Canon FF mirrorless...

Why do half of them even vlog to begin with? Life is full of mysteries.
 
Cagey75 said:

@Phil V There's a possibility you are right :eek: [flick to 2:40]
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I think it’s more likely the mount moves than the sensor, otherwise we’d need no new lenses. If they just made the new camera with FF body depth, what’s the point in movingthe sensor for new lens designs? Whereas a new body designed for new lenses that’ll adapt older lenses automatically, that’s cool.
 
Phil V said:
I think it’s more likely the mount moves than the sensor, otherwise we’d need no new lenses. If they just made the new camera with FF body depth, what’s the point in movingthe sensor for new lens designs? Whereas a new body designed for new lenses that’ll adapt older lenses automatically, that’s cool.
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Yeah, I would prefer the ability to adapt old lenses, though there are adapters that are very thin that work for dslr, merely mm differences.

Couldn't help but think of what you've been saying when I watched though, I hadn't heard this elsewhere.
 
simonbarker said:
Why does that video look so soft?

They're doing something horribly wrong in their latest videos.
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They haven't a clue what they're at tbh, they know how to make money alright, but when it comes to gear ... I mean, the guy has a book out on every camera he barely touches - has it half written before the rental even arrives.
 
Looks like 1 card slot. Af on and those other two buttons may be a bit cumbersome, no joystick.
 
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andy1868 said:
Leaked images of camera and lenses


https://www.canonrumors.com/here-ar...-the-canon-eos-r-and-the-new-rf-mount-lenses/
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I think it’s a better starting line up than the Nikon.

With the known Canon tech, it’ll be ‘OK’ rather than amazing, and even with a single card slot Canon won’t get half the flak Nikon did, because it’s a camera aimed at people who’d have bought a 6dIII and Canon haven’t got consumers addicted to the need for a 2nd card slot.

In the grand scheme of things, the answer to ‘why do you need a 2ndcard slot’ is ‘because that’s what I’m used to’.

Plain and simple, before the 5dIII all canon shooting wedding photographers put up with a single slot, they might have wished for a 2nd slot, but it didn’t stop them using their cameras for pro work. Nikon owners who were already addicted thought they were mental for accepting the risk.

Dare I admit I’ve had a card failure in a paid gig?

Well after recovery I’d lost 2 images*, which is less than the number of images I typically ‘lose’ due to user error in every day out shooting.

I won’t deny there was stress involved, but even at the point I thought I may have lost 150+ images, it didn’t radically alter what I’d have been delivering.
 
twist said:
Looks like 1 card slot. Af on and those other two buttons may be a bit cumbersome, no joystick.
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No joystick required, using your thumb on the screen to move AF point is a better experience.

It’s working fine on current cameras, it’s not going to be worse on a new one ;)
 
1 - I love the Joy stick, but I prefer the 2 wheel scroll way to move the points
2 - Must have dual cards at this price point. I don't get the 6D or 5D2 argument because once upon a time we all used MF, now it's all AF, it was fine before, but I don't see people falling over themselves to go back to MF in droves for wedding work.
3 - never having a card failed or not lost images is not an argument. Why not drive without insurance?

Dual SD card slots don't take up much space, look at the X-T2 and A73. It's tiny, about the same as 1 CF slot.
 
snerkler said:
Could this camera sway me to Canon? We'll have to wait and see. I personally think it looks a bit ugly though, a bit cluttered and I don't like flip out screens. I do think the Nikon Z's look nicer, but that's not what counts ;)
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The vloggers will LOVE this flip out screen and buy this in droves.
 
toohuge said:
Looks like a nice piece of kit.

Why do canon and Nikon always have a copy feature on their cameras - the reversed lcd is ice cool - but they both have one! Surely can’t be a coincidence?
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Looks the same as the Fuji one, there must be a company who makes it? perhaps still holds the patent. I dunno!
 
Looks really good nice and that 28-70 F2 is very interesting. If they’ve gone for a Sony sensor this could be a great camera.
 
Looking at it logically a adaptor would probably cope with canon EF lenses, I can’t see it handling ef-s lenses though ? ... if it’s true ? They will be 3 steps ahead of Nikon already with that lens lineup . As it caters for all toggers . What about lenses from tamron and sigma will there be compatibility issues ?

Personally I’m waiting for the announcements from Panasonic and the dark horse Olympus , both are already streets ahead in mirrorless technology what have they got up there sleeves, it’s a fair bet that non disclosure agreements are flying around like confetti this year . Going to be a interesting 2019
 
Raymond Lin said:
The more time goes by, the more the Sony offerings looks to be just so far ahead of the competition.
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They did start their full-frame system ahead of the competition :D
The Sony A9 is still up there.
 
and the cruncher will be how heavy are the lenses , its fine going full frame and having multiple card slots BUT if you still got to carry half a cwt. of gear theres no gain
 
Raymond Lin said:
1 - I love the Joy stick, but I prefer the 2 wheel scroll way to move the points
2 - Must have dual cards at this price point. I don't get the 6D or 5D2 argument because once upon a time we all used MF, now it's all AF, it was fine before, but I don't see people falling over themselves to go back to MF in droves for wedding work.
3 - never having a card failed or not lost images is not an argument. Why not drive without insurance?

Dual SD card slots don't take up much space, look at the X-T2 and A73. It's tiny, about the same as 1 CF slot.
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No one is suggesting it’s ‘ok to go back’, in fact I said the exact opposite!

I wouldn’t forego my insurance, but if I lived somewhere it wasn’t compulsory and was used to not having it, would I feel it was ‘necessary’?
 
Phil V said:
No one is suggesting it’s ‘ok to go back’, in fact I said the exact opposite!

I wouldn’t forego my insurance, but if I lived somewhere it wasn’t compulsory and was used to not having it, would I feel it was ‘necessary’?
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All I can say is good luck to you because we will just be repeating ourselves.
 
Raymond Lin said:
All I can say is good luck to you because we will just be repeating ourselves.
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Yes raymond, you’re so entrenched in this argument you failed to read what I’d actually posted, instead picking up the side issue.

Just for clarity, I absolutely agree with you 109% that anyone who has owned a camera with 2 slots won’t be happy giving up that safety net.

However, for those people who have never had 2 slots, or felt they needed them, it’s really not important at all.

It’s very straightforward to anyone rational, but you’re so far into the first camp, you can’t see an alternative view might exist.
 
Phil V said:
Yes raymond, you’re so entrenched in this argument you failed to read what I’d actually posted, instead picking up the side issue.

Just for clarity, I absolutely agree with you 109% that anyone who has owned a camera with 2 slots won’t be happy giving up that safety net.

However, for those people who have never had 2 slots, or felt they needed them, it’s really not important at all.

It’s very straightforward to anyone rational, but you’re so far into the first camp, you can’t see an alternative view might exist.
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Do you really want to spend then next 24 pages repeating ourselves?

Do you want to go into the pros and cons? What is the con exactly? Does having the second card means you are forced to use it? No.

Does having the 2nd card means attracting more of the market to people like me? Yes

Does having the 2nd card make the camera bigger than the DSLR brother? No

Does having the 2nd card slot add that much cost seeing the X-T2 has it, the X-H1 has it, the A73 has it, and they are all £2,000.

Does having the 2nd card hamper your way of shooting? No.

There is no reason not to put in a 2nd card slot, the only excuse I hear is "I am used to not using it" and "I never had a card failed".

One day you will get a body with 2 slots, and you still be shooting with just 1, would that hurt you knowing that is there? Just like that Auto mode on the dial that you never select.

This is why I can't understand why from both a business and user perspective why it is left out.
 
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woof woof said:
I think this looks a lot like the Nikon with its offset EVF hump.
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I suppose they could put the EVF and hump anywhere logically it goes centrally ,but you could also put it to the far left to stop nose rubbing the screen . Never thought of that before weird .

P.s has anyone ever thought of a starting a silly arguments section on here it could be called the philray section :runaway::runaway::runaway::runaway:
 
the black fox said:
I suppose they could put the EVF and hump anywhere logically it goes centrally ,but you could also put it to the far left to stop nose rubbing the screen . Never thought of that before weird .

P.s has anyone ever thought of a starting a silly arguments section on here it could be called the philray section :runaway::runaway::runaway::runaway:
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I've told you once...
 
the black fox said:
I suppose they could put the EVF and hump anywhere logically it goes centrally ,but you could also put it to the far left to stop nose rubbing the screen . Never thought of that before weird .
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Needs to be on the far right for me to stop that ;)
 
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As a non pro shooter I could happily rely on one card slot. And there are plenty of non pro shooters who this wont bother at all.

As a pro shooter yep you guessed it...
 
Raymond Lin said:
Do you want to go into the pros and cons? What is the con exactly?
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Not really, because your head is so far up your second card slot that you can't see the fundamental question... :dummy:
And you ignored where I said I 100% agree with you...:tumbleweed:
But again; you can't step back and see that there are other equally valid views, but that they don't set off from your status quo.:D

Signed the 97% ;)
 
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