Canon announces EOS 7D ***Official Discussion thread***

buckas said:
:) paul - is the 1dIV still on the cards? i know it was mentioned to try and release a new 1 series for the winter olympics but wondering as this (7D) has got improved AF and faster fps, do you think they're going to aim this one for that instead and delay the 1dIV? :thinking:

drew
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It's my understanding that there will be a replacement for the 1D at some point. Whether it is called the 1D IV or something else I don't know.

There may be another announcement this year I guess (there's a big Canon pro seminar in the UK at the end of October) but I'm not convinced. It may be Feb 2010. That would actually fit with the "typical" 3 year product life cycle on the 1-series but would (as you say) miss the Winter Olympic - and my winter trip to Norway!

There's always a big sporting event round the corner and there is also the footie World Cup next summer so they could launch in time for that.

I honestly don't know but I was a little surprised it wasn't announced this September and I would be surpised if both were announced close together as they would seem to overlap to some degree...
 
grumpybadger said:
It's my understanding that there will be a replacement for the 1D at some point. Whether it is called the 1D IV or something else I don't know.

There may be another announcement this year I guess (there's a big Canon pro seminar in the UK at the end of October) but I'm not convinced. It may be Feb 2010. That would actually fit with the "typical" 3 year product life cycle on the 1-series but would (as you say) miss the Winter Olympic - and my winter trip to Norway!

There's always a big sporting event round the corner and there is also the footie World Cup next summer so they could launch in time for that.

I honestly don't know but I was a little surprised it wasn't announced this September and I would be surpised if both were announced close together as they would seem to overlap to some degree...
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:thumbs:

norway, nice! you lucky beggar - was a norway special on Coast last week, stunning place! "the atlantic road" looks amazing, on my list along with iceland :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mcwyv/Coast_Series_4_Norway_Lillesand_to_Svalbard/ :)

drew
 
Hmmm sports spec but the shutter lag is the same as the 50D, so motorsport togs, don't imagine Canon have given you too much of the 1D here!

Its till just over one third more laggy than a D300 :D

Still, you've got most of the D300S in the other features, including what sounds like a very similar AF system that finally allows you to make adjustments to the tracking sensitivity like the 1D has had for ages.

Anyway, looks like a proper competitor to the D300S although if I was still with Canon I'd be holding onto my cash for the 1D MkIV....
 
Canon are clever, it's just fast enough to make it a better sports camera than the 5d MKII but it doesn't have too many features to steal pro sales of the 1d (dual card slots, epic weather sealing etc)

The built in flash controller is a big plus for strobists as previously we'd have to either buy a 580exII / ST2 to sit on camera or stump up for radio triggers which don't relay any TTL information.

8fps will be great for sports / wildlife shooting, as will the extra range from the 1.6 crop. Not so good depth of field for studio work though.

Nothing too conclusive about the high iso noise, but 18mp in a 1.6 crop is going to be messy. If it gets close to the 5d MKII I'll be impressed. I imagine once it's analysed properly there will be a lot of noise control softening the images.

So now the only real choice is full frame or not! Right now, I think I'd still put my money on a second hand 1d MKIII.

I still don't think it will match the d300s as an all rounder, and canon still don't have an answer to the D700.

Nice.
 
grumpybadger said:
Currently minded to get one in a while and keep the 1DsII as well.

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You will regret it ;)

Hang on for the 1DMKIV-you know it makes sense.

Canon are not thick (well not usually), and I can't see them ever letting one of their non pro bodies overtake their pro bodies in respect of a/f speed (among a host of other attributes)
 
Low light looks very good from initial samples, comparable to 5D2.

If this comes at £1000 serious decision making to be done. Currently have 40D and was looking at 5D2, now this has thrown a spanner in the works. Waiting for serious reviews before I make any decsion at all. What has happened to the rumoured 24-70 f2.8 IS? Initial reports seem as good as expected. Srre someone will be along to tell me Nikon does low light better any minute now....
 
Les McLean said:
You will regret it ;)

Hang on for the 1DMKIV-you know it makes sense.

Canon are not thick (well not usually), and I can't see them ever letting one of their non pro bodies overtake their pro bodies in respect of a/f speed (among a host of other attributes)
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Even if the 7d AF matches the 1d MK4 (they still haven't got the tracking AF right in the 1d MK3) there's still the trump card of the 1.6 crop.
 
jon- said:
Even if the 7d AF matches the 1d MK4 (they still haven't got the tracking AF right in the 1d MK3) there's still the trump card of the 1.6 crop.
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I tend to look it from the other perspective, and that a 1.3 crop trumps a 1.6 crop, it's quite a comfortable point between a 1.6 and a FF sensor.
 
Hopefully the price will be reasonable by xmas and I'll be able to get my hands on one. I know it doesn't interest anyone here but the video specs are excellent, much better than the 5DII :D
 
specialman said:
Just looks like a 10D to me... and they were pants ;)
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Nah, the 10D is a heroic little camera. This will never compare. ;)

This does look VERY techy to me, time will tell if it walks the walk I guess.
 
Les McLean said:
You will regret it ;)

Hang on for the 1DMKIV-you know it makes sense.

Canon are not thick (well not usually), and I can't see them ever letting one of their non pro bodies overtake their pro bodies in respect of a/f speed (among a host of other attributes)
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I might Les, which is why I won't rush into it. The thing is that the 1DsII is currently my main camera and the only thing that would make me change would be a full frame 1DIV, and even then, I'm not sure I'll think that £3500 is justified.

This thing after the initial rush would potentially make a great backup/2nd body to go alongside my 1Ds which, in case you haven't noticed, I have a continuing long term love affair with.

1DsII+7D+£2k in my hip pocket sounds reasonable to me!

We'll see. I should be able to borrow one in a few weeks to have a play with. If I can, that will be the proof. No rushed decisions here!
 
Just been speaking to my Canon pal this morning, he didn't say too much but they are hoping to have good stocks fairly early on in the release.
It is however going to have a bit of a learning curve as the software options are substantial, however the operation of all the newer bodies gets ever more complex. Looks an interesting model from a number of points, however, and the AF reports will be anxiously awaited. Galbraith is already rubbishing one of the settings!!
 
dazzajl said:
Nah, the 10D is a heroic little camera. This will never compare. ;)

This does look VERY techy to me, time will tell if it walks the walk I guess.
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Think you're right. I posted a thread about being disappointed with the new 5D and it will be interesting to see if this is the camera that sets the benchmark. Does seem like a lot of technology for the sake of technology, although I'm glad Canon has actually moved with the times and is doing wireless flash trigger by the built-in flash.
 
I can't imagine why people who are into their full frame stuff would even give this a second thought? This is pure action sport focused, if you want to shoot landscapes or portraits or pictures of flowers choose the 5D MkII as none of the things added to this will really be of interest and the quality from full frame will trump this no problem.

Alternatively if you want a full frame camera with all the action capabilities, its still the D3 (or D700 if you want it cheaper) that you need.
 
I would have prefered a lower mp better low light / high iso option but will wait for the detail reviews to see how it fully performs here. Rob's pictures at 6400 seem to give an advantage to the 5d m2.
 
Given that noise is created by the senor receptor thingies generating an interference field with the others around them, its all largely down to receptor physical density (barring significant technology leaps, like say in 10 years of advancement!)

Between a 5D MkII and a 7D, of course the 5D is going to be less noisy - its sensor area is huge!

(better still would be of course lower res full frame.... D3/D700)
 
desantnik said:
I can't imagine why people who are into their full frame stuff would even give this a second thought? This is pure action sport focused, if you want to shoot landscapes or portraits or pictures of flowers choose the 5D MkII as none of the things added to this will really be of interest and the quality from full frame will trump this no problem.
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What if you shoot nature and want a lighter camera with better AF to complement your 1DsII? I'd have a 5D if it had better AF but it doesn't and so I don't. I (like many people who take pictures of wildlife) shoot full frame by default but some times want a lighter lens/camera combination for the same field of view.

indolent said:
I would have prefered a lower mp better low light / high iso option but will wait for the detail reviews to see how it fully performs here. Rob's pictures at 6400 seem to give an advantage to the 5d m2.
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As it should. But for the pixel density it looks pretty good to me. Since I've never found an AF system that can track moving subjects in very low light I'm more interested in up to 1600.

1DMARKII said:
Is it just me or is the image quality noticeably worse on the 7D than the 5D II using these two samples shot at the same settings:
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5D is better but the 7D is pretty impressive for what it is.

As I said further up the thread, I'm interested in real results from the field and that will take time to come through.
 
It could be you, it could be the lighting. I lined up the top left corners of my screen for the DMC threads, and the wine bottles (for some reason, the lhs looks out-of-focus to me) for both images.
The 7d, I could see more detail on the threads, and on the darker bottles, there appeared to be less noise


Edit: woops, images got swapped over!
 
desantnik said:
Given that noise is created by the senor receptor thingies generating an interference field with the others around them, its all largely down to receptor physical density (barring significant technology leaps, like say in 10 years of advancement!)

Between a 5D MkII and a 7D, of course the 5D is going to be less noisy - its sensor area is huge!

(better still would be of course lower res full frame.... D3/D700)
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I'm starting to get the impression from your past 2 posts you're a nikon shooter ;)

The 1d MKIII should be around the 7d price second hand, and with it's 1.3 crop it's like that hovis loaf - best of both ;)
 
desantnik said:
(better still would be of course lower res full frame.... D3/D700)
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Only if you don't need the resolution though. And, if you don't need the resolution, than the image down sizing for prints helps lower the noise. It's not as clear cut as you might think...
 
1DMARKII said:
Is it just me or is the image quality noticeably worse on the 7D than the 5D II using these two samples shot at the same settings:

5D MARK II

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D2/FULLRES/E5D2hSLI06400_NR_OFF.HTM

7D:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/FULLRES/E7DhSLI06400_NR_OFF.HTM

Maybe I am just trying to justify my recent purchase :)
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The 5D has better contrast (look at the light blue square with the dark blue patches), and less noise look at the black square (less red "bits), and better definition to me too (on all the colours).
 
Can't wait to see what FF 1D will evolve from this:nuts:

Good to see Canon are seeing the light again...might make me stop lusting over a D3...

In the meantime my trusted old 1Ds MkII will have to do:thumbs:
 
combat squirrel said:
Aweful high ISO performance unfort, well i mean its good for 18mp, but still, ouch, 5dmk2 for me please
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Looks within a stop of the 5DII which I think is pretty good and I reckon it'll deliver good A4 prints at ISO 3200 which is good enough for me...
 
jon- said:
I'm starting to get the impression from your past 2 posts you're a nikon shooter ;)
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No, I'm just pointing out that so far in this thread we've heard people who want (as usual) FF, low noise and a ninja AF system. Just because when they say that I say the answer is Nikon and I use Nikon is neither here nor there...

Seriously!

As I said earlier on, taking the 7D for what it is (an almost top notch action sport camera), it looks good on paper. Maybe easier for 30/40/50D action photographers to get some better kit without the big jump to the 1D (probably still the best) or jump ship to a Nikon D300/300S.

If you are looking at it for any other reason (mainly FF), you are probably looking at the wrong camera, its meant to be for action!
 
Seems great, cant wait to have a play with this.
 
very interested in this as the improved AF and other fancy features brings it up to spec with some of the nicer nikons
which is good as I think in the D300 and D700 range nikon were moving ahead. noise/ISO and focusing wise
so no need to jump ship yet then :)

very happy they they've finally! included a wireless transmitter in the body!!
also rumourmill mentioned a lack of CF card slot, moving to SD instead. thankfully that was all crap! PHEW
 
I was thinking about getting the 5D MK2 and then i saw this. I am mainly doing portrait and studio work so do you think I'm better off with the 5D MK2 or this?
 
I think that the only useful thing that might have been for studio work, is the automatic changing of the AF point when the camera is held vertically or horizontally. Otherwise, surely you use AF->MF (if shooting a burst) or focus and recompose?
 
As a 50D user, I see the 7D as the next step up, rather than going for a 1D Mk III. It is a good inbetween body, which is more at the top end of the range.

Stu, if you can sell it for £1k then I will be selling up the 50D and investing in a 7D :D
 
Bottom line is that

If you shoot a lot of moving subject, far away mostly, then 7D.

If you shoot people, closer, who don't move around so much, 5Dii.

If you have lots of money, and cover both in one camera, 1DsMK3.
 
Do you honestly think he's going to be able to go from an RRP of £1699 to a sale price of £1000?

What sort of margin do you think there is?
 
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