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This might be a bit too big but is a nice versatile CSC bag
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HDew are doing the M6 body in Black or Silver at £475 which is the cheapest I have seen.
Whilst a 'grey' seller they provide a very good back up.
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I bought my M6 with 15-45 kit lens from eglobalcentral for £489 and promptly sold the lens for £89, so the body owes me £400. Also bought an EVF-DC1 from them for £130 and white box EF-M 55-200mm for £134. All arrived ok, no problems.
Can't vouch for their after sales service as I haven't had to make use of it and hopefully won't have to either.
Can't vouch for their after sales service as I haven't had to make use of it and hopefully won't have to either.
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The EVF-1 fits the M3 (and the M6) but Canon have also released the EVF-2 which has been 'styled' with s more retro look. It comes in a silver finish too....... No I am not tempted because the M6 is really just to look at! The M5 does it all.... as you well know [emoji2]
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As there are no major differences between the M5 and M6 apart from the viewfinder personally I liked the idea that the viewfinder is optional to use with the M6 and went for the EVF-DC1 rather than the new 2 as you can tilt it 90 degrees which is another useful feature.
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John Lewis and Amazon are price matching at £159.
JL also add in their 2 year warranty.
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Ha e to say, I wasn’t in Currys earlier and had a go of the M6.. it’s a nice device! Liking the similarities to my G3X as well!
Been reading a couple of reviews and looks like now the M6 and upwards will be good at AF on traditional EF lens? This could be a key plus for me over the other models.. anyone have any real life experience with the Tamron 17-50 2.8?
Been reading a couple of reviews and looks like now the M6 and upwards will be good at AF on traditional EF lens? This could be a key plus for me over the other models.. anyone have any real life experience with the Tamron 17-50 2.8?
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Not tried my M6 with the Tamron but I have used it with the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 and 15-85 f/3.5 and whilst a bit unwieldy, AF was quick. Same with my EF 70-200 f/f4 IS.
I doubt if the M6 will get many outings with the bigger lenses ahead of my M5 which is more balanced. It tends to live with the 22mm f/2 pancake fitted as it goes easily into my jacket pocket.
It is a nice piece of kit though it stayed at home when I took the M5 on my recent USA trip.
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Curious Steve, do you think that would still be the case if you had the EVF on the M6?
I presume when you have a larger lens on the M5 you use it more like an SLR, holding it up to the eye and using the EVF, which does give a completely different balance. Whereas when using the M6 you use the LCD so are holding it in a different way, which changes the balance.
Sorry not meaning to put you on the spot, just interested in your thoughts as I think you are the only one on here that has both.
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Way back in the thread I mentioned that I was going for the M5 having got my hands on one to try just before it's release. The M5 was always going to be make or break for me as the handling of the original M was not great for me (big hands) but balanced with a Arca L plate with grip. I just loved it's handling and quiryness.
My hope was that the M3 would be better. In the event, for me, it was not a leap forward, even with it's better 'handling' and it being compatible with the EVF-1. I borrowed one with the EVF but did not take to it.
The dearth of M Prime lenses annoyed me and I found myself trying the Fuji kit.
The M5 was the cement that kept me on the M trail. I had a stroke in December 2016 and a lightweight CSC kit suddenly became a must as my left arm and leg has been weakened.
My trust in Canon, even with menu changes, won through and I grew the M kit lens wise,
I got to try an M6 while I was in Ireland an loved it straight off. At the time of ordering I did mention that I was unlikely to use it but more likely to just display it and worship it!
Yes the M5 handles as a mini DSLR and it handles well. In other words, post stroke, it does cover 90% of my needs. It is balanced even with s Significant 150-600 C, but frankly I will not go heavier than a 70-200L f4 with a 1.4x on odd occasions.
So in terms of the M6, it is a very nice piece of kit and in silver finish with the silver M22 f/2 pancake lens, almost a fashion accessory! In reality, I have the M6/22 combination with me 95% of the time, I am content not to have an EVF and and it's weight does not tire me. I am lucky to have both models and I accept many cannot have that choice.
On my experience to date and, if I had to make a choice of just 1, it would be the M5 as it is comfortable with any lens fitted. The M6 would be fine if UWA to short telephoto is a best fit.
Sorry to prattle on but the M5/M6 dichotomy may only be resolved if a future M7 was 'modular' like the Pentax LX 35mm film camera was, a design that has a changeable pentaprism, backs, power winders and focus screens.
To put an M5 context on this, there has been people asking for a battery grip...... My answer? Buy an 80D, the M5 is fine and, for me, the M6 is beautiful, even as an ornament.
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Thanks very much for your thoughts, very thought provoking and comprehensive.
I'm really torn on which direction to go for, having a quick play with an M5 and Sigma 150-600mm a while ago, really put a spanner in the works, it just felt so natural and well balanced.
I very rarely use long or big lenses though and the rangefinder type suits my everyday shooting much better.
I'm still using an original M and that wont be going anywhere, with the 22mm on it, it's the most enjoyable camera I have used since an Olympus Trip back in the Last century
Think I'm leaning more toward the M6 or maybe even the new M100, very nearly walked out of John Lewis with an M10 the other day, but thought better to wait and see what it's replacement offered, so wont be making any move until the full specs and reviews for that start to appear.
We really have far too many options now for bodies, no I'm not complaining
In the meantime I'm happy to carry on with the original M and 22mm, though it is getting more difficult to change lenses, I'm sure its growing roots.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
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I was one of those asking for a battery grip for the simple reason that when (on the odd occasion) I wanted to use a big lens it would be easier to handle.
Taking the battery grip off would make the body nice and compact again, you can't do that with a 80D. (flippy screen on the 80D is better though)
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I know what you mean about the M/22 combination and I would warn you off the M6/22 combination, it really sets a standard and impossible not to walk off with it!Thanks very much for your thoughts, very thought provoking and comprehensive.
I'm really torn on which direction to go for, having a quick play with an M5 and Sigma 150-600mm a while ago, really put a spanner in the works, it just felt so natural and well balanced.
I very rarely use long or big lenses though and the rangefinder type suits my everyday shooting much better.
I'm still using an original M and that wont be going anywhere, with the 22mm on it, it's the most enjoyable camera I have used since an Olympus Trip back in the Last century
Think I'm leaning more toward the M6 or maybe even the new M100, very nearly walked out of John Lewis with an M10 the other day, but thought better to wait and see what it's replacement offered, so wont be making any move until the full specs and reviews for that start to appear.
We really have far too many options now for bodies, no I'm not complaining
In the meantime I'm happy to carry on with the original M and 22mm, though it is getting more difficult to change lenses, I'm sure its growing roots.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
The lack of M Prime lenses grates with me but there is a useful alterative in the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 ART DC. This is nice on both the M5/M6 bodies even with the adapter.
I was surprised at the balance of the M5/Sigma 150-600 combination but the weakness in the set is me!
Cannot get my head around the M100. An M10 plus a jacket with a massive price hike aimed at a younger audience?
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Yeah I think I might have to bow to the inevitable and go for the M6 in the end and hope the next one isn't too much of an advance and want to upgrade again
As for the lack of more primes I have mixed feelings. Sometimes get frustrated at the lack of them, but then I think what do I actually need?
Fortunately for me, the 35mm(or equiv) has always been my favourite focal length, so that's already catered for with the 22mm.
I have an old Pentax mount Cosina 50mm f2 left from the film days which gets quite regular use, so if Canon brought out a EF-M lens in that sort of range, I probably wouldn't bother getting it.
At the wider end, Samyang have that covered already, though I suppose manual focus is not for everybody.
I am a little surprised they haven't come out with a revised version of the 40mm pancake with an M mount, but maybe it's not as easy as we might think.
Though I really liked the M5 and Sigma 150-600mm combo, I really cant justify it for the amount it would get used. If I did want to use larger lenses on a regular basis, there would be no contest, the M5 would be a clear winner.
LOL about the M100, the marketing is a bit targetted at those younger than us and the launch price does seem a bit high, but thats nothing new. I get the impression it is an updated M10 with much of the tech bits borrowed from the M5/6, but what they have ditched to keep the price lower remains to be seen. There might be a good camera under the fancy jacket
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I have now joined the M series family with an M3 and EF adapter; still need to get the hang of it but overall happy - the AF speed seems good to me! cracking little thing! Some of my shots from yesterday with it!
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Welcome aboard, some good results from a first trip out with it. I'm guessing you were using a EF/EFS lens with it ?
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I have this - can fit the canon m5 with kit lens, 22mm lens, 55-200mm lens, ef-m adapator, canon 430 ex11 flash, and accessories:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/camera...lr17-dslr-camera-case-black-10155020-pdt.html
They do a smaller mirrorless version:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/camera...irrorless-camera-case-black-10155019-pdt.html
I expect if you just want to hold the camera and 22mm lens then this might actually be big enough:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/camera...17-bridge-camera-case-black-10155018-pdt.html
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Yes I was using a 200mm lens and a 100-400!
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Looking good On the shot front!
Resist trying the M5 with the 100-400; it is 'sweet' (as in the Clarksonesque). I stuck the cheap as chips EF-S 55-250 STM on the M5 this morning and the AF was very quivk and the IQ excellent too.
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Have had loads of fun with manual menses on my M kit. I have a full range of Pentax M42 and K mount lenses from back in the early 80s (I still use my MX, ME Super and LX bodies but the last of my screw mount Spotmatics died years ago. I had tried a couple of M mount adapters but settled on the Fotha range which have proved very reliable,Yeah I think I might have to bow to the inevitable and go for the M6 in the end and hope the next one isn't too much of an advance and want to upgrade again
As for the lack of more primes I have mixed feelings. Sometimes get frustrated at the lack of them, but then I think what do I actually need?
Fortunately for me, the 35mm(or equiv) has always been my favourite focal length, so that's already catered for with the 22mm.
I have an old Pentax mount Cosina 50mm f2 left from the film days which gets quite regular use, so if Canon brought out a EF-M lens in that sort of range, I probably wouldn't bother getting it.
At the wider end, Samyang have that covered already, though I suppose manual focus is not for everybody.
I am a little surprised they haven't come out with a revised version of the 40mm pancake with an M mount, but maybe it's not as easy as we might think.
Though I really liked the M5 and Sigma 150-600mm combo, I really cant justify it for the amount it would get used. If I did want to use larger lenses on a regular basis, there would be no contest, the M5 would be a clear winner.
LOL about the M100, the marketing is a bit targetted at those younger than us and the launch price does seem a bit high, but thats nothing new. I get the impression it is an updated M10 with much of the tech bits borrowed from the M5/6, but what they have ditched to keep the price lower remains to be seen. There might be a good camera under the fancy jacket
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Sadly all my old Pentax gear went after a divorce, but managed to keep a Cosina CS1 and a few third party K mount lenses.
I use a slightly different approach with adapters, the lenses are fitted with cheap Ebay PK to EF adapters and then mount them on the Canon EF-M adapter, that way I can use them on my DSLR's aswell. Not that the DSLR's get much use these days. but I do like the old 300D for infrared as the blocking filter is not very efficient.
There is something very satisfying about manual lenses, not quite sure what it is, but certainly a different experience.
P.S. Hope you are not in Ireland in your camper at the moment with this storm. If so stay safe.
Wind is building here in Devon and the light has a very strange orange/brown shade to it, very strange.
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Yes I was thinking of saving for a 55-250 STM but after trying the 200mm 2.8 I was pleasantly surprised with the speed of the AF - allowed me to track the bluetiti and whatnot quite easily, so though I might save myself a 100 or so!
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You got a bargain with the M3! I did try one but was in my phaseof hanging on for the next one (which was actually the M10) but the wain for the M5 was worth it.
If you have not tried the 15-45 it is quite a lightweight lens and you need to 'unlock' it. Not a bad lens but as you move towards the long (45mm);end the max aperture moves to f/6.3 so it can be quite dark.
If you get a chance to try the 55-250 STM give it a go. IQ is not up to your ZZ 200 but it suprisesbme. I mainly use the M 55-200 but sometimes the extra reach is useful.
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Not in Ireland, have been back a while and brought the motorhome back too. Certainly been lovely over there today, especially around the Fastener Rock and Cape Clear Islands in the deep South East. That can be lively even when the gales are not blowing.
My next trip is down to the Adriatic but I have done little more than dug out a couple of maps.
Divorce can be dire when it comes to hobbies. In overall effect I would have split my kit to tidy the mess of my first marriage. I am still doiñg film and did more than I thought I would on my trip.m (35mm & 120!). The ME and MG range are fairly cheap but VG & Excellent MX and LX bodies are reaching premium pricing. When I enter to DSLR it was for the EOS300D which I still have.
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Good to hear you and the camper were not in the line of fire.
I often wonder about getting another ME, but not sure I would use it now, far too addicted to digital these days.
There is still something about the old 300D that means it will be around until it finally packs up. The image quality is not a patch on more modern sensors, but it does produce pleasing images. Most of all for me anyway, it fits my hand like a glove, it just feels so good to use, it still makes me smile when I pick it up, which I have to admit sounds pretty weird
I often wonder about getting another ME, but not sure I would use it now, far too addicted to digital these days.
There is still something about the old 300D that means it will be around until it finally packs up. The image quality is not a patch on more modern sensors, but it does produce pleasing images. Most of all for me anyway, it fits my hand like a glove, it just feels so good to use, it still makes me smile when I pick it up, which I have to admit sounds pretty weird
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Think back to 2007Good to hear you and the camper were not in the line of fire.
I often wonder about getting another ME, but not sure I would use it now, far too addicted to digital these days.
There is still something about the old 300D that means it will be around until it finally packs up. The image quality is not a patch on more modern sensors, but it does produce pleasing images. Most of all for me anyway, it fits my hand like a glove, it just feels so good to use, it still makes me smile when I pick it up, which I have to admit sounds pretty weird
I got my 300D with the Mk 1 non-IS kit lens and 2 X 512Mb CF cards plus a cheap bad - £747!
A year on I got the Battery Grip from Warehouse Express on one of their specials. Loved it.
I like the discipline of film, 24/36 frames and £££ to process and print commercially means you think about every shot before releasing the shutter. I tried to shoot more with film in Ireland but then the M5 was in my hands......
ME Super bodies are cheap but the lenses are creeping up in price.
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LOL, the memories, things have certainly moved on, especially with digital.
Think I will leave film to others, not really got a wish to go back, at least at the moment, who knows in the future though?
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I suspect the lenses creeping up in price is to do with Fuji/Sony/Olympus users now having access to adapters to fit old lenses to their new shiny mirrorless cameras.
Cant believe the prices that Helios M44's are changing hands for these days. Even thee charity shops are starting to realise that those old Zenith E's with kit lenses have more value than just a few years ago.
Unfortunately us Canon users no longer have the old lens market too ourselves
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Literally millions of Helios 44s out there, had mine way back with my Zenith B but, as you say, they seem to be creeping up in price after 'professional' tidying/servicing. Great fun all the same but day to day use, not really!I suspect the lenses creeping up in price is to do with Fuji/Sony/Olympus users now having access to adapters to fit old lenses to their new shiny mirrorless cameras.
Cant believe the prices that Helios M44's are changing hands for these days. Even thee charity shops are starting to realise that those old Zenith E's with kit lenses have more value than just a few years ago.
Unfortunately us Canon users no longer have the old lens market too ourselves
Onwards and out the door..... busy day with the camera today.
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Cheers! Do you think it worth investing in dedicated "M" lens? As I was thinking of the normal 55-250 STM so its backward compatible, if that makes sense?
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Really depends what you are looking for.
If you want something compact to go with the small form of the M3, then the ef-m 55-200mm would be the better bet.
If on the other hand you want it for bird photography (as your post above) more length and a faster max aperture are going to be a benefit, so the ef-s 55-250 would be the more suitably, though going even longer would bring more benefits.
Unfortunately, more length also comes with a higher price tag too, so it's always going to be about compromises.
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Both are very good lenses and as Steve B notes, the 55-250's extra reach is useful.
By luck I have both lenses, even though I have been off-loading many of my EF/EF-S lenses.
In terms of price, E-Global are doing the EF-S 55-250 STM for £119 and the EF-M 55-200 for £132, delivered from France so no duty.
In essence you could get both for around the same price as buying the 55-200 at the UK retail price of £245 (WEX/Amazon/Park) is worth considering as a decision factor.
The size/weight benefit of the smaller M lens is crucial for me but the quality of results with the 55-250 is reason alone to buy/keep it for me. Daft as it seems, I am tempted to buy a second 55-250!
I wish I had taken the longer lens on my recent trip to New England but one of the group had his EF 100-400 so I did have options for the M5 and, apart from that, I stuck with the M kit.
Buying both lenses is an option if the 'greyish market is acceptable.
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