing the reverse would require some from of optical elements as the lenses woudl be further away from the sensor than they were designed for.

Yup. That'd be my guess too.

 

[HoppyUK]

....I have already bought into the Canon EOS system. They already have very high quality EF lenses and the newly released lenses are concrete evidence of their standards of excellence being continued. I, and many others who enjoy shooting with Canon, don't need a roadmap - We already have confidence in the brand and furthermore are very well catered for with the introduction of not just one but three lens adapters. I already use a Canon EF adapter to mount some of my L lenses on a mirrorless EOS M5 (I have no use for the small M lenses) and it permanently lives on my M5 body and works perfec

- IF I buy any EOS-R bodies I will be able to mount my L lenses.

- IF I buy any EF-R lenses I will be able to mount them on my D-SLR bodies.

What's not to like?

You can't mount EF-R lenses on a DSLR, or M-series cameras.

You can mount EF and EF-S lenses on both R and M cameras.

Edit: more simply, all Canon DSLR lenses will fit any Canon mirrorless camera too. Canon mirrorless lenses will only fit their respective R and M bodies.

 

[RedRobin]

You can't mount EF-R lenses on a DSLR, or M-series cameras.

You can mount EF and EF-S lenses on both R and M cameras.

Edit: more simply, all Canon DSLR lenses will fit any Canon camera. Canon mirrorless lenses will only fit their respective R and M bodies.

....Thanks for correcting me about that and apologies to @Faldrax and @woof woof - I got that wrong in my excitement about how promising I think Canon's mirrorless offerings are going to be.

 

[jonneymendoza]

So for someone with no baggage of existing lenses and brand commitment, what's the thoughts? I had been set on a Sony A7(r - maybe)III, but given Canons recent announcement I'm really tempted. The new 24-105 looks good, as does the body. Nothings perfect right now but with no commitments to Canon, Nikon or Sony I'm seriously considering the new R

Sony hands down. Its the only ff system that is more complete then others.

 

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Sony hands down. Its the only ff system that is more complete then others.

Plus Sony looks good with multi colour clothing,something not all makes do

 

[RedRobin]

I've been thinking about why I've been rather negative about both Canon and Nikon's new cameras and I think it's because they just don't seem to be trying hard enough. I never went to work thinking "I'll just cruise today" or anything like it, I went to work to win, as in to pass the audit / get the accreditation / certification / raise the bar / or whatever it was and these latest offerings just make me think that Canikon should have been really trying to be the best at the price point or to set a new standard but I don't think they have been really trying and that's what disappoints me.

Oh well...

....Alan, I think you are expecting everything to happen too quickly. If you stop and think about everything that is involved in developing such complex products and getting them ready enough to launch on the public, I think that both Canon and Nikon have done well but Canon have done slightly better than Nikon at this stage.

Some photographers keep saying that they think that Sony is miles ahead and offers better features but personally I find them too small, less tactile and less satisfactory ergonomically. Also, the lens range doesn't compare well with Canon's. It surprised me but a friend sold his Sony A7-3 and bought a Canon 5D-4 and much prefers it - But that's just another photographer's differing preferences.

 

[jonneymendoza]

....I have already bought into the Canon EOS system. They already have very high quality EF lenses and the newly released lenses are concrete evidence of their standards of excellence being continued. I, and many others who enjoy shooting with Canon, don't need a roadmap - We already have confidence in the brand and furthermore are very well catered for with the introduction of not just one but three lens adapters. I already use a Canon EF adapter to mount some of my L lenses on a mirrorless EOS M5 (I have no use for the small M lenses) and it permanently lives on my M5 body and works perfec

- IF I buy any EOS-R bodies I will be able to mount my L lenses.

- IF I buy any EF-R lenses I will be able to mount them on my D-SLR bodies.

What's not to like?

Wait. Where did you hear that you can mount the new rf lenses into an ef mount dslr?

 

[RedRobin]

Wait. Where did you hear that you can mount the new rf lenses into an ef mount dslr?

....You missed my post #915