Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Owners Thread

The reality is they've intentionally crippled the cameras video facilities

Dude over at EOSHD said they made every mistake they made with the 4 year old 1Dc.

Only good thing going for it regarding video is the dual pixel af
 
jonneymendoza said:
Google. I've seen a few examples and videos about it. Unless you zoom 200percent you won't see a difference in sharpness. At least on those cameras
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Creating large prints is, in effect, zooming (by a large %)........and that's the raison d’être of the 5DSR.

The second part of the equation is the lens used. Sure, a 24-105 or 70-200 is not going to cut it but a state of the art prime (think Zeiss Otus) will.

Bob
 
Canon Bob said:
Creating large prints is, in effect, zooming (by a large %)........and that's the raison d’être of the 5DSR.

The second part of the equation is the lens used. Sure, a 24-105 or 70-200 is not going to cut it but a state of the art prime (think Zeiss Otus) will.

Bob
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You don't see much of a difference.
 
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digital said:
You're not wrong, but the lack of something as simple as a tilting viewfinder is quite a disappointment for those of us who have used them.
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Totally agree. I'm a real estate photographer and use the articulating screen on my 60d rather than use my better performing 5DmkIII. Annoys me that they don't use the tilting screen across the range. Was hoping it might make it to the 5DIV but sadly and predictably not.
 
Oliver Pohlmann said:
Totally agree. I'm a real estate photographer and use the articulating screen on my 60d rather than use my better performing 5DmkIII. Annoys me that they don't use the tilting screen across the range. Was hoping it might make it to the 5DIV but sadly and predictably not.
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Tilt screen's handy for low level landscapes too.
 
Im personally not a fan of tilting screens but then again I never shoot anything that requires it.
 
For the price they're charging imo, it should have tilting screen, better video etc, etc, it's not a two bob upgrade it's a huge amount of money.
 
Swissy said:
For the price they're charging imo, it should have tilting screen, better video etc, etc, it's not a two bob upgrade it's a huge amount of money.
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Some people don't like tilting screen as they think it compromises build/robustness so maybe Canon have listened to their customers? I'd personally want a tilt screen though.
 
Its a crazy amount of money imo, agree the video should be better, especially after what the 5DII did with video.
 
LBJNBA said:
Its a crazy amount of money imo, agree the video should be better, especially after what the 5DII did with video.
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As I've said loads of times in this thread, it's $99 less than the day one 5d3 price.

You can't compare UK price thanks to Brexit and the very weak pound against the Yen.
 
odd jim said:
As I've said loads of times in this thread, it's $99 less than the day one 5d3 price.

You can't compare UK price thanks to Brexit and the very weak pound against the Yen.
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This ^
And tilting screens will never get to 'pro' cameras, they create a point of failure, that's not deemed worth the small advantage.

I don't really understand what's missing from the video functionalityas im no expert, but Canon have to leave room for their specialist tools. So the 5d will never be as fast as the 1d or have all the video toys the C cameras have. It's not complicated, simple market segmentation.
 
DigitalRev's pricing is up - body only is a whopping £100 cheaper than the UK price
 
NSNO said:
DigitalRev's pricing is up - body only is a whopping £100 cheaper than the UK price
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And? Grey importers will take advantage of the U.K Market too, to push up their profit margins.

5d4 in the States = $3400
5d3 on release in the States = $3499.

Canon are selling the 5d4 unit per unit for less than the 5d3. They are charging retailers less wholesale. It's the retailers that are taking advantage of our poor position in the UK. As the 'majority' voted for this, we can't moan at upcoming price hikes.
 
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Swissy said:
For the price they're charging imo, it should have tilting screen, better video etc, etc, it's not a two bob upgrade it's a huge amount of money.
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No-ones forcing you to buy it. There are models in the range with tilting screens for those that want them.
It's a professional camera, therefore robustness wins out.

As for the money, that's the price point for a pre-release, same as the 5D mk3, probably will be around the £3k just after release - as we've discussed so many times this thread.
 
odd jim said:
And? Grey importers will take advantage of the U.K Market too, to push up their profit margins.

5d4 in the States = $3400
5d3 on release in the States = $3499.

Canon are selling this unit per unit for less. It's the retailers that are taking advantage of our poor position in the UK. As the 'majority' voted for this, we can't moan at upcoming price hikes.
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Retailers aren't taking advantage at all. You expect them to make no money on what they sell? Retailers need to make around 8% as a whole otherwise overheads etc will see a forced closure. That helps no one. The pice is as it should be. Blame the rates and the government. Brexit vote didn't cause this as we are still in the EU. The Government creating uncertainty and nervous traders of stocks caused the problems we have now not the retailers. They will suffer just as we will. It's too expensive so we don't buy it.'we don't buy it and the retailer makes no money. Retailer goes bust and we can't buy it. Rinse repeat until the markets hit recessions and/or collapse.
 
Andrew Moore said:
Retailers aren't taking advantage at all. You expect them to make no money on what they sell? Retailers need to make around 8% as a whole otherwise overheads etc will see a forced closure. That helps no one. The pice is as it should be. Blame the rates and the government. Brexit vote didn't cause this as we are still in the EU. The Government creating uncertainty and nervous traders of stocks caused the problems we have now not the retailers. They will suffer just as we will. It's too expensive so we don't buy it.'we don't buy it and the retailer makes no money. Retailer goes bust and we can't buy it. Rinse repeat until the markets hit recessions and/or collapse.
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Sorry, that's balls.

Bexit is DIRECTLY responsible for the poor pound v yen v dollar, that can't be denied, look at the exchange rates since the vote. This has happened because of lack of confidence (it matters not that we havn't actually left the EU yet). The pound dived the very next day the vote was passed. It's yo-yo'd but the confidence still isn't there.

The retailers predicted this is June, to hit prices in August. Guess what, it's happened.

The unaffected markets (US and Japan) are selling the 5d4 for less than the 5d3 on day one (as I've said so many times, $3400 / $3499) That's the real unaffected unit by unit price.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
How many here actually do video?
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With the 5D mk3, about 1% of what I use it for, mostly stills. The SJ7000 (go pro type) and 500D gets used for car videos, the 5D Mk3 gets used for video when I come across things such as walkign into a church in Venice and watching/recording a choir practice.
 
Byker28i said:
tell me - whats worse about the 5D mk4 video than the Mk2?
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Near 10 years of difference !!

People aren't arguing about it being X amount better than the mk2 they're arguing that it's pretty clear the video functionality has been intentionally crippled.
 
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Byker28i said:
With the 5D mk3, about 1% of what I use it for, mostly stills. The SJ7000 (go pro type) and 500D gets used for car videos, the 5D Mk3 gets used for video when I come across things such as walkign into a church in Venice and watching/recording a choir practice.
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My point is most us here probably never touch video.

I already noted earlier on and said this forum is primarily a stills forum right?

Why would anyone here who doesn't use video complain about video....
 
odd jim said:
Sorry, that's balls.

Bexit is DIRECTLY responsible for the poor pound v yen v dollar, that can't be denied, look at the exchange rates. This has happened because of lack of confidence (it matters not that we havn't actually left the EU yet). The pound dived the very next day the vote was passed.

The retailers predicted this is June, to hit prices in August. Guess what, it's happened.

The unaffected markets (US and Japan) are selling this for less than the 5d3 on day one. That's the real unaffected unit by unit price.
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It's only responsible in the sense that it caused the rate to inflate from 1.43 to 1.5 in the space of 10days and aisequently drop to its now 1.33. It's realistically dropped 10points and not anywhere near the 17/18 that some spout FACT.

The rates only dropped due to mass selling and trading in the markets as assets left the UK and UK based investments. If the trading and mass selling of UK assests and UK based investments didn't happen where do you think the rates would be? The rate drop was caused by the uncertainty the government provided by not evoking article 50 and for all issues within and the collapsing of government parties including the resignation of the PM. That is what causes rates to drop not because of brexit as we haven't even left yet so still have all the trading powers and legislations and laws we already had! What happened when I woke up the following day and had to deal in dollars? Nothing. Nothing had changed. The principles remained the same as they always will and do. It's only change was the rate drop and the halt to purchasing that followed. Once stocks ran short and new batches came in at higher pricing (or revalued by distribution) did buying start again as life needs to continue.

Brexit is a term to describe a collective event that has roots in all aspects of life surrounding the date, events and ripples in that period and the time running up to and following it.

You say look at the exchange rates. Look at trading surround the rates and the effect they have on the rates and not the rates themselves. It's misunderstandings like that that drives panic and the ripple touches other people and businesses like dominos being toppled.

Retailers may have said that in June and prices would rise in August but that's just common sense. If the vote is to leave investments will likely leave and the strength of the pound would drop. Less capital in the country means less value which means a weaker currency. You get paid £40k a year before brexit you still get paid £40k a year. The only difference is that the £40k is worth less elsewhere now.

The 5D4 is cheaper. It just isn't here and that has nothing to do with the UK voting to leave, it's to do with the collective events surrounding that decision driven by fear, worry, uncertainty and stupidity. Remove subjectivity and replace it with objectivity and we would likely not have half the problems we have now. Subjectivity drives opinion and objectivity drives fact.
 
Andrew Moore said:
It's only responsible in the sense that it caused the rate to inflate from 1.43 to 1.5 in the space of 10days and aisequently drop to its now 1.33. It's realistically dropped 10points and not anywhere near the 17/18 that some spout FACT.

The rates only dropped due to mass selling and trading in the markets as assets left the UK and UK based investments. If the trading and mass selling of UK assests and UK based investments didn't happen where do you think the rates would be? The rate drop was caused by the uncertainty the government provided by not evoking article 50 and for all issues within and the collapsing of government parties including the resignation of the PM. That is what causes rates to drop not because of brexit as we haven't even left yet so still have all the trading powers and legislations and laws we already had! What happened when I woke up the following day and had to deal in dollars? Nothing. Nothing had changed. The principles remained the same as they always will and do. It's only change was the rate drop and the halt to purchasing that followed. Once stocks ran short and new batches came in at higher pricing (or revalued by distribution) did buying start again as life needs to continue.

Brexit is a term to describe a collective event that has roots in all aspects of life surrounding the date, events and ripples in that period and the time running up to and following it.

You say look at the exchange rates. Look at trading surround the rates and the effect they have on the rates and not the rates themselves. It's misunderstandings like that that drives panic and the ripple touches other people and businesses like dominos being toppled.

Retailers may have said that in June and prices would rise in August but that's just common sense. If the vote is to leave investments will likely leave and the strength of the pound would drop. Less capital in the country means less value which means a weaker currency. You get paid £40k a year before brexit you still get paid £40k a year. The only difference is that the £40k is worth less elsewhere now.

The 5D4 is cheaper. It just isn't here and that has nothing to do with the UK voting to leave, it's to do with the collective events surrounding that decision driven by fear, worry, uncertainty and stupidity. Remove subjectivity and replace it with objectivity and we would likely not have half the problems we have now. Subjectivity drives opinion and objectivity drives fact.
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Pretty much what I alluded to, the crash of the pound and then subsequent lack of confidence in the uk market, the financial powerhouses leaving London, and far less capital in the UK. Mostly attributed to the vote to leave (at least three large financiers left London for Germany stating the same).
 
Byker28i said:
No-ones forcing you to buy it. There are models in the range with tilting screens for those that want them.
It's a professional camera, therefore robustness wins out.

As for the money, that's the price point for a pre-release, same as the 5D mk3, probably will be around the £3k just after release - as we've discussed so many times this thread.
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Correct, nobody is forcing me to buy, but i'm still allowed to express my feelings about it am i not?:
 
From over here the price is the same in Swiss francs only difference is lower vat so not sure about currency impacts...
 
newbie1 said:
From over here the price is the same in Swiss francs only difference is lower vat so not sure about currency impacts...
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The euro was hit by Brexit too?
However the dollar and yen weren't.
 
Phil V said:
The euro was hit by Brexit too?
However the dollar and yen weren't.
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Swiss francs aren't so closely tied to euro as they used to be and against USD I don't see any impact from brexit
 
Byker28i said:
Correct, but forgive us when we point out why those opinions are wrong :D
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Not wrong in my opinion which is what matters to me.
Okay?
 
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Phil V said:
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And tilting screens will never get to 'pro' cameras, they create a point of failure, that's not deemed worth the small advantage.
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Not so, Phil....the Pentax 645Z has a tilting/articulated LCD.

Bob
 
Don't see what the fuss is about, the price is high at start it will come down...

If you don't like the price there are cheaper alternatives...if you have lots of money there are more expensive alternatives..

FWIW I wish Canon would have split the line and had 5dx for stills and a 5dc for video, but there you go :)
 
Swissy said:
Not wrong in my opinion which is what matters to me.
Okay?
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Whatever makes you happy.

So what's your usual camera, seeing as all the images on your flicker are with a compact? Do you own a 5D mk3, do you have aspirations of a 5D mk4?

The 5D mk4 is following along the lines of the same route all of the body upgrades from Canon have been. A progressive upgrade. Doesn't matter if we're talking 5D, 10-70D, 300-600D bodies etc they've always been progressive upgrades, always sold to a price point in their market space.

The mk4 is primarily aimed at those who can recognise the abilities and advantages the new features will give them, which is usually in difficult situations where other cameras may struggle. Thats why its positioned as a professional camera and also as an upgrade to the 5D mk3 owners (who have previously committed a fair wedge of cash to canons coffers so may do the same again). Thats why the progressive upgrade makes sense and why they have such a wide range of bodies to cover all markets.
 
Andrew Moore said:
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The 5D4 is cheaper. It just isn't here and that has nothing to do with the UK voting to leave, it's to do with the collective events surrounding that decision driven by fear, worry, uncertainty and stupidity. Remove subjectivity and replace it with objectivity and we would likely not have half the problems we have now. Subjectivity drives opinion and objectivity drives fact.
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Nothing to do with the U.K. voting to leave the EU, yet completely driven by the fallout of that decision.

Clear as mud.

A simple case of not wanting to admit that decisions create consequence.

There's no alternative with a brighter outcome, if we'd have invoked article 50 on day 1, we'd still be living in a world of unknowns. In fact I'd go as far as to say, it'd have been less stable, because there's a period of status quo from here, but a request to leave would have opened (will open) up a whole other can of worms.
 
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Canon Bob said:
Not so, Phil....the Pentax 645Z has a tilting/articulated LCD.

Bob
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Which is largely a 'studio' camera, in fact I'd go as far as to say it's the 'enthusiasts' MF DSLR. the pro market was catered for by Hasselblad and C1, it was enthusiasts who screamed out for the Pentax ;)
 
Byker28i said:
Whatever makes you happy.

So what's your usual camera, seeing as all the images on your flicker are with a compact? Do you own a 5D mk3, do you have aspirations of a 5D mk4?
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Due to illness i now struggle to use larger DSLR's, yes i'd love to own it, but i'll probably wait for a GH5, providing they don't cripple that too.

I'm disappointed with a lot of aspects of this new Canon, and you disagree with me, che sarà, sarà
 
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