It's a marketing ploy - scarcity / FOMO... every release they play this game.
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Sorry but that’s …
Bull excrement
I posted about this the other day. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There’s a defined speed with which they can build cameras, and inflating their supply capacity is a cost they could not recoup.
So they balance supply as best they can with a fairly well defined demand pattern over the life of a product.
If there was a quick and cheap way for them to recoup r&d costs, they’d be all over it.
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I'm sure there was an article somewhere in the last week or so about supply problems in the photograph industry. I can't remember where as I just saw the headline and moved on. Maybe that's it. Googling might find it or something along the same lines.
Totally agree and there's also the possibility that the supply is being restricted to that particular retailer if they're a little slow in paying for stock ?? Senior management aren't likely to tell shop floor staff if there are cash flow issues...unless absolutely forcedAnd this is what 'facts' have come down to in 2024.
The entire business is based around the concept of 'return on investment'. It makes no sense whatsoever for any company to limit supply of a product that they have spent millions developing. And front line shop staff have bluntly no more information than anyone else and shouldn't be speculating to customers.
It is a known marketing strategy used to raise interest, create a demand that cannot be met ... no need for the crude way you started that message.
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No need to spread unfounded nonsense, I never had much patience for conspiracies when I was young, and now I’ve got old and the internet has given rise to a world of misinformation where it should have allowed the proliferation of knowledge I lack patience around it.
Horses for courses.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Well, all the people who work in marketing will be delighted that you either don't think that such a thing exists or that Canon are above such a thing. Canon could take a leaf out of the OM / Olympus approach to customers and major firmware upgrades. It's not unfounded nonsense just because you don't think that something doesn't apply. This forum is a supportive and helpful community so maybe dial the negative comments about anything that annoys you.No need to spread unfounded nonsense, I never had much patience for conspiracies when I was young, and now I’ve got old and the internet has given rise to a world of misinformation where it should have allowed the proliferation of knowledge I lack patience around it.
Horses for courses.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
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scarcity / fomo is a marketing thing - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11747-023-00976-w for some research and https://www.diyphotography.net/fuji...ges-are-a-marketing-ploy-to-keep-prices-high/ recent fuji example - a way to keep marketing, operations and finance happy all at the same time...
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I'm happy to be supportive and if you read my posting history you'll find everything from whole series of posts tutoring people into the hobby, right up to me giving away stuff to help newbies and sharing business advice.
That doesn't mean though that I should sit by and watch nonsense being posted and not challenge it in case I hurt someone's feelings. We're only truly supportive if we are sharing worthwhile information surely? If we start disseminating nonsense, then that isn't 'supportive', it's actually destructive.
Marketing is one thing - it's about creating a demand that can be monetised - marketing has no other purpose.
So refusing to monetise a demand on purpose (as people keep alluding to regarding CaNikon sales) isn't 'good marketing', its financial malpractice bordering on financial suicide.
And what the heck has that got to do with OM firmware upgrades
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Re the first link, I very nearly mentioned diamonds in a much longer version of a reply but decided against muddying the waters, I can't read the whole article without paying, but it's a much more complex picture than controlling supply, you also have to have made a rock solid foundation of that supply and be certain you're not just going to drive your customers to your competitors. There's an almost monopoly in the diamond market which allows this mechanism to work flawlessly. It's also self sustaining in any 'limited edition' product - again, once you're certain that the demand exists and is only for that specific product.
Regarding the second link, the 'conclusion' is a lot of supposition on behalf of the journalist, rather than Fuji openly admitting they were creating demand by undersupplying. Purposely written to obfuscate the quote from opinion. Indeed quoting a 'Rumors' site as the basis for a factual statement isn't hitting anyone's radar as responsible journalism.
The comparison with OM's approach was about the way that Canon treat their customers.I'm happy to be supportive and if you read my posting history you'll find everything from whole series of posts tutoring people into the hobby, right up to me giving away stuff to help newbies and sharing business advice.
That doesn't mean though that I should sit by and watch nonsense being posted and not challenge it in case I hurt someone's feelings. We're only truly supportive if we are sharing worthwhile information surely? If we start disseminating nonsense, then that isn't 'supportive', it's actually destructive.
Marketing is one thing - it's about creating a demand that can be monetised - marketing has no other purpose.
So refusing to monetise a demand on purpose (as people keep alluding to regarding CaNikon sales) isn't 'good marketing', its financial malpractice bordering on financial suicide.
And what the heck has that got to do with OM firmware upgrades
I am aware that you are a veteran on here and contribute very positively. It's part of the reason that I found the references to excrement and nonsense just rude. Feelings do not come it; I was not expecting that kind of approach from you. Are you really saying that using that kind of language is the only way you can emphatically disagree ?
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My R5ii arrived on Saturday (along with about the last ‘spare’ P battery in the UK I think).
It’s quite good
It’s quite good
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That was language tamed for the forum, which doesn't allow me to use the proper phrase.
I can 'disagree' in a thousand different ways, but I wasn't disagreeing with the post, I was calling it what I believe it to be.
If I was 'disagreeing', I might say that someone was mistaken, or that there's other views, or that there was evidence that contradicts, or I would contradict it line by line. But I didn't feel the post merited that, I simply believe it was nonsense that I would describe as I did.
I don't hold with the opinion that using 'bad' words is a sign of a limited vocabulary - I believe the opposite, that words are precious, and that each one of them deserves space to breathe, and sometimes colourful language is the right language.
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I received mine on Saturday, and a spare battery.My R5ii arrived on Saturday (along with about the last ‘spare’ P battery in the UK I think).
It’s quite good
I'd also received 2 batteries from another dealer the week before. Had to use up a store credit and thought it would be a better idea to have more batteries for recording.
Or it’s just rude. What you believe it to be does not make it fact.
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Nor you for that matter.
Can I suggest that you watch Stephen Fry's excellent interview about what he thinks of people who become 'offended' by something?
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The Viltrox one with the control ring (that is USB firmware upgradable) works ok but also seems to cost as much as the Canon one.
I'm happy to be supportive and if you read my posting history you'll find everything from whole series of posts tutoring people into the hobby, right up to me giving away stuff to help newbies and sharing business advice.
That doesn't mean though that I should sit by and watch nonsense being posted and not challenge it in case I hurt someone's feelings. We're only truly supportive if we are sharing worthwhile information surely? If we start disseminating nonsense, then that isn't 'supportive', it's actually destructive.
Marketing is one thing - it's about creating a demand that can be monetised - marketing has no other purpose.
So refusing to monetise a demand on purpose (as people keep alluding to regarding CaNikon sales) isn't 'good marketing', its financial malpractice bordering on financial suicide.
And what the heck has that got to do with OM firmware upgrades
No, it doesn't you are right and I managed to do post my remarks without being abrasive to make my point. I will pass on Steven Fry.
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im puzzled that you see ‘abrasive’, but I guess tone doesn’t travel well in the written word.
I’ve just got home from watching a superb Man Utd performance! Unfortunately my team were on the wrong side of the 7-0 scoreline.
But I had a great night, and I was reminded of this exchange when I was reminding my son in law that the important thing is to remember to keep a sense of proportion and a sense of humour.
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brining it back to canon
To be honest in my opinion for the price difference you may as well use a Canon one , at least you know it will always work will all your lenses
I got the Canon one at the same time as my R5 and all my old EF lenses work perfectly
true but this is one to modify to take a TC allow a RF TC to be used on EF lenses - so i want a test mule first at least
I recently bought the RF 1.4x one to use with my 100-500 but would like to replace my EF mk2 with that and try it on my EF lenses, so getting a cheap RF/EF converter and "modifying" it to fit is a good option to only carry one TC
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Thank you for your advice, which makes good sense when I have sat and thought about it.
Thank you for your advice, and again that makes sense now I have thought about it.
Given my photographic interests (classic cars, motor sport, landscape, architecture, wildlife and astrophotography) for which I had was considering the EOS R7, and in my head I've already bought, I am now considering the EOS R6Mkii. Which would best all-round choice?
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Have a look at what the differences are between the R6 and the MkII.
I loaned a mkII and didn’t find enough of a difference to justify it over another mkI.
Your needs may be different, but for me, I think the only real difference is slightly better video. And careful shopping might get you an R6 for half the price of a mkII.
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Didn’t you find the AF to be improved Phil? I thought that was one of the Mk IIs big selling points?
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I've always considered the AF on the R6 to be like witchcraft. So I wouldn't have noticed.
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the 24MP is probably slightly more detailed. So that's a bonus. Both non-stacked, newer one will do ever so slightly better in video and Electronic shutter not that mk1 is that bad.
I heard some interesting things about that 40fps with a smaller buffer on mk2, something like it will basically really slow down after about 2s, while mk1 can sustain 20fps for a good while (fully confirmed). It is only really important if you do some bursts of action like dog running shots or sports.
Basically pretty pointless exercise for me to upgrade. I will get something with higher res and stacked sensor next but it could easily start with a Z... You can't ignore THAT price difference.
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Interesting that the slightly ‘faster’ camera may actually be slower in the real world.
I do occasionally do longish tracks of dogs, not in a serious way though.
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I haven't been on the forum for quite a few years, got stuck in remote Mexico when covid started and haven't been on a plane since.
Done all the long haul for years, but am now thinking of upgrading my kit as obviously things have moved on considerably.
I sold most of my EF lenses a while ago and one of my bodies (a 1Dx mk 2 ) and now only have the other Mk2.
Question is, I need some help and advice.
Thinking of an R5 mk2 to replace the 1 Dx mk2, now should I replace the 100-400 4.5-5.6 with a 100-500.......and my 28-70 2.8 EF with the R equivalent?
Photography is largely wildlife , sorry if this has been largely covered elsewhere folks, appreciate comments.
Thanks, folks and regards to anyone who was helpful in the past!!
George.
Done all the long haul for years, but am now thinking of upgrading my kit as obviously things have moved on considerably.
I sold most of my EF lenses a while ago and one of my bodies (a 1Dx mk 2 ) and now only have the other Mk2.
Question is, I need some help and advice.
Thinking of an R5 mk2 to replace the 1 Dx mk2, now should I replace the 100-400 4.5-5.6 with a 100-500.......and my 28-70 2.8 EF with the R equivalent?
Photography is largely wildlife , sorry if this has been largely covered elsewhere folks, appreciate comments.
Thanks, folks and regards to anyone who was helpful in the past!!
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if that is II model, then not necessarily. Both are comparable I believe
While the old one absolutely needs to go as an absolute priority, I'm not necessarily excited about midrange RF zooms on 8K bodies. One of those will buy you a bag load of Sigma ART primes with some to spare. On 24MP bodies it would be less clear cut.
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I'd honestly suggest getting an R3 and keeping the 100-400. Then either get an RF 24-70 or buy the EF mkII version. Or possibly look at a 24-105.
The R5 series sensor in bloody noisy, couple that with the narrow aperture of the 100-500 and it doesn't make for great images in less than perfect weather.
It also doesn't lend itself to heavy crops - unlike the 24Mpx sensors.
I would politely disagree. Downscaled to the same size, noise will be much closer and besides, modern noise reduction software is amazing.
Would consider keeping the 100-400 if you want to save money (still a fine lens) although the 100-500 has the extra reach. Almost all the EF lenses adapt well to RF.
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Perhaps if you shoot at ridiculous iso, or use a crappy zoom, which most of them made by canon are
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Gotta disagree sorry, I’ve had my R5 for more than 3 years and used it under all sorts of conditions and really pleased with the images, certainly have never found noise to be an issue
I’ve used it at very high ISO for band photography one occasion at maximum ISO after running it through DXO got nice results
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Argh, should I not get the EF 24-70mm II 2.8, then?
I’m planning on replacing my Nikon DSLRs with either a R6ii and a R5ii or two R6iis, and I was assuming I’d get the EF 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 II 2.8. Do I have to get both of the lenses as RFs, or just the shorter one?
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