Canon FF mirrorless...

Shooting Dual-Pixel AF results in a max shooting speed of 2.2 fps.
Surely that can’t be right? :o
 
HoppyUK said:
Crock of click-bait crap. It reads like having all those market leading products is somehow a bad thing :eek:
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Well, that wasn't my initial reaction :D

I saw it as another example of people getting a bit too invested and carried away. I do appreciate that we geeks do get a bit carried away and although the camera may well fall short of what geeks would like to see a lot of people will see things very differently and buy this "awful" camera.
 
dave_bass5 said:
Well i have no wobble when using my EF and EF-S lenses on my M50’s, not even my 70-300L, so I’m not sure your analysis is right.

I assume the A73 has a flip out screen? ;-)
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Yes the A7iii has a flip out screen and a spec sheet to embarrass the canon but I get @HoppyUK ’s point. It doesn’t matter. It will still end up outselling Sony because the average joe buys on name.

So many examples in history of the inferior product coming out on top. Canons sub frame mirrorless was born to dire reviews and whilst it has improved it has to be the worst mirrorless system out there and yet it’s #1.

Go Canon that’s some damn good marketing/brand name you have.
 
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Don’t think anyone will deny this will sell, and sell very well but it’s gettting tiredsome of these “always behind the competition” release.
 
So...anyone getting ready to buy one?
 
Brazo said:
Yes the A7iii has a flip out screen and a spec sheet to embarrass the canon but I get @HoppyUK ’s point. It doesn’t matter. It will still end up outselling Sony because the average joe buys on name.

So many examples in history of the inferior product coming out on top. Canons sub frame mirrorless was born to dire reviews and whilst it has improved it has to be the worst mirrorless system out there and yet it’s #1.

Go Canon that’s some damn good marketing/brand name you have.
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Yes, a lot of people do buy on a name, but what they're buying into is far more than just a word - it's what it stands for, a reputation hard won over many years, and a guarantee of consistent delivery. That's why brands are so powerful, so persuasive and enduring.
 
Your nose and Face presses or goes right next to your screen making only a small area to touch focus.i tried it on the M5 and prefer joystick
Phil V said:
It doesn’t need a joystick, using a thumb on the screen is fast and accurate.
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Raymond Lin said:
Lol that can’t be right!
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Seems to say so on that pdf document under the Drive section :o
Maybe I’m reading it wrong?

“With Dual Pixel R AW: Max. approx. 2 . 2 fps
High- speed continuous shooting not possible.”
 
HoppyUK said:
IBIS vs in-lens image stabilisation. Both systems use basically the same technology and both suffer from the same limitations when it comes to shifting heavier components quickly and accurately over greater distance.
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Isn't it generally agreed that it's preferable to have both rather than one or the other?
 
Riz_Guru said:
Seems to say so on that pdf document under the Drive section :eek:
Maybe I’m reading it wrong?

“With Dual Pixel R AW: Max. approx. 2 . 2 fps
High- speed continuous shooting not possible.”
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Just guessing, but is that the mode which records two images for every frame, one from each side of the dual pixels? It's supposed to have some benefits, like a theoretical ability to choose two different focusing distances and increased dynamic range, but in practise makes bugga-all difference. Something like that...
 
HoppyUK said:
Just guessing, but is that the mode which records two images for every frame, one from each side of the dual pixels? It's supposed to have some benefits, like a theoretical ability to choose two different focusing distances and increased dynamic range, but in practise makes bugga-all difference. Something like that...
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Ahh makes sense as the file sizes are larger than usual for this mode :)
 
simonbarker said:
Isn't it generally agreed that it's preferable to have both rather than one or the other?
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Yes, that's what I said.

Canon could still do that with the introduction of a new IBIS camera, some other brands would need a whole new lens range
 
HoppyUK said:
Just guessing, but is that the mode which records two images for every frame, one from each side of the dual pixels? It's supposed to have some benefits, like a theoretical ability to choose two different focusing distances and increased dynamic range, but in practise makes bugga-all difference. Something like that...
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Oh that, it wasn't about dynamic range I recall, it's to do with if you miss focus and you can refocus in post.

The difference is sooooooo small it's not worth bothering with.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Your nose and Face presses or goes right next to your screen making only a small area to touch focus.i tried it on the M5 and prefer joystick
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But the screen ignores my nose and I find the touchscreen intuitive with enough area to enable it to work.
The point is there’s a number of ways to select focus without the joystick
 
Phil V said:
But the screen ignores my nose and I find the touchscreen intuitive with enough area to enable it to work.
The point is there’s a number of ways to select focus without the joystick
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Same here [G80, same thing], never once had it change focus because of my nose, in fact with my eye to the evf my nose doesn't even touch the LCD. It's off to the left side of the camera [slight head tilt] I think it's left eye dominant shooters suffer this more. I find it fast, fluid and precise. I can't imagine a joystick being any better, but some are just more used to that.
 
Of course there's other ways. I've had the a7r2 before! My point is a joystick for me offers better control of moving af points.

I wished canon re implemented the eye af thing found on there old eos camera where the evf tracks your eye ball to move focus points. I forgot what camera canon had that on?
Phil V said:
But the screen ignores my nose and I find the touchscreen intuitive with enough area to enable it to work.
The point is there’s a number of ways to select focus without the joystick
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jonneymendoza said:
Of course there's other ways. I've had the a7r2 before! My point is a joystick for me offers better control of moving af points.

I wished canon re implemented the eye af thing found on there old eos camera where the evf tracks your eye ball to move focus points. I forgot what camera canon had that on?
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There were several, but whilst it worked brilliantly for most people (including me), it didn’t for everyone.
I have an EOS 5 now with it, and whilst it’s great ‘for its time’ it is actually much slower than a modern camera.

I think if canon could do it today, and it’d be better than their alternatives, they would do it in a heartbeat.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Of course there's other ways. I've had the a7r2 before! My point is a joystick for me offers better control of moving af points.

I wished canon re implemented the eye af thing found on there old eos camera where the evf tracks your eye ball to move focus points. I forgot what camera canon had that on?
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What if yu want to quickly switch from focusing top right corner to bottom left? I can't ever imagine a joystick beating a good touch screen AF for speed.
 
For me its still quicker because most of my face covers the touch screen.i literally am pocking my right eye using my thumb lol
Cagey75 said:
What if yu want to quickly switch from focusing top right corner to bottom left? I can't ever imagine a joystick beating a good touch screen AF for speed.
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jonneymendoza said:
For me its still quicker because most of my face covers the touch screen.i literally am pocking my right eye using my thumb lol
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It's all about the options :) I've never owned a camera with the joystick, I can only go by seeing them in reviews. But it certainly looks slower than a quick change of focus on a decent touch screen. It's not long ago I would have said touch screen on cameras sucked, but the latest ones are ultra responsive, as good as any smart phone screen.
 
I find for small movements i prefer a thumbstick, as i find the touch screen on my M50’s tends to jump a bit to where my thumb lands which might not be where I’m trying to nudge it to. It’s quicker getting the AF point to where i want it with the touch screen after that though, but i find i keep this turned off most of the time.
 
Also, what i like about the joystick is that i can use it as back button focus too, select the af point with the joystick, press and hold to af and track subject and shoot.
 
well both this and the Nikon will take great pictures. yes it might not have as much dr as the sony or the same top fps but both will still be very good cameras.
I sold my 7R11 because I found it horrible to use, the output was fantastic but I really didn't like using it both ergonomically and the UI.
So if I now wanted full frame mirrorless it would have to be canon or Nikon (poss. others but who knows yet).
I nearly always have the camera set to single shot anyway so fps is irrelevant to me.

Does that make me a fanboy who buys just because of the badge? No, there are many reasons for buying cameras-not just badge or DR range/card slots. TBH the thing that makes me pause more than anything is no ibis, but its not in my 6d and I don't miss it, but it would be nice
 
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niko said:
well both this and the Nikon will take great pictures. yes it might not have as much dr as the sony or the same top fps but both will still be very good cameras.
I sold my 7R11 because I found it horrible to use, the output was fantastic but I really didn't like using it both ergonomically and the UI.
So if I now wanted full frame mirrorless it would have to be canon or Nikon (poss. others but who knows yet).
I nearly always have the camera set to single shot anyway so fps is irrelevant to me.

Does that make me a fanboy who buys just because of the badge? No, there are many reasons for buying cameras-not just badge or DR range/card slots. TBH the thing that makes me pause more than anything is no ibis, but its not in my 6d and I don't miss it, but it would be nice
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The 3rd gen have far better ergonmics and menu's then your old 2nd gen sony so i would not discount sony as an option for you
 
dave_bass5 said:
I find for small movements i prefer a thumbstick, as i find the touch screen on my M50’s tends to jump a bit to where my thumb lands which might not be where I’m trying to nudge it to. It’s quicker getting the AF point to where i want it with the touch screen after that though, but i find i keep this turned off most of the time.
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I glide my finger along the screen, and can nail the spot I want without thinking. it felt odd the first few times but it feels pretty natural now. I don't have the camera set to shoot using the touch screen, so there's no accidental hiccups

BBF on the other hand, I have tried so many times but my instinct is to half press the shutter every time, cant drop that habit
 
Looking forward to the official announcement this week and timeframes for release. I'm planning on getting a FF mirrorless this side of Christmas and had thought it would be a Sony A7R3 but would seriously consider the canon offering if the spec and reviews are decent as I'm much more familiar with the Canon setup.
 
I never really got on with the joystick on my camera for changing focus points (when you've only got 9 points to chose from it seemed just as easy to use the main dial wheel on the top). Now I have a camera with a lot more af points, I use the touch screen or still the main dial.
 
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