Canon FF mirrorless...

chris malcolm said:
Your last cameras, or your last A-mount cameras?

My current camera is a Sony A77. I've had it for four years and am still really enjoying using it. I'm a budget conscious shooter who usually buys second hand and usually thinks the next model in the range (in this case the A77ii) is not enough of an improvement over the previous to be worth the money. If I had the money I'd be more likely to buy a lens with it. Which is probably why I've got more lenses than I could carry!

My most used lenses are a Sigma 8-16mm, Sony 16-50mm f2.8, Minolta 80-200mm f2.8, Sony 500mm f8 reflex, Sony 135mm STF, Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro, Sony 35mm f1.8, and the "Swiss Army Knife" Tamron 16-300mm which is what sits on the A77 when I've nothing particular in mind, just carrying the camera around in case a photo opportunity turns up.

I'm waiting to see what the rumoured A77iii turns out to be, or whatever upgrade path Sony next offers the A-mount, which might be a backwards compatible B-mount, or a much improved A-mount to E-mount lens adapter.
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I meant to say the last A mount cameras as I moved to a different camera system a while ago. Great lenses you have there and I do hope that Sony continue developing their A mount system for the sake of the few faithful followers that are still using it.
 
Sony probably just haven't got the time or recourses to do everything so it's hardly surprising that A mount is left behind if not actually dead.

If I was an A mount owner I think I'd probably be grudgingly accepting that sadly it was a system that didn't catch on and crack the Canikon duopoly. I think I'd be hoping for a really good adapter and maybe a very generous trade in offer on an A7 series body.

Sadly some things just don't work in the market, even some very good things, and sometimes they fade away over time or just fail, Betamax, Concorde... etc.
 
chris malcolm said:
Don't know of any, probably not, but think there are good reasons for Sony to be holding back on A-mount lens development. They're probably trying to decide whether they've at last got good enough technology to dump the A-mount pellicle mirror, and if so, whether to take that opportunity to upgrade the A-mount to a backwards compatible B-mount with electronic aperture, zoom, etc.. There's also the question of image sensor MP. Increasing MP past 24MP crop and 50MP FF will be shifting into an area where detail resolution is being held back by lens resolution. They've already started revising the top E-mount glass to higher resolution specs. They also have to assess the new mirrorless competition from Nikon and Canon, and how the market reacts to it.
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Why do you think A mount technology is superior to E mount?
 
twist said:
Why do you think A mount technology is superior to E mount?
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It may no longer be, I can't be bothered reading all the reviews carefully enough to decide :-)

The reason for shifting to the pellicle mirror in the A-mount after they introduced the E-mount was that at that time their image sensor based AF couldn't in all respects match the A-mount AF performance. Image sensor AF was better in exact focus, no calibration problems, but slower in AF and not so good in tracking moving targets. Both have improved since then, the E-mount hugely. The A99ii is currently the best A-mount camera, and it's possible the very latest E-mount cameras have been able to match or surpass its AF performance in all respects.
 
chris malcolm said:
It may no longer be, I can't be bothered reading all the reviews carefully enough to decide :)

The reason for shifting to the pellicle mirror in the A-mount after they introduced the E-mount was that at that time their image sensor based AF couldn't in all respects match the A-mount AF performance. Image sensor AF was better in exact focus, no calibration problems, but slower in AF and not so good in tracking moving targets. Both have improved since then, the E-mount hugely. The A99ii is currently the best A-mount camera, and it's possible the very latest E-mount cameras have been able to match or surpass its AF performance in all respects.
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Yup, I was using A mount since A55/580 and Nex from day 1, the shift has now happened with current gen E mount, it's what Sony has been aiming for.

A mount was never a great seller in comparison to Canikon so they had to do something radical. They're at the point where they can put A mount to bed and I think they having been phasing that in for quite some time. The SLT was always a stop gap till on sensor phase was good enough and they need to push E mount even more since the arrival of the competition.

Is be surprised if Sony made profit on the a99 cameras after r&d etc.
 
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Nostromo said:
As long as the quality of the stills photos don't suffer from the inclusion of video, then I don't see the problem. If you or anyone else have no real intrest in video, then there is no need to take any notice of what the vloggers or reviewers have to say.
I have no need for 4k video, I don't have anything to view 4k on and am not likely to in the foreseeable future. So when I was looking for a new camera and the model I was looking at was marked down for not having 4k, it didn't bother me. As for a flip out screen, I do find it useful for some of the things I photograph in liveview (macro/close up). I find it easier to compose a shot when the camera is very close to the ground or above my head.
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I think there's a couple of things around that.

Stills tech has matured for most of us, and it's the advancement of video tech that's the headline on upgrades to differentiate from previous models.
Secondly, video is the future. They'll be wildlife and sports photographers who are already pulling stills from 4k video, and I can only see that increasing as video tech moves towards 8k
 
Doesn't seem to be as much interest or talk for the Canon FF mirrorless as there was for the Nikon FF mirrorless a couple of weeks ago. :thinking:
 
redhed17 said:
Doesn't seem to be as much interest or talk for the Canon FF mirrorless as there was for the Nikon FF mirrorless a couple of weeks ago. :thinking:
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Probably because Canon hasn't teased anything, so far it's still all rumours, there is no official video, photo or ad campaign.
 
dave_bass5 said:
Yeah, Canon have kept this one close to their chest.
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I am much preferring that approach. I thought Nikon were up their own arse for their whole promo, and continue to be. I'd love to see them slaughtered at PK. And before any Nikon heads attack me, I shot Nikon for over 10 years, 4 of their dsal both DX and FX - they just bore me to tears lately

jonneymendoza said:
Not if the leaks are correct!
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That was an actual leak though, Nikon were 'leaking' themselves and keeping people hanging on with their OTT snippets. I thought it was going to be insanely brill form the fist clip, a black hole like!! Was thinking, jaysis, must be capable of a billion ISO they're so full of it

Canon just seem more down to earth about it, it's a new camera release, no need for melodramatics
 
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jonneymendoza said:
Not if the leaks are correct!
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Those are leaks, Nikon released teaser videos. IMO different things. Canon have at least said nothing on the matter until the big announcement. I cant imagine how hard it is for these large companies to keep new products quiet.
We also have Apple’s big event coming up later this month (and in my case GoPro as well). Bloody hell, i need to sell a child or two.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Probably because Canon hasn't teased anything, so far it's still all rumours, there is no official video, photo or ad campaign.
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Yes, but the info is supposed to be released tomorrow. :rolleyes:

By contrast, a mention on DPReview about the article on the Canon Rumors site regarding the Canon FF mirrorless has had 2.3k comments since the 31st Aug. :thinking: None of the articles about the Nikon cameras, speculation pre announcement or all the articles post announcement that I can see have got anywhere near that number of comments there. :thinking:
 
redhed17 said:
Yes, but the info is supposed to be released tomorrow. :rolleyes:

By contrast, a mention on DPReview about the article on the Canon Rumors site regarding the Canon FF mirrorless has had 2.3k comments since the 31st Aug. :thinking: None of the articles about the Nikon cameras, speculation pre announcement or all the articles post announcement that I can see have got anywhere near that number of comments there. :thinking:
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Tomorrow is not today :p
 
Cagey75 said:
1hr8mins then, I want my info at 12am sharp!
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Apparently 3am eastern time. 5 hours behind us. So possibly when we are all at work unless Canon UK also do it based on our time.

Not mirror universe Ray, mirror-less universe lol.
 
Lol you want deep?

Time does not exist because it's not an experience. You cannot experience time. Only the timeless now exists, and you are that. Though even the timeless now is not an experience because the now is this ever constant flux, an endless continuous seamless flow of life, boundlessly free,devoid of any actual location of any beginning nor end. Therefore, nothing is actually moving or going anywhere, it's always being here right now forever nowhere happening. There simply is no room for anything to happen. Things are only appearing to happen in that which never happened.

You are the immediate now aware of time coming and going, that knows time, but you are not in time, you can't be in time otherwise time would keep running out, but time never runs out, because it's infinitely experiencing it self as the subject in finite spacetime duality relative to it's absolute self. Just as the screen behind a movie is projecting the movie, but is not in the movie. You are the timeless projector of time.The screen doesn't happen, only the movie happens, the happening is known by the screen/awareness only as it is happening, in other words as it is going live right now. You are that knowing that cannot be experienced by any other knower, for it is ever one with itself going live right now. There is no dress rehearsal for life, or any time machine to go back and change what is only ever happening now.

The past and future do not exist now, only now exists now. Past is dead and future never comes, the future is always and ever this timeless now of beingness, you cannot experience beingness, because you are it, you can only be it. You have never lived now or in the past of future, because they are not an experience. There is only the awareness of experience, experiencing itself always now as Awareness aware of itself. Right now..where is the past, where is the future? there is only this ever unfolding now...so even past and future are right here now as this unborn timeless moment, the only reality there is, where you always are, and ever will be, and always have been. You've never not been here because without you the witnessing awareness, there is nothing to see.
 
twist said:
Is be surprised if Sony made profit on the a99 cameras after r&d etc.
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Apparently they did or Sony claimed and also got more orders than they planned for (same old more demand story I know!)

TBH A99II probably didn't have huge amounts extra of R&D. Most of it was already done as part of A7RII.
 
Cagey75 said:
That was an actual leak though, Nikon were 'leaking' themselves and keeping people hanging on with their OTT snippets. I thought it was going to be insanely brill form the fist clip, a black hole like!! Was thinking, jaysis, must be capable of a billion ISO they're so full of it

Canon just seem more down to earth about it, it's a new camera release, no need for melodramatics
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I’m always skeptical of “leaks” tbh, I just think they are another way of promoting, another way to get people hyped up. Nikon’s was OTT I agree, but whilst I could be wrong I believe leaks are deliberate, if companies didn’t want the info to get out it wouldn’t do.
 
snerkler said:
I’m always skeptical of “leaks” tbh, I just think they are another way of promoting, another way to get people hyped up. Nikon’s was OTT I agree, but whilst I could be wrong I believe leaks are deliberate, if companies didn’t want the info to get out it wouldn’t do.
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Can you imagine how hard it must be to not get anything leaked. Not only the main company, but all the 3rd party suppliers, actual manufacturers etc. Every person involved must keep tight lipped. It must be a nightmare.
 
Sony are pretty good at keeping leaks tight! canon as well normally
dave_bass5 said:
Can you imagine how hard it must be to not get anything leaked. Not only the main company, but all the 3rd party suppliers, actual manufacturers etc. Every person involved must keep tight lipped. It must be a nightmare.
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dave_bass5 said:
That looks quite sad to me. Those blokes just walking in with their phones over their faces. I understand why they are doing it but still, a bit sad.
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LOL hopefully the Canon EOS R wow's everybody :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
LOL hopefully the Canon EOS R wow's everybody :)
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Not going by the specs, unless it goes on sale for £1200 of course or you’re a Canon fanboy ;)
 
snerkler said:
Not going by the specs, unless it goes on sale for £1200 of course or you’re a Canon fanboy ;)
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I know but it's still good to remain hopeful .... :)
I am pretty disappointed with both Nikon and Canon's first steps into mirrorless....... I wanted something ground breaking..... :(
 
I think both companies have done well for 1st gen, depends on how soon they release their next gen. If they follow traditional timing it'll be 3-4 years.... that's a lot of time for Sony to develop, especially with their budget and class leading sensor design.

It's great that more manufacturers are making FF milc.
 
twist said:
I think both companies have done well for 1st gen, depends on how soon they release their next gen. If they follow traditional timing it'll be 3-4 years.... that's a lot of time for Sony to develop, especially with their budget and class leading sensor design.

It's great that more manufacturers are making FF milc.
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Yup, Panasonic to announce their new FF mirrorless later this month... and Zeiss entering the compact FF segment too. :D
 
EOS R had been announced with some interesting adapters. The drop in filter one is a nice thought.
 
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