Canon EOS R Series Cameras

Has anyone tried the latest firmware with passwords?

Yes. On my R6ii. Other than the password change, it is unremarkable. The flash exposure simulation doesn’t seem to do anything, I need to RTFM though just in case I’m missing something.

Password behaves as expected. Displayed on power on and after the camera wakes from sleep. Easy to disable thankfully.
 
Nope, I'm waiting for a few weeks...and fed up with the promises re AF and battery life improvements not being addressed.
 
Yes, on my r7. I've disabled the password protection. I'm not sure why anyone is making a negative fuss about the password protection. If you don't like it or need it, just disable it.

It’s more because it’s been poorly implemented - its purpose, not to protect against theft but to protect network settings , yet a password appears on boot and wake - instead of just protecting those features. So in its current form it actually cripples a fundamental feature and important reason for getting a pro camera - that it is responsive and always ready to use. It’s true, you can disable it easily enough but it doesn’t negate the poor design.
 
Firmware update for R1 was pretty straight forward. You need to enter and confirm a 6 digit PIN. If you don't want it on, and I don't, go to the new setttings menu "manage password" and set "Password Request" to OFF. I'm getting old and will probably forget the PIN I chose, so I wrote it down. I hope I will remember where I wrote it down :).
 
If you set Password request to off in menu does that mean that you never get asked to enter the password again or does it ask for it when you turn camera power on ?
R5 in my case
Maybe I’m just being too fussy but really don’t want to be fiddling with passwords if I see something while I’m wandering around and quickly turn the camera on and grab a shot :)
 
In a nutshell then, from what I've seen, the only substantial difference between the old firmware and the new one is the addition of a password facility?

Pretty underwhelming considering the other problems some are having ie AF and battery life.
 
I assume this means that if we do not install the latest firmware updates, we will need to do so if they release further updates. I do not think you can skip a version.
 
I'm pretty sure there have been cases where you need to install firmware updates in stages, but the most recent one, I went 1.3.0 to 1.6.0 and it worked fine.
 
Firmware update for R1 was pretty straight forward. You need to enter and confirm a 6 digit PIN. If you don't want it on, and I don't, go to the new setttings menu "manage password" and set "Password Request" to OFF. I'm getting old and will probably forget the PIN I chose, so I wrote it down. I hope I will remember where I wrote it down :).
Exactly what I've done
 
I assume this means that if we do not install the latest firmware updates, we will need to do so if they release further updates. I do not think you can skip a version.

Agreed, however I come back to my original (and now boring!!) point.......why haven't the real issues pointed out by a significant no of people been addressed?

A bit reminiscent of the old 1D mk3 problems for those of you old enough to remember!!!
 
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Yes, I simply accepted the idea of the password being saved as in post #7398. Total non-issue
 
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Agreed, however I come back to my original (and now boring!!) point.......why haven't the real issues pointed out by a significant no of people been addressed?

A bit reminiscent of the old 1D mk3 problems for those of you old enough to remember!!!

Perhaps they want you to buy the new models when they become available!
 
Perhaps they want you to buy the new models when they become available!
Ha!!!

It'll be a while before that gets replaced, I suspect, unless it's a real dog and gets awful press!!
 
If you set Password request to off in menu does that mean that you never get asked to enter the password again or does it ask for it when you turn camera power on ?
R5 in my case
Maybe I’m just being too fussy but really don’t want to be fiddling with passwords if I see something while I’m wandering around and quickly turn the camera on and grab a shot :)
For my R1s I've set password to OFF and I don't get asked for it on power on. However I expect I will be asked for it for functions like ftp transfers that connect the camera to the internet.
 
For my R1s I've set password to OFF and I don't get asked for it on power on. However I expect I will be asked for it for functions like ftp transfers that connect the camera to the internet.
Ahh i see thanks that sounds like it will be ok and not intrusive
 
RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM
Has anyone used one of these for a reasonable period of time and can give their views on it?
For my purposes, specifically is there a significant improvement/degredation over an adapted EF 24-70mm f/2.8l ii USM.

I appreciate that the fact that you need to extend the lens to the 28mm point before it will work could be annoying, and that I'll lose a few mm on the wide end
The other lenses that I will tend to use on the R6ii are adapted EF 50mm & 85mm f/1.8s.
 
RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM
Has anyone used one of these for a reasonable period of time and can give their views on it?
For my purposes, specifically is there a significant improvement/degredation over an adapted EF 24-70mm f/2.8l ii USM.

I appreciate that the fact that you need to extend the lens to the 28mm point before it will work could be annoying, and that I'll lose a few mm on the wide end
The other lenses that I will tend to use on the R6ii are adapted EF 50mm & 85mm f/1.8s.
Why do you think an adapted EF Lens loses a few mm?

A fuller answer, I started with only adapted EF lenses, but the weight and bulk added by the adaptor means I only have telephoto EF lenses left.

I think the RF lens is lighter, but it’s not an internal zoom like the EF.

I have it attached to my camera 90% of the time, but it’s not a lightweight setup.
 
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Why do you think an adapted EF Lens loses a few mm?

A fuller answer, I started with only adapted EF lenses, but the weight and bulk added by the adaptor means I only have telephoto EF lenses left.

I think the RF lens is lighter, but it’s not an internal zoom like the EF.

I have it attached to my camera 90% of the time, but it’s not a lightweight setup.
I meant that at 28mm I'd lose 4 mm over the adapted 24-70 EF, not that adapting the EF would mean I'd lose some width.

The EF isn't an internal zoom either, so I don't think I'm going to lose much there, except for the weird 'zoom out to 28mm before you can use it' thing.
Does that mean that there is a risk that I could zoom in closer than 28mm by acident and it would stop working, or is there some kind of stop (none of the reviews I've seen have covered that).

The 28-70 is going to be significantly lighter (500g vs 800g + adapter), which is what is drawing me to it.
But how does it compare, image quality wise, with the older mk2 24-70 EF L lens (which to be fair has generally been okay).
 
I meant that at 28mm I'd lose 4 mm over the adapted 24-70 EF, not that adapting the EF would mean I'd lose some width.

The EF isn't an internal zoom either, so I don't think I'm going to lose much there, except for the weird 'zoom out to 28mm before you can use it' thing.
Does that mean that there is a risk that I could zoom in closer than 28mm by acident and it would stop working, or is there some kind of stop (none of the reviews I've seen have covered that).

The 28-70 is going to be significantly lighter (500g vs 800g + adapter), which is what is drawing me to it.
But how does it compare, image quality wise, with the older mk2 24-70 EF L lens (which to be fair has generally been okay).
I haven’t tried the new 28-70 2.8. I am very happy with the EF 24-70 2.8 Mk 2 so sticking with that.
 
RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM
Has anyone used one of these for a reasonable period of time and can give their views on it?
For my purposes, specifically is there a significant improvement/degredation over an adapted EF 24-70mm f/2.8l ii USM.

I appreciate that the fact that you need to extend the lens to the 28mm point before it will work could be annoying, and that I'll lose a few mm on the wide end
The other lenses that I will tend to use on the R6ii are adapted EF 50mm & 85mm f/1.8s.
EF 24-70mm II is not stellar; that is just a fact of life even if you have a perfect copy that probably hardly exist. The big yugge problem is insane field curvature meaning that you just can't get sharp picture at infinity from corner to corner but you can knock yourself out shooting narrow street architecture and magically it is in focus when it should require focus stacking. They are not so bad for lifestyle but again critical sharpness wide open is nowhere near as good as say 50mm ART. Passable on R6, not beyond. 35mm was particularly weak if I remember correctly. The good parts include great flare- and ghost resistance and reasonably low vignetting by today's Canon standards.

I happily got rid of mine. I have 70mm as 70mm ART macro or 70-200mm, I have 35mm tamron or 16-35mm zoom, and 50mm ART for in between. In over 2 years I never regretted selling it and not getting a replacement.

Problem with RF 28-70mm is the fact it is budget optic (think Tamron 28-78mm f/2.8 III which is most likely much better), but costs like a premium one. Then we have a wild distortion, some sharpness issues here or there . That STM motor... I really don't like them. Do you enjoy how your 50mm focuses? I'm guessing not...

No options are actually inspiring on Canon here, even if you have The money. A few primes is at least going to give you nice sharp images with plenty more DOF control and available light.
 
I am about to buy a R5 new and would like to ask what memory cards to buy
I don't shoot rapid long duration or 1000's of images at a time , Any suggestions please.
 
I meant that at 28mm I'd lose 4 mm over the adapted 24-70 EF, not that adapting the EF would mean I'd lose some width.
I hadn’t realised you’d meant the new rf non L lens

I think that IQ and build may be a significant difference, I haven’t read any reviews, though they should be available
 
I am about to buy a R5 new and would like to ask what memory cards to buy
I don't shoot rapid long duration or 1000's of images at a time , Any suggestions please.
if you plan to use it for 8k video video, then check the sustained minimum write speeds of some of the CF Express Type B cards, as they may not be fast enough.

I use a mixture of Lexar silver, Prograde Gold and Cobalt, Angelbird and Sony Tough - all without issues for photos on my R3 even at 30fps. Only the Prograde Gold one has given issues with 4k 100fps video, and the camera stops recording after a few seconds and says it's not fast enough. All the others have been fine. If buying new, I'd be tempted to look at some of the CFExpress 4.0 cards as they have much faster read and write speeds. Even though the camera can't write data fast enough to utilise these speeds, with a suitable card reader and USB4/thunderbolt port you will be able to download photos off the cars considerably quicker. This may not be an issue for you if you aren't downloading a few hundred GB of photos and videos at a time.

For SD cards, the Lexar silver Pro or 1667x ones are reasonably priced (under £30) on Amazon for both 64Gb and 128gb and do the job for photos
 
EF 24-70mm II is not stellar; that is just a fact of life even if you have a perfect copy that probably hardly exist. The big yugge problem is insane field curvature meaning that you just can't get sharp picture at infinity from corner to corner but you can knock yourself out shooting narrow street architecture and magically it is in focus when it should require focus stacking. They are not so bad for lifestyle but again critical sharpness wide open is nowhere near as good as say 50mm ART. Passable on R6, not beyond. 35mm was particularly weak if I remember correctly. The good parts include great flare- and ghost resistance and reasonably low vignetting by today's Canon standards.

I happily got rid of mine. I have 70mm as 70mm ART macro or 70-200mm, I have 35mm tamron or 16-35mm zoom, and 50mm ART for in between. In over 2 years I never regretted selling it and not getting a replacement.

Problem with RF 28-70mm is the fact it is budget optic (think Tamron 28-78mm f/2.8 III which is most likely much better), but costs like a premium one. Then we have a wild distortion, some sharpness issues here or there . That STM motor... I really don't like them. Do you enjoy how your 50mm focuses? I'm guessing not...

No options are actually inspiring on Canon here, even if you have The money. A few primes is at least going to give you nice sharp images with plenty more DOF control and available light.
Agreed the EF 24-70 2.8 Mk2 is not stellar but for the events where I use it, I don't need corner to corner sharpness so it's a good option and I see no need to change.
 
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That said, the RF 24-70 2.8L is an impressive lens. I used to have the EF mki version and the RF version is a massive leap in every way - genuinely impressive image quality throughout the range. It is fairly weighty, but not too bad. I don’t find the size of the lens to be cumbersome.
 
EF 24-70mm II is not stellar; that is just a fact of life even if you have a perfect copy that probably hardly exist. The big yugge problem is insane field curvature meaning that you just can't get sharp picture at infinity from corner to corner but you can knock yourself out shooting narrow street architecture and magically it is in focus when it should require focus stacking. They are not so bad for lifestyle but again critical sharpness wide open is nowhere near as good as say 50mm ART. Passable on R6, not beyond. 35mm was particularly weak if I remember correctly. The good parts include great flare- and ghost resistance and reasonably low vignetting by today's Canon standards.

I happily got rid of mine. I have 70mm as 70mm ART macro or 70-200mm, I have 35mm tamron or 16-35mm zoom, and 50mm ART for in between. In over 2 years I never regretted selling it and not getting a replacement.

Problem with RF 28-70mm is the fact it is budget optic (think Tamron 28-78mm f/2.8 III which is most likely much better), but costs like a premium one. Then we have a wild distortion, some sharpness issues here or there . That STM motor... I really don't like them. Do you enjoy how your 50mm focuses? I'm guessing not...

No options are actually inspiring on Canon here, even if you have The money. A few primes is at least going to give you nice sharp images with plenty more DOF control and available light.
Good point on the STM AF motor.
I can't find the tamron you mention in EF mount (and of course Canon are doing their utmost to prevent FF RF lenses being produced/sold).
To be honest, the R6ii is really a second camera/system as I prefer the handling of my Fuji X-T cameras but wanted to get some usage out of my old EF lenses. There is no denying that the FF sensor in the Canon is better in low light than the Fujis crops.
The new similar Focal Length RF L glass is all quite/very heavy (and spendy), hence pondering whether the new non L, RF 28-70 would be a step up from the old 24-70 without too much outlay, or whether I'd be better off just sticking with my old mk2 EF L 24-70 (+ my 50 & 85mm f/1.8 ef lenses).
As I primarily shoot people, I don't have your concern over the edge to edge sharpness.
 
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Thanks everfyone for your thoughts on the circa 24-70 lenses.
I'm getting the vibe that no one here actually has the non L RF one, so I can only judge by (probably biased) reviews / you tube videos.
1250 new / 1000 2nd hand is probably a bit too much of a punt where there isn't collective knowledge on the lens.
I guess I could try a test drive.
If I do, I will report back

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I did find some reviews, and as dpreview is normally reliable, I'll link this one:
it seems to indicate that it is as least as good as the ef24-70LII except in the corners at 70mm.
 
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A quick random question. My 400 2.8, sometimes rattles quite a lot - I think its probably the Image stabilizer but is this normal?

Edit: I should add when the camera is not on.
 
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Anyone else eyeing the Sigma 17-40mm f1.8 Art lens for RF-S? Looks fantastic,.

Was about to pre-order from CameraWorld... when they put the price up £75 as it hit my basket. Grrrr! :-(
 
Anyone else eyeing the Sigma 17-40mm f1.8 Art lens for RF-S? Looks fantastic,.

Was about to pre-order from CameraWorld... when they put the price up £75 as it hit my basket. Grrrr! :-(
Its only for apsc so totally no good for most. Sadly they seem are not allowed to sell real lenses for rf
 
Its only for apsc so totally no good for most. Sadly they seem are not allowed to sell real lenses for rf

For most? Do you have a breakdown of RF full-frame v cropped camera sales? :-)

(I have one of each)

Yes, shameful that Canon have locked competitors out of making full-frame RF lenses.
 
For most? Do you have a breakdown of RF full-frame v cropped camera sales? :)

(I have one of each)

Yes, shameful that Canon have locked competitors out of making full-frame RF lenses.
They probably will let third parties in at some point. I guess they don't feel its impacting camera sales adversely so will carry on until that point
 
They probably will let third parties in at some point. I guess they don't feel its impacting camera sales adversely so will carry on until that point
It is definitely holding me back from kh r5 ii
 
They probably will let third parties in at some point. I guess they don't feel its impacting camera sales adversely so will carry on until that point
I’d say from very little evidence it has impacted camera sales. But I suppose there’s a balance between a small number of lost camera sales and a large amount of potential lost lens sales.

I doubt canon were bothered much by 3rd party alternatives to kit lenses. But when Art lenses arrived they hit where the money is, the low volume high profit fast primes.
 
I’d say from very little evidence it has impacted camera sales. But I suppose there’s a balance between a small number of lost camera sales and a large amount of potential lost lens sales.

I doubt canon were bothered much by 3rd party alternatives to kit lenses. But when Art lenses arrived they hit where the money is, the low volume high profit fast primes.
maybe - on the other hand adapted EF works so well maybe not?
 
maybe - on the other hand adapted EF works so well maybe not?
It’d be interesting to see the RF lens takeup. As EF lenses work so perfectly the reason to upgrade would be outliers rather than the norm.

And yet I upgraded some (not all). And I’m hovering over the purchase of the 70-200 f4 just for the weight saving. My current 2.8L must be coming up for 30 yrs old and still works brilliantly, but I reckon I’ve had my moneys worth, bought it 2nd hand in the early 2000’s
 
I’d say from very little evidence it has impacted camera sales. But I suppose there’s a balance between a small number of lost camera sales and a large amount of potential lost lens sales.

I doubt canon were bothered much by 3rd party alternatives to kit lenses. But when Art lenses arrived they hit where the money is, the low volume high profit fast primes.
If i don't buy the camera i dont buy the lenses. Ok i have r6 but that doesn't really count.... You just dont need super fancy glass like rf 85mm f1.2 for it

Ef art lenses are great. It is their own fault so many ef l lenses sucked so badly and they did f all about it, and you could say they are still at it if compared to gm2, art glass
 
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