Canon EOS M Series Cameras

TimmyG said:
Does sound interesting, they are churning out some decent little lenses for the M, so I'll be definitely be paying attention when the reviews start coming in.


To me it sounds like a great range, especially for travel and city breaks. I think I would prefer it to the 18-55. i have read that it suffers from soft corners at the wide range, but that doesn't worry me much.
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I do like the idea of the 24 equivalent on the 15-45, although a nice prime wide would be a welcome addition I think. 18-150 on a fast performing m body would make a nice partner to my 7d2 and 150-600,
 
We'll have to wait and see if any fast performing M is released and if it can match the likes of the Sony A6300 which you can buy today.
 
woof woof said:
We'll have to wait and see if any fast performing M is released and if it can match the likes of the Sony A6300 which you can buy today.
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The m3 is already pretty decent and if the just stick the sensor out of the 80d in an m body the af will be comparable to all it's competitors.

If they do release that pictured version then I hope to hell that is the 'pro' body and they release something more like the existing m's as well for me the only thing canon have got really right with the m range is the form factor I've as small as possible!
 
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a1ex2001 said:
The m3 is already pretty decent and if the just stick the sensor out of the 80d in an m body the af will be comparable to all it's competitors.

If they do release that pictured version then I hope to hell that is the 'pro' body and they release something more like the existing m's as well for me the only thing canon have got really right with the m range is the form factor I've as small as possible!
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It is a decent camera, but still not fast enough for my liking, panasonic and sony are much quicker at single point af and focus to shot times. If the price drops a lot like everywhere did with the original M, I may well pick one up
 
Images and specs of the m5 leaked on canonwatch

  • Sensor: 24.2 million pixel APS-C CMOS
  • Dual Pixel AF
  • Touch AF (you can select AF point on the touchscreen while looking through the viewfinder)
  • DIGIC 7
  • 7fps
  • ISO 100-25600
  • Video: FullHD 60fps
  • Dynamic NFC, Bluetooth built-in
  • Media: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
  • Large tilting LCD monitor
  • Fast Start-Up
  • 5-axis electronic image stabilization (IBIS?)
  • Size: 115.6 x 89.2 x 60.6 mm
  • Weight: 427g
 
Decent specs! Looks like canon are getting a bit more serious about mirrorless. It's a shame it looks a bit fugly, but it seems like it should be capable enough.

Apparently it can get to 9fps through live view.

The IBIS won't be IBIS. I suspect it just means software stabilisation for video only (I.e. It will crop the frame slightly and move the crop around) as I suspect the sensor will be fixed. Not sure how they do that for 5 axis though...

The DPAF is the big improvement I would say and with Digic 7 it should hold up against the Sony's. It won't be as quick, but good enough and no worries about AF points.

It seems you might even be able to use this camera for wildlife 0_o!

Bit disappointed they didn't go for a fully articulated screen this time round (but I guess they have to hold back on some things). Anyone spot a remote trigger port?

Price point is all we need to know now (and any launch offers). I don't think there is enough to make me splash out immediately, I can wait for the prices to calm down a bit..

Edit: OK just seen the icons on the side cover. Looks like it does have a remote trigger port :)
 
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Looks better than I feared after the sketch images and the specs are strong but I'm still hoping for a more traditional m body release as well they've gone to big for me and they desperately need to throw some more lenses into the mix and not just f6.3 kit lenses!

Let's wait and see it is at least good to see canon looking more serious and I really don't think the lack of 4K is a big deal in this generation.

Please canon make an m50 with the same internals no evf and the smallest body you can cram it into!
 
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If it is that price I suppose it's no real surprise as there are several higher end CSC models around the £1k mark. It'll have to be competitive though both in image quality and performance if it's going to sell to the wider public and not just people who insist on buying Canon.
 
Eos M bodies go for between £90-£110 on average which is stupid money considering it's basically the same sensor as a 650d.
It's amazing how reviews and people's needs to have the fastest autofocus that is able to compete with top end models has made this the best bang per buck pocketable camera with great image quality. But Shhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Don't let anyone on here know you have one or they will just laugh at you.
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Love my 'M' it's a cracking stills and video camera :)
 
Photopaque said:
Eos M bodies go for between £90-£110 on average which is stupid money considering it's basically the same sensor as a 650d.
It's amazing how reviews and people's needs to have the fastest autofocus that is able to compete with top end models has made this the best bang per buck pocketable camera with great image quality. But Shhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Don't let anyone on here know you have one or they will just laugh at you.
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I'm with you. I have an original M and got it with the 18-55, 22mm, original EF adaptor and flash for less than £200. The autofocus really isn't an issue for me and is perfectly usable since the hardware updates. If I want super fast AF I would want to use my DSLR with its optical viewfinder.
Definitely the best bang for buck, images (as you rightly say, it's a 650D sensor which knocks spots off many CSCs and MFTs) are tack sharp.
 
Gazamonk said:
Definitely the best bang for buck, images (as you rightly say, it's a 650D sensor which knocks spots off many CSCs and MFTs) are tack sharp.
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Knocks spots off? Really? The review sites say my GX7 has better dynamic range and colour depth, a bigger vf and 10% better image quality... whatever that means.

Anyway, if you prefer the M or the 650D over other cameras I can understand that but I'd hardly say that the M or the 650D knocks sports off many CSC's. Not for image quality anyway. Maybe a point or two of DR or colour depth doesn't matter and maybe in real world use they're all about the same but I don't think a Canon APS-C or CSC necessarily and demonstrably knock spots off the competition.
 
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woof woof said:
Knocks spots off? Really? The review sites say my GX7 has better dynamic range and colour depth, a bigger vf and 10% better image quality... whatever that means.

Anyway, if you prefer the M or the 650D over other cameras I can understand that but I'd hardly say that the M or the 650D knocks sports off many CSC's. Not for image quality anyway. Maybe a point or two of DR or colour depth doesn't matter and maybe in real world use they're all about the same but I don't think a Canon APS-C or CSC necessarily and demonstrably knock spots off the competition.
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Didn't say all CSCs and didn't specifically mention the GX7. Thinking more along the lines of cameras of the same age as the original M. To compare against current CSCs would be foolish but if you think an APS sensor in a body that size has no merit or that the 650D sensor is not up to the job ..... ? The 650D sensor and variants has been used by Canon in a host of its bodies including higher end ones. Well your entitled to your opinion and I don't know where you got that I preferred the M or 650D over other cameras. My point was that for the used price it is unmatched.
I shoot mainly with a 5D mkiii but have a 700D for backup/travelling light and the M for a general pocket carry. Happy with the shots I get from all three but appreciate that the characteristics of the three are very different but I'm also not a pixel peeper either.
 
Well that's disappointing a meh kit lens that is huge and slow and a body that is equally bloated all at prices that put me right off 1k is way to much if it going to be the only m body on the market where is the m10 upgrade? Whack this sensor and a hotshoe on the existing m10 body and I'd pay for it!
 
michael23 said:
More on the kits to be launched next week. The 18-150 sounds interesting, Could be a great walk around lens if its good enough,

What are peoples thoughts on the 15-45 over the 18-55 and just in general?
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Just seen the pics of the M5. I will reserve judgement until I actually pick one up. It's sensor spec is close to the 750D/760D so along with the STM lens series, including a bundled EF-EF-M adapter plus Full HD 60fps capability there is near silent video capability - it starts to suggest that Canon are building a presence in mirrorless for the future. The 18-150 could be a winner but with the (seemingly) larger profile, the need for it lies where if, like me, you have the 18-55 and 55-200? Again until you try one..... Since getting the 15-45 as part of the M10 kit, that has become the main walkabout lens but number 1 lens is still the 22mm pancake. I am ruminating on the 28mm macro as I am finding myself swinging back to primes and really enjoying being made to think about the shots I am after.

Overall I am impressed but will reserve judgement till I handle the M5. I am glad that Canon are looking forward with marketing the M series and supporting it. Minght be worth snapping up and original M body as a potentisl antique to add to your collection!

On my current project the M cameras are out with me 80% of the time with the EF-S 11-18 getting more M time than DSLR time for my land/seascapes.

Price...... I feel a bit of an 'ouch' factor there but balance that by the release price of the 5D Mk IV.... the proof of the M5 pudding will be in how it actually benefits the user. I have looked at the Fuji range and been tempted but felt the M series would evolve.... now the bar may have been raised. Will the M5 be first in my pocket in 2017.......?

Steve
 
TimmyG said:
I'll swap ya for a full bag of carrots if you like ;p
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Mines the chrome body making it look the dogs b@ll@cks, paid 480 odd quid, just can't part with it.
 
It doesn't do 4K its too expensive it's to big it's not a Sony etc etc etc close the thread it's all over before it's even started! Hehe.
Just lock the thread and archive it.
I don't think the M can take it anymore .
 
Well it's only £100 extra with the 15-45 so I might pick up a cheap one on the bay.

Just looking at some of the videos, it looks as though the firmware is based on the power shots, certainly the menu system is very similar to the M3.

I wonder if the 5 axis electronic stabilisation works with manual lenses...
 
TimmyG said:
Well it's only £100 extra with the 15-45 so I might pick up a cheap one on the bay.

Just looking at some of the videos, it looks as though the firmware is based on the power shots, certainly the menu system is very similar to the M3.

I wonder if the 5 axis electronic stabilisation works with manual lenses...
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Unfortunately i read that the ibis only works for video.

Its certainly priced a lot higher than id been expecting.
 
studioworks said:
Unfortunately i read that the ibis only works for video.

Its certainly priced a lot higher than id been expecting.
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Ah yeah, sorry I wasn't clear. I was wondering if it would work for my macro videography. Stabilisation is my biggest issue and if it works with manual lenses then I might actually buy an M5 o_0!
 
TimmyG said:
Ah yeah, sorry I wasn't clear. I was wondering if it would work for my macro videography. Stabilisation is my biggest issue and if it works with manual lenses then I might actually buy an M5 o_0!
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It doesn't say anywhere, but if its in body it should work I would have thought, olympus and sony versions do.

Now, I want to hear how responsive the shutter is...
 
TimmyG said:
Well it's only £100 extra with the 15-45 so I might pick up a cheap one on the bay.

Just looking at some of the videos, it looks as though the firmware is based on the power shots, certainly the menu system is very similar to the M3.

I wonder if the 5 axis electronic stabilisation works with manual lenses...
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I grabbed the M10 kit with the 14-45 on a special. Got it for £275 plus the Canon £35 Summer cashback, s0 £240 for UK source. The list price of the lens alone is higher than that. I see the lens can be got on the Bay for around £150-170 in the titanium finish mine came with (white body). Not exactly discrete but stuck on a white Manfrotto compact tripod.....

I am staying off the product videos as I am on a weak mobile broadbsnd connection so will wait for now. If this M5 is 'Pukka' and the 'dog's doodahs' then a big downsizing of my DSLR kit is likely. It's an age thing!

Following the life of the thread, I think it is fair to say that many here have been wsiting for the M to evolve. Price will always be a driver but I balance it by the thought that my first house cost less than my current kit!

decisions decisions!
 
Gazamonk said:
Didn't say all CSCs and didn't specifically mention the GX7. Thinking more along the lines of cameras of the same age as the original M. To compare against current CSCs would be foolish but if you think an APS sensor in a body that size has no merit or that the 650D sensor is not up to the job ..... ? The 650D sensor and variants has been used by Canon in a host of its bodies including higher end ones. Well your entitled to your opinion and I don't know where you got that I preferred the M or 650D over other cameras. My point was that for the used price it is unmatched.
I shoot mainly with a 5D mkiii but have a 700D for backup/travelling light and the M for a general pocket carry. Happy with the shots I get from all three but appreciate that the characteristics of the three are very different but I'm also not a pixel peeper either.
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If you read my post you may be able to comprehend that I didn't ask the highlighted questions but as you have I'll try and answer...

Of course using an APS-C chip has merit but the fact is that Canon is still behind the cutting edge in sensor tech and at the time of the 650D they definitely were. Take a look at any of the technical review sites and I think you'll find information that backs this assertion up. Choose a CSC of a similar age by all means.

You stated that that the M and its 650D chips Knocks spots off many CSCs and MFTs, I think that's hyperbole. Yes, the M is a good price but that's not the limit of your own post. Did you not read your own post?

Sorry to pick on you but I do tire of the hyperbole and outlandish stuff we read here. IMO to knock spots off, as you put it, I'd expect to see real and demonstrable differences and I'm just not sure that's the case.
 
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No, I didn't read my own post. I typed it with my eyes shut. [emoji6] The 18mp sensor under its various guises and digic Processors served the Canon range adequately well while other manufacturers piled more and more megapixels into there sensors along with other technologies which in my opinion, on some, did little more than increase file sizes and noise. Lab tests are one thing but in real life usage a nice image that can be enlarged up to 30" on its long side is more than enough for most people. I don't feel picked on in the slightest so don't apologise. I just have little interest in protracted debates on this tech or that tech. I know what I like and am completely satisfied with my kit and opinion of it so in my mind it is neither an outlandish claim or hyperbole.
 
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