Canon EOS - Cheap Unreliable Rubbish?

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So I've dragged you in with the controversial thread title, but has anyone else had such shocking luck with these cameras? It seems the phrases ' built down to a price' and 'planned obsolescence' were coined for the damn things.

Started off with an EOS 30V - Received an offer I couldn't refuse on it, they seem to be worth a surprising amount. LIVES

Replaced with an EOS 30 - Died from 'EOS flashing battery symbol death' RIP

Bought a cheap EOS 50E as a replacement - A sturdy, intuitive and likable camera, would definitely pick up another in the future. LIVES

Then picked up an EOS 5 as I fancied a bigger body with more features - The infamous mode dial issue reared it's ugly head and left the camera stuck in Aperture Priority, despite me being extra careful with it. RIP

Paid way over the odds for another EOS 5, this time a mint boxed, end of line example with the supposedly strengthened mode dial - Died from 'EOS flashing battery symbol death' after three rolls. RIP

Replaced with an EOS 3 - Still in use today as my primary camera. LIVES

Purchased a cheap EOS 500 + 28-80mm zoom as a 'keep in the glove box loaded with Poundland film' throw about camera for social events and for shooting in lively parts of town. Got pinched at a cafe. LIVES (Possibly)

Replaced the 500 with the rare and obscure EF-M. Suffered from 'Sticky Shutter Death' RIP

So I then bought a mint EOS 3000 - Arrived DOA with oil over the shutter blades. RIP

Read about the quirky EOS 700 online so picked one up off that auction site. Yep, sticky shutter claims another victim. RIP

The painted hotshoe on my EOS 3 had got a bit worn, so I got hold of a £5 all in EOS 100 to rob it for parts. Was in such lovely condition I decided to run a roll through it for a final send off. Then sticky shutter reared it's ugly head 5 exposures in. RIP

It seems to be that the both the entire first and second generation of EOS cameras, (620, 650, 750, 10, 100, 1000F etc, with the single exception being the original EOS 1) will ALL eventually end up as paperweights due to 'sticky shutter'. The later cameras seem to be more mechanically reliable, but more prone to random electrical maladies. The EOS 5 in particular seems to sadly be a creaky, badly built time bomb with a mode dial made from cottage cheese.

In contrast, none of the dozen or so AF Nikon bodies I've owned has ever 'failed to proceed', and I never had a single issue with any of the Minolta Vectis S1 SLRs I had, despite them each having more dials, buttons and circuit boards then a nineties VCR.

So has this put me off Canon cameras for life? Well I've just won a T60, a camera infamous for being notoriously unreliable, so it's out of the frying pan and into the fire! :lol:
 
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Oh goodie - a thinly veiled nikon vs canon thread, that's all I need at the moment. :bat:

Play nicely people. I'm watching
 
Oh goodie - a thinly veiled nikon vs canon thread, that's all I need at the moment. :bat:

Play nicely people. I'm watching

OK TBY I'll try :D

As a satisfied user of Nikon cameras I would have been happy just to see the title:-

Canon - Cheap Unreliable Rubbish?

I wouldn't want this to turn into a tiresome and boring Nikon vs Canon thread and I know some folk love Canon film cameras and have used them for many years with no problems so maybe you've just been unlucky.
 
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Should have got a Minolta :) *running away smiley* :)
 
My EOS 300 still lives in my bag when I see something deserves to have the film treatment.

It's light and compact, perfect as secondary camera to a digital full frame.
 
Oh goodie - a thinly veiled nikon vs canon thread, that's all I need at the moment.

Play nicely people. I'm watching

Before tarring people with your big, fat fanboy brush could you actually take someone for their word?

Well come to think of it, I did have an EM that chewed up film and a Pronea 600i that got stuck in paperweight mode. So the other side isn't perfect either.
 
3 20+ year OM*0 running just fine, admittedly one did need a little bit of methylated spirits to get it going again.

See life's not just Nikon vs Cannon well not in here any way....
 
Before tarring people with your big, fat fanboy brush could you actually take someone for their word?

Well come to think of it, I did have an EM that chewed up film and a Pronea 600i that got stuck in paperweight mode. So the other side isn't perfect either.

Your going to fit in just fine round here with that attitude... :wave:

Is there are sarcasm smiley...
 
Your going to fit in just fine round here with that attitude... :wave:

Is there are sarcasm smiley...

I just wasn't expecting such a partisan reply from this place. DPRe***w or a manufacturer specific digital forum yeah, but on a supposedly friendly board for shonky, old and unreliable film cameras? :(
 
Hello and welcome to the film and controversial section. :wave:

Best not to upset TBY, he has a ban hammer and he's not afraid to use it. :whistling:
 
Before tarring people with your big, fat fanboy brush could you actually take someone for their word?

This isn't going to end nicely ;)

You do realise that a user with a green name is a Mod? The word under his user name might be a clue as well :lol:.

I suspect it was more of a mod post than a "big fat fanboy" post...
 
I just wasn't expecting such a partisan reply from this place. DPRe***w or a manufacturer specific digital forum yeah, but on a supposedly friendly board for shonky, old and unreliable film cameras? :(

Doesn't look terribly biased to me, in fact looks like disdain at the thought of another partisan conversation.
 
I think it was more a very gentle hinty that this thread should not descend into a this v that argument or it would be quickly eradicated.
We are old and shonky this is true but sometimes we get a bit fractious and need the firm hand of our resident mod to calm us down and issue the Sanatogen and Jaffa cakes.

Andy
 
Calm down folks we're in danger of being mistaken for a 'shooting wedding for free' discussion.

Remember this is the friendliest section of TP even if we do smell funny :D
 
ALL brands of cameras are carp when they don't work as you wish them to.

ALL brands of cameras do and will stop working at some point.

ALL brands of cameras will have some models that are more reliable than others

ALL photographers will have different experiences with differing equipment and ALL of them will differ in their opinion of what brand/model is "better".

If it works and you like it....use it.

If it breaks and you like it..... repair it.

If it breaks and you dislike it......feel relieved and bin it.

If it peeves you off ......change it for something that doesn't.

Failing that, send it all to me where it can be appreciated.
 
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Calm down folks we're in danger of being mistaken for a 'shooting wedding for free' discussion.

Remember this is the friendliest section of TP even if we do smell funny :D

I have heard that Nikons are made from cabbage leaves and eels! :naughty:
 
don't smell funny....oh, wait......yes I do. :nuts::naughty:
 
H'mm I don't think I'll get an EOS, but no problems with pre EOS cameras.
 
Oh dear, I seem to have created a monster!

Sorry Mr nice and all-powerful Big Yin, I just took slight umbrage to being potentially classed as someone batting for the 'N' camp. *Holds out hand*

Could we get back onto topic now? pretty please with a cherry on top?

Is it just me with some awful luck on these things? I'm currently tied to the EF mount because of my Digit-Al system, but most of the 35mm EOS bodies I pick up seem intent on 'doing a Beachy Head' :(
 
don't smell funny....oh, wait......yes I do. :nuts::naughty:

Due to hanging around too close to Mr Surf perhaps?? :gag: :D :D

I'm at a safe distance....for the moment anyway!:D
 
Doesn't look terribly biased to me, in fact looks like disdain at the thought of another partisan conversation.

:thumbs:

I think it was more a very gentle hinty that this thread should not descend into a this v that argument or it would be quickly eradicated.
We are old and shonky this is true but sometimes we get a bit fractious and need the firm hand of our resident mod to calm us down and issue the Sanatogen and Jaffa cakes.

Andy

Exactly - it would normally (and is now) been posted in "mod comment bold blue" to separate it from my own personal opinions (but I was on my mobile and wanted to slap a notice on there quick - i'm back home from the Dr's now and have access to a proper keyboard, I just can't be doing with those tiny screen keys on my mobile...)


ALL brands of cameras are carp when they don't work as you wish them to.

ALL brands of cameras do and will stop working at some point.

ALL brands of cameras will have some models that are more reliable than others

ALL photographers will have different experiences with differing equipment and ALL of them will differ in their opinion of what brand/model is "better".

If it works and you like it....use it.

If it breaks and you like it..... repair it.

If it breaks and you dislike it......feel relieved and bin it.

If it peeves you off ......change it for something that doesn't.

Failing that, send it all to me where it can be appreciated.

Great post - and pretty much sums it all up.


FWIW, over my shooting career i've had 3xEOS3's a EOS1 and a EOS30 which have never missed a beat - 2 of the EOS3's in particular were used by a prior owner as his "shooting pair" on cruises - 10-15 rolls of 36exp film each camera 6 nights a week, 48 weeks a year for 2 years... In that time he admitted to losing 1 roll of film due to user error. That's reliability! Inside them, they were virtually identical to my other EOS3, which had barely been used when I purchased it.

I did however have a EOS5 which had the obligatory knackered dial (which I fixed) and used for around 3 rolls until it went bang as the "magic smoke" released - on internal inspection, the flexible plastic bits with the copper tracks had melted and pretty much munged everything inside.

I'm certainly no "blinkered fanboy" - I complain about kit that fails, don't complain about stuff that doesnt, and don't get involved to any great extent with kit i've never used in anger or owned. So, no, I wasn't commenting on Nikon stuff - they have made some really nice looking cameras, but I've never worked with them above shooting the odd frame on someone elses camera here and there.

I've had Yashicas, Hasselblads, Canons, Contax's, Voigtlanders, Feds, Bronicas and quite a few other cameras - all of them have had occasional problems, none of which have been enough to say "I'm never using them again"

At the end of the day, all the cameras you mentioned in your initial list are actually quite old for "electrical/microprocessor controlled, LED bearing cameras" and it's perhaps unsurprising that they have had their share of electrical problems. The "pro" versions, by their very nature of being designed to work in the way I mentioned above for a good 3-4 years may well have fewer problems...
 
I used an EOS5 for some years as my main camera, used mostly on weddings and functions - must have had thousands of rolls of film through it, never missed a beat (and I still have it!). I'm not at all prejudiced in the Canon/Nikon debate - I've used both down the years with success!

Any "electronic" camera built over a decade ago may well be becoming unreliable, nothing to do with the make, just the nature of them!
 
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Hmmm, I have just been given a Canon 1000F with a 35-80mm lens and I was shocked at how "plastic" it is!

However, I have sent away for a new battery so we will see!


Heather
 
Simple answer, I dont shoot any cameras that have batteries or any electronics in them:D nothing to go wrong, or nothing I cant fix myself.

Mart
 
Or clockwork unless your a watch repairer.... which leaves pin holes and field cameras with very slow film :D
 
Never had any problems with any of my EOS cameras either film or digital and we are talking about 8 over the years,god knows how old the EOS 600 is but still works perfectly
 
Why not field cameras with normal or fast film?


Steve.

To make sure you get an exposure time that you can control with a hat rather than a shutter. I'm no LF expert so those kind of times might be normal.
 
Hmmm, I have just been given a Canon 1000F with a 35-80mm lens and I was shocked at how "plastic" it is!

However, I have sent away for a new battery so we will see!

Heather

Hey...are you back ? Good to see you in here again.
 
Hmmm, I have just been given a Canon 1000F with a 35-80mm lens and I was shocked at how "plastic" it is!

However, I have sent away for a new battery so we will see!


Heather

They are stronger than they look, I have a 1000F which has been abused for many years and still works fine.
 
I have a Canon eos 500n that's been going strong for years never broken down and I like the light weight even if it does feel a little plastic.
 
I have a digital *spit* Canon and an older film one (600) - I like them both. They've both been sturdy and not gone wrong... the familiarity of controls is why I keep using them. Even if the viewfinder is a bit tiny...
 
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Hmmm, I have just been given a Canon 1000F with a 35-80mm lens and I was shocked at how "plastic" it is!

I believe it was Canon's absolute bottom of the range SLR, or at least very close to the bottom so it's understandable that it would be built in a very basic way compared to others. I delved into film properly after starting on digital and found a 1000F on ebay for a tenner, it did a fair bit of travelling with me and never let me down once.

I now use an EOS 10 and Olympus OM20, both of which still perform great! :)
 
Sticky shutter issues, can't they be resolved by cleaning the blades? Might take some time but it would be worth it instead of binning those cameras.
 
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