Can anyone be of assistance in what seems a long time debate over which of the two canon lenses would be the one to choose? Given the obvious cost differences is the F2.8 IS the better of the two lenses ? Ive trawled review sites and am stuck !!
Canon EF 70-200 F2.8 / F4 IS which one ?
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It's such a personal decision sgott. The best one for me was and still is, the f4 non IS. Some people would really struggle without the extra stop AND the IS.
It's all down to what you shoot. Perhaps if you let us know what you shoot, people can make some cases for you to consider.
It's all down to what you shoot. Perhaps if you let us know what you shoot, people can make some cases for you to consider.
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This question is constantly asked and there are loads of threads on the subject if you do a search.
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The f4 version is loads cheaper and just as sharp, if not sharper.
The faster aperture and the IS are invaluable if you really need them.. It really depends what/where you intend to shoot.
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The f4 version is loads cheaper and just as sharp, if not sharper.
The faster aperture and the IS are invaluable if you really need them.. It really depends what/where you intend to shoot.
Thanks for the replies - more food for thought !
I use the 30D for anything and everything - indoor portrait stuff, general outdoor photography, close up indoor ebay stuff - and shots of our two dogs when I can get them still enough ! Also want to do some wildlife and sports photography this year.
I use the 30D for anything and everything - indoor portrait stuff, general outdoor photography, close up indoor ebay stuff - and shots of our two dogs when I can get them still enough ! Also want to do some wildlife and sports photography this year.
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Well if you are looking to getting into wildlife and sports photography, it would always be best to get the longest and fastest lens you can afford. I think that 200mm would be a bit short for wildlife, I am ordering a 2x TC for my 120-300mm just for that extra reach. I don't do sports but having an f/2.8 tele sure helps with low light situations, and not only for that.
You should consider the weight of the lens aswell. Carrying a heavy lens on long walks can be tiring. The extra purchases you'll need to make should also be considered. After buying my long tele, I had to spend more money on a more sturdy tripod, a new ball & socket head, thinking of buying a good monopod, not to mention the cost of a good 105mm filter. If the UV filter was reaching £100 I don't even want to check for the price of a good polariser.
Why not looking into the Sigma 100-300mm F/4 aswell. It's cheaper and really sharp. But my suggestion would be to go for an f/2.8 lens. You can always step it down for sharper results but being able to shoot at f/2.8 is a must, especially for sports.
You should consider the weight of the lens aswell. Carrying a heavy lens on long walks can be tiring. The extra purchases you'll need to make should also be considered. After buying my long tele, I had to spend more money on a more sturdy tripod, a new ball & socket head, thinking of buying a good monopod, not to mention the cost of a good 105mm filter. If the UV filter was reaching £100 I don't even want to check for the price of a good polariser.
Why not looking into the Sigma 100-300mm F/4 aswell. It's cheaper and really sharp. But my suggestion would be to go for an f/2.8 lens. You can always step it down for sharper results but being able to shoot at f/2.8 is a must, especially for sports.
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I use a 70-200 F4 for sport but have a 100-400 as backup.
The 70-200 F4 was bought more because of weight, it's easy to use all day, whereas you know when you've been using the heavier lens. I don't tend to use the IS in sport, but it would be handy for handheld long distance bird shots.
If it's a matter of costs, you could use the 70-2.8 with a 2x convertor and still have autofocus.
The 70-200 F4 was bought more because of weight, it's easy to use all day, whereas you know when you've been using the heavier lens. I don't tend to use the IS in sport, but it would be handy for handheld long distance bird shots.
If it's a matter of costs, you could use the 70-2.8 with a 2x convertor and still have autofocus.
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Well I use it mostly for birds at the moment in situations where the 500mm is just too long. It does mean getting very close to them- probably around 5 or 6 feet, While the fast 2.8 aperture is great in low light though it does mean DOF is paper thin, so it's usually beneficial to stop down a little.
As a walk around lens though for picking faces out of a crowd or in the street, that's just what you'd want - big aperture narrow DOF.
It's a very versatile lens - highly recommeded.
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Well I dunno about knock spots off it - they're two very different critters for different situations. 
It isn't just the sharpness with the 70-200, which is a given - the colour and contrast straight out of the camera with L glass is bang on the money. It costs that much for a reason!
It's not quite as heavy as the 100-400L but it's a weighty beast and yep -you'll know you're carrying it around.
It isn't just the sharpness with the 70-200, which is a given - the colour and contrast straight out of the camera with L glass is bang on the money. It costs that much for a reason!
It's not quite as heavy as the 100-400L but it's a weighty beast and yep -you'll know you're carrying it around.
Cheers. All good justification for laying out a second mortgage for one 
Its obviously worth it, after looking at your website and the quality of images it produces.
Shoulders will have to be broad to get the cost of it past the wife !
Its obviously worth it, after looking at your website and the quality of images it produces.
Shoulders will have to be broad to get the cost of it past the wife !
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Well those shots are taken with the 100-400L and the 500mm f4L, some with the 70-200.
Don't run away with the idea that the 70-200 is an ideal wildlife lens unless you can get close, but these are a couple of shots definitely taken with it.
Don't run away with the idea that the 70-200 is an ideal wildlife lens unless you can get close, but these are a couple of shots definitely taken with it.
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Probably around 5 feet.
As you can see, in the first shot the light was grim so it was shot wide open at f2.8 which doesn't even bring the far leg into focus when you're working that close.
In the second shot with better light I was able to stop down a couple of stops and you can see the difference.
As you can see, in the first shot the light was grim so it was shot wide open at f2.8 which doesn't even bring the far leg into focus when you're working that close.
In the second shot with better light I was able to stop down a couple of stops and you can see the difference.
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Okay, controversy
I've had the F4 (non IS) the Sigma 70-200 F2.8 and currently I've got the Canon F2.8IS.
My preference, in order is:
Canon F4
Sigma
Canon F2.8IS
The F4 is the sharpest of the lot and I'd say it's quicker focussing that the Canon F2.8IS. The sigma is just as sharp, if not sharper, than the Canon F2.8 IS and considerably cheaper. There's nothing actually wrong with the Canon F2.8IS but after having the first two I was expecting something more and it doesn't really deliver anything extra, for me anyway.
I've had the F4 (non IS) the Sigma 70-200 F2.8 and currently I've got the Canon F2.8IS.
My preference, in order is:
Canon F4
Sigma
Canon F2.8IS
The F4 is the sharpest of the lot and I'd say it's quicker focussing that the Canon F2.8IS. The sigma is just as sharp, if not sharper, than the Canon F2.8 IS and considerably cheaper. There's nothing actually wrong with the Canon F2.8IS but after having the first two I was expecting something more and it doesn't really deliver anything extra, for me anyway.
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What I was expecting was focussing speed and sharpness. I've been checking through the archives the last few weeks and since I got this my percentage of keepers due to mis-focussing is definitely down. I'm fairly sure it's not a technique issue as even using the 100-400 at the snowman rally last month I was getting what I expected to be the norm. Maybe I've just got a friday afternoon sample :shrug:
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I think it's also worth a mention that an IS lens will focus faster if the IS is switched off.
Other than that, the greater mass of glass being moved will slow down the beast.....the 85L is an excellent example to use here.
Bob
Other than that, the greater mass of glass being moved will slow down the beast.....the 85L is an excellent example to use here.
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one, you won't catch me out with that one
Bob, yep, I realise that but my Sigma was pretty much spot on all the time. Any problems I normally knew it as soon as I'd taken the shot and user error was definitely to blame. With this thing I'm never sure what I've got till I see them uploaded.
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It seems strange to me that the lens with the larger 2.8 aperture is available with IS but the f4 isn't, even though thats the lens which will need longer exposures.
Why can't we have an f4 IS?
Why can't we have an f4 IS?
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Well that's Ok then!
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LOL. It wasn't a trick question, and never having shot this stuff I'm not sure whether one or more points would be the norm.one, you won't catch me out with that one
A few points though which strike me about this Doddy...
I's a pretty dark image and we know that AF systems need contrast (detail) to focus on.
You've obtained focus on the first shot from that pretty small single AF point on the chin at a point which obviously had enough detail for the AF to lock on.
The bike is obviously travelling at speed during this sequence and it's highly unlikely that you'd be holding the AF point over the same point on that second shot. The AF point only needs to fall momentarily over a point with insufficent detail and it's going to struggle and hunt?
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No problem Dod ! its good to read about others experiences with picture taking
The bird pics are very good too CT - I would struggle to get close enough as the minute I step into the garden I have a large retriever at my side - not much good for getting close to birds hence the requirement for a long range zoom of high quality.
It does seem to be a recurring question, Ive noticed that too, its just v hard to reach a decision either way, given that both lenses offer a great deal in terms of quality and uses.
The bird pics are very good too CT - I would struggle to get close enough as the minute I step into the garden I have a large retriever at my side - not much good for getting close to birds
hence the requirement for a long range zoom of high quality.It does seem to be a recurring question, Ive noticed that too, its just v hard to reach a decision either way, given that both lenses offer a great deal in terms of quality and uses.
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