I personally don’t think of the R6 as a ‘professional’ camera. The naming of it was a move to make it the mirrorless version of the 6D, which was a consumer/enthusiasts camera. I’m very much in the enthusiasts camp so it meets my needs. I’m not sure if you’re been expecting too much. The R6 at £2400 isn’t going to be as good as a 1Dxmk3 at £6999. There isn’t a R1 at the moment. I suspect canon will release one in the future which will blow all mirrorless cameras out of the water and solve many of your problems.I got menus and all numbers pretty sharp. It almost looks as if the camera drops the resolution for the actual view and reviews. Try shooting house brick wall and playing it back at 100% and you will be amazed at the difference between EVF and LCD.
I note a lot of youtube personalities are shooting looking at LCD in smartphone-like fashion. It really makes sense despite worse grip and stability since LCD displays offer far sharper and more responsive image. Shame LCDs are so small. Phone like 6" would be much better.
It could be a lot better with existing hw by employing some processing of raw data stream to give a nice clog3 (only available in video mode - why???!) or HDR-like image to account for full DR visible by the sensor. And that would also give a realistic histogram. Instead it behaves like a contrasty 8bit over-processed JPEG, and even neutral or faithful style with contrast set to -4 doesn't tone it down anywhere near enough. Think of a basic aggressively set highlight and shadow recovery in LR, and that fits nicely into our 8-10bit monitors, and printers. So basically it is a firmware update away, but it won't happen for cheap camera (in their eyes). Most likely this is getting reserved for R1 just because.
And they could really fix the phone app. If bloody mini 2 drone can send full HD signal over 7km away then this can do same at 70cm away!
I start to think more and more that R6 CPU is unable to cope with so much data coming in and out. Z9 has it all worked out. So basically we get baited into 20fps all singing and dancing body with 1DX III sensor (what could possibly go wrong here?) and then get thrown into the proverbial boiling water. The reality is that there were big savings made here and there to make sure this can never be a true pro grade camera. If your job relies on tracking and capturing streams of fast action images, you would have already traded this in on a day 1 of Z9 or R3 release.
Pixelation is also partly fixed in Sony A1. Expect that to be reserved for next couple of gen to exclusively 5k+ products.
1. VIDEO. No choice really other than SONY A1, A7IV or Z9
2. 1DX III sensor with the corresponding benefits (but fairly low res in modern day standards*). Obviously I could get it in a much better package together with 1. but am not willing to shell out over £5k at the moment. I will likely get this used at some point after R1 release.
* It's enough 80-90% time, and can print A1 just fine, but heavier cropping or printing larger is really out of question. Same for 8K video which will only become truly important after some time.
3. 20fps - if you can make use of them due to HW and software based limitations. It depends on a case by case basis. Z9 would be an obviously better choice money no object.
4. IBIS - for non-stabilised lenses like 400/5.6L or 85/1.4. Former doesn't make as much sense on R6 - you totally want the full res of R5 when shooting one of these.
I can't comment so much on stabilised ones so far but would expect some improvement too. If there are people involved you really don't want to go under 1/200s so its really mostly for longer ones in practice. You really need to try and make mess with 24-70mm at 1/200s IBIS or no IBIS.
I was expecting AF to be more of a great leap forward in this package. Full sensor area is great. That's probably the biggest one. It is a lot smarter than 5D3 / 5Ds but in real life I have very few other complaints on them and that was essentially the dog running at crazy speed towards camera. I am going at extreme lengths to reconfigure R6 to actually make it do what it promised. Canon should have done the homework for their customer. Leaving all in enforced full auto is so digital rebel level, except menus have grown by a few orders of magnitude and they no longer even supply a manual! They are so different from 5D that it made almost zero difference between going to Nikon or Sony. I note R3 retained a lot of 1DX layout....
Now Sony reps told me their cams can do truly crazy things. Like memorise certain people, and prioritise certain people in particular order. I'm not sure how I feel about all that but it is really something else.
There are dodgy primes that just don't behave well on DSLR wide open (excluding live view), and that includes the likes of Canon's own 50mm STM (and all of STM), Tamron 45mm (and I suspect all Tamron in general), etc. Other than that there were already totally no issues.
Both Rx and 5Dx can't drive big whites as well as 1Dx / R3 due to lower voltage so that's theoretically another way how they make sure that fast action pros have no chance here.
Canon clearly intended R5 and R6 to be openly consumer oriented products at pro price levels before adding plastic lenses priced at MF levels, and thus we are really forced to low res R3 or competitor products.
Believe it or not I have not ditched DSLRs and have no such plans whatsoever. R6 was a mid-expenditure solution to get into video business, and take off some load at challenging settings like dark wedding venue where 5Ds only makes the matter worse. I will expect to upgrade away from R6 before too long.
I don't know about blowing things and water but it will definitely be like £7K give or take.There isn’t a R1 at the moment. I suspect canon will release one in the future which will blow all mirrorless cameras out of the water and solve many of your problems.
black dog and black eyes is probably the worst case scenario for eye AF to find and track an eye. I’ve noticed so far animal eye AF has been a bit hit and miss picking up eyes. With Red Squirrels its generally been very good. With Red Deer it’s been a bit hit and miss. That said the eye of the squirrel has generally been larger in the frame and at a closer subject distance too. The size of the eye is quite small on deer and I don’t want to get closer than I do. The hit and miss nature of animal eye AF is one of the reasons I’ve swapped to back button focus for engaging focus via the AF-on button. The * button to the right is then set to eye AF so I can quickly change to eye AF should I think the eye may be picked up. The next button to the right (AF area icon?) is still set to bring up the different AF area options so I can quickly change it.
sounds like you may have possibly got to the root cause of the issue. It’s possibly a technology issue with speed and AF acquisition issue with the 70-200 f4 when used on the R5/R6. I’ve not seen the issue you’ve highlighted as all my lenses are RF. As a newcomer to canon with no previous EF lenses it made more sense for me to buy straight into RF lens range.
I have to say I’ve not experienced many of the issues you’ve raised. The evf is never going to have the same dynamic range as a OVF and will to an extent have some pixelation as it won’t be as clear or crisp as an OVF. I’m probably more used to EVFs having been solely mirrorless for the last 3 years. I’ve probably forgotten what an OVF feels like.
I just thought I’d check you have set the view finder doppler correctly for your eyes. I know I have to set it to see the EVF as crisply as possible as otherwise my eyesight isn’t great.
I’m not saying your wrong as mirrorless is very much a personal opinion. Ive personally been happy with the R6 so far, but that covers only my needs/uses and everyone is different. For me there are a few benefits to an EVF over an OVF, but there are downsides too (some lag when panning fast, pixilation as resolution will be an issue until technology improves). For me the benefits currently outweigh the negatives. The chance to see the exposure, zoom in on focus in the EVF but most importantly the removal of needing to micro adjust the focus for each lens. As someone who wears glasses for seeing long distances OVF‘s were often a pain to ‘see’ the same focus as the camera captured. I don’t seem to have that issue now as with mirrorless manual focus is now pretty much spot on when I look through the EVF. I also love how the AF area can now cover pretty much the whole frame and that coupled with eye AF is potentially a game changer. I remember how small the AF spread was on the Nikon D750 that I once used. that was a great camera but sadly let down by the AF spread.
I think if you’re not happy with the R6 and still have a chance to return it I’d probably return it. If your not happy with it now you probably won’t ever be happy with it as there will always be that niggling feeling. I think it’s quite a personal thing when new technology is being introduced. I know some were pretty happy to jump in at the very start of sony‘s mirrorless introduction but for me it wasn’t until the sony A9/A7R3 came along that I thought it could be at a point I‘d be happy with the positives outweighing the negatives. It sound like for it may be a generation or two later than the R5/R6 before it’s at a stage where the current disadvantages have been resolved.
Just an observation but it's funny how Gray Importers can get them in the country and Canon are struggling.
Over the last few months, I've spent a fortune on goodies.
R6 - Battery grip - RF-EF Control ring - RF 24-105 F4L - RF 50mm 1.8 - RF 100mm 2.8L macro - RF 15-35 2.8L - RF 100-500 L Plus Extras
I think I've gone too far. These hobbies get out of control.
It all started with a 400D
HELP.
That's because the grey importers are based in the Far East and allocated their stock on that geographic area. They are then selling out of area to the UK.Just an observation but it's funny how Gray Importers can get them in the country and Canon are struggling.
Over the last few months, I've spent a fortune on goodies.
R6 - Battery grip - RF-EF Control ring - RF 24-105 F4L - RF 50mm 1.8 - RF 100mm 2.8L macro - RF 15-35 2.8L - RF 100-500 L Plus Extras
I think I've gone too far. These hobbies get out of control.
It all started with a 400D
HELP.
I totally get that and that's why I'm pretty p***ed because I need to choose between proverbial wolf and a bear. I set c3 as e shutter for all fast action, leaving all the rest to default setting. I simply found that unless I do this I can kiss running action goodbye. It's a compromise that gives a fighting chance on this body. I didn't see rolling effect with the dog at all. It will be really videos where it will be at for me. I reckon I will need to do all panning extremely slowly, but it's a world better than what 5d3 would do in that department.R5/6 aren't really a true 20fps body IMO simply because there's too much compromise. You get 20fps at a loss of ton of dynamic range and you also get rolling shutter with panning fast action.
I would personally stick to shooting with mechanical shutter on those cameras.
And thanks to lack of stacked sensor you also may experience wee bit of lag despite the blackout free shooting. You don't see the same lag shooting mechanical shutter at lower FPS but you have shutter blackout instead.
Having said all that the AF on R5 IME has been fantastic. I simply shoot mechanical shutter which is just fine for me.
It's 50%. So first 15min of shooting, then you need like 5 more of them in the bagYou also only get full FPS when you have a full battery, under 60% and it drops.
Guessing this also has to be the new 'H' battery, anything different will also slow it down (although that is just speculation on my part)
You also only get full FPS when you have a full battery, under 60% and it drops.
Guessing this also has to be the new 'H' battery, anything different will also slow it down (although that is just speculation on my part)
yeah I found this a bit surprising tbh. I don't think you get this issue with Sony/Nikon.It's 50%. So first 15min of shooting, then you need like 5 more of them in the bag
They need to blow z9 out of the water and to do that they need at least full hd 240 hz evf and global shutter at 8k+ resolution.There isn’t a R1 at the moment. I suspect canon will release one in the future which will blow all mirrorless cameras out of the water and solve many of your problems.
A1 offers 240Hz EVF at 5.6million dots resolution.They need to blow z9 out of the water and to do that they need at least full hd 240 hz evf and global shutter at 8k+ resolution.
That would be hard to ignore. Likewise price tag maybe to swallow.
R3 just doesn't go for enough for ££££
There is something again about evf that makes battery charge leak out faster than coolant out of my jaguar.yeah I found this a bit surprising tbh. I don't think you get this issue with Sony/Nikon.
They could offer a body that looks and feels like a real camera or at least camera that doesn't make hands hurt for £6k. A7iv has slightly better shape. I was really surprisedA1 offers 240Hz EVF at 5.6million dots resolution.
used to have the A1 and now have the A7IV. Can't say I notice a difference.They could offer a body that looks and feels like a real camera or at least camera that doesn't make hands hurt for £6k. A7iv has slightly better shape. I was really surprised
The difference is subtle but it's there. You have to have them both next to each other to feel.used to have the A1 and now have the A7IV. Can't say I notice a difference.
I prefer having the option of adding a separate grip as supposed having unnecessarily bloated body like R3 or Z9. I would never carry R3 or Z9 very far, A1 went out with me anywhere and everywhere.
But each to their own I guess.
The difference is subtle but it's there. You have to have them both next to each other to feel.
I was demoed the grip and it made it both uncomfortable in a different way and considerably larger that r3 or z9. That's the way add-on grips go. They never get close to integrated solution. I never bother with them.
You might be better off with one of those small rig plate extensions. Extra 1cm length might do it
Would you know which one sits the most flush and is the thickest downward for R5/R6?I use a Kirk l-bracket. that's perfect for me anyway.
Kirk ones are really well design and flush. They also won't get in the way of the flippy screen.Would you know which one sits the most flush and is the thickest downward for R5/R6?
And would it get in a way of the flippy screen?
I’ve got a 3 legged thing L bracket on the R6. It’s fits nicely and is well made. As the screen on the R6 (and R5) is a side pivot turn the screen when it’s fully out to the side isn’t possible. You have bring it out 90 degrees then pivot the screen up or down 45 degrees before moving it into the gap on the side bracket. That’s not really an issue as I will have it at an angle to view when it’s out to the side. I prefer the side pivot to a top pivot like the Sony A9 as you can pull the screen out when in portrait. You can’t do that with a top pivot.Kirk ones are really well design and flush. They also won't get in the way of the flippy screen.
But there's a lot of people who also seem happy with small rig l-brackets which is a lot cheaper too.
I never got on with them but you might like them because they used to be generally heavier and thicker in comparison.
I personally prefer sleek and smaller designs with lower weight.
Just to note this is the 5th R5 I have come across (i.e. without intentionally looking) which has had its pcb replaced.Further to my problem R5. Took it to Lehmann's of Stoke On Trent last Tuesday. I have had an email today with the final invoice attached. New pcb and general clean £526.60. I emailed Tina at Panamoz Wednesday with the estimate for the repair, by return the cash was in my bank account, now today Friday I have had an email from Lehmann's to say that the camera is ready for collection.
Cannot fault either Panamoz or Lehmann's.
I can only agree with what you are saying.Maybe if I had known about this problem before I may have thought twice about buying one. Just hope this new pcb last's more than 3 months. good job I have a 3 years warranty and Panamoz honouring the guarantee.Just to note this is the 5th R5 I have come across (i.e. without intentionally looking) which has had its pcb replaced.
While it's only anecdotal, doesn't instill me with a whole lot confidence for buying the R5.
Another reason I will shift the R6 before warranty is up. Is it 2 years now by default with UK retailers? Canon have no trust in their product whatsoever and would like you believe its only 1 year.Just to note this is the 5th R5 I have come across (i.e. without intentionally looking) which has had its pcb replaced.
While it's only anecdotal, doesn't instill me with a whole lot confidence for buying the R5.
Depends on the retailer I think. I buy from LCE who still only offer 12 months warranty but Sony seem to offer 2 years on most cameras/lenses if you register it on their website.Another reason I will shift the R6 before warranty is up. Is it 2 years now by default with UK retailers? Canon have no trust in their product whatsoever and would like you believe its only 1 year.
That means it has to be out by next summer. I should have bought that A7IV if no other reasonDepends on the retailer I think. I buy from LCE who still only offer 12 months warranty but Sony seem to offer 2 years on most cameras/lenses if you register it on their website.
if you care about warranty, sony warranty is also transferable AFAIK. find a low use A7IV and get a warranty transfer.That means it has to be out by next summer. I should have bought that A7IV if no other reason
Ironically 5Ds will just about be still in warranty at that time.
still waiting for a high res Sony APS-C body. Considering the new FX30 has a 26mp sensor may be they have finally run out 24mp sensors in their basement.Sony seem to be pushing out quite few new cameras recently and if I did not have a lot of canon Lens, speedlites & accessories or if I was starting out fresh I would buy Sony mirrorless because of the range of cameras and lenses both brand and 3rd parties.
Canon seem to be very limited on both cameras and lenses in the R mount system and they are a very big plyer in this market. !
Not too impressed I am still waiting for my R7 which I ordered back in June 2022 !
I did fancy a couple of new Sigma DN zooms. Namely 24-70 and 14-24. According to charts they are about same as Sony GM (and prob better than RF 24-70) so why pay 2x. My EF 24-70 could do with an upgrade if I'm totally honest. You can't get any of that if you stay with Canon....if I was starting out fresh I would buy Sony mirrorless because of the range of cameras and lenses both brand and 3rd parties.
A7IV was the wrong body which is why I got relatively easily distracted with R6. RIV is now getting old, with crappy video spec for the price (namely 8bit 4:2:0 bit kills the deal for me). So I can afford to wait for 7RV and am pretty certain it will be a good upgrade from 5Ds and R5, let alone R6.find a low use A7IV and get a warranty transfer.
Sorry why would you want APSC when you can have 60MP sensor in A7RIV and it will only get more. I get for video you may have a lot of investment in S35 glass, but still FF seems more desirable.still waiting for a high res Sony APS-C body. Considering the new FX30 has a 26mp sensor may be they have finally run out 24mp sensors in their basement.
you and a lot of other people waiting for R7. I get the draw of the R7 body itself but it has like 1.5 APS-C lenses!
I am thinking fuji X-H2 is a better choice if you want APS-C.
Panamoz are a spot on company I cannot fault themFurther to my problem R5. Took it to Lehmann's of Stoke On Trent last Tuesday. I have had an email today with the final invoice attached. New pcb and general clean £526.60. I emailed Tina at Panamoz Wednesday with the estimate for the repair, by return the cash was in my bank account, now today Friday I have had an email from Lehmann's to say that the camera is ready for collection.
Cannot fault either Panamoz or Lehmann's.
Full marks to both of them.
I did fancy a couple of new Sigma DN zooms. Namely 24-70 and 14-24. According to charts they are about same as Sony GM (and prob better than RF 24-70) so why pay 2x. My EF 24-70 could do with an upgrade if I'm totally honest. You can't get any of that if you stay with Canon....
But you can get a lovely 28-70 f/2. 50/1.2 and 85/1.2... and they are supposed to be ridiculous. Only trouble that's just another £10k or so out of my pocket. Maybe I'd get a fancier car for that instead!
So lens ecosystem is a hands down win for Sony.
I do now have Sigma MC-11 so mine are all ready to go and shoot at any time I need. I am just slightly concerned about AF. If anything for video it is still down to Sigma 35 ART which would have the best chance of working as native to adapter.
A7IV was the wrong body which is why I got relatively easily distracted with R6. RIV is now getting old, with crappy video spec for the price (namely 8bit 4:2:0 bit kills the deal for me). So I can afford to wait for 7RV and am pretty certain it will be a good upgrade from 5Ds and R5, let alone R6.
Sorry why would you want APSC when you can have 60MP sensor in A7RIV and it will only get more. I get for video you may have a lot of investment in S35 glass, but still FF seems more desirable.
You would shoot a lot of frames and would do a lot of exposure blending. There is simply no dealing with file noise from that thing. Believe me it gets a little annoying when you care about little details and you should with that level of high Res gear.The only Canon I would buy for said trip would be 5DSR, no AA filter so very sharp images




Nice capture. Is the sigma behaving itself? No pulsing issues?
Nuthatch ... R7 and Sigma 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Sports @548mm • 1/500 • f/6.3 • ISO 5000
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Canon did have a EF lens compatibility list somewhere which I cannot find. It detailed what to expect from older EF lenses and which ones supported the "full-fat" AF features (and there weren't that many telephotos on there IIRC).