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michael23 said:
I considered that as a replacement for my canon 200 2.8 which doesnt af any more, i cant imagine a compatibility issue, but you never know of course :)
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Yup, not part of the new range so can't update the firmware, but seem to be £300 mark second hand. Prob worth a punt if I go down this line.
 
I have just pre-ordered a 7D Mark II (body only) to replace my much loved 70D. I mainly (>95%) shoot wildlife and no video whatsoever.

Why? -

(1) - More advanced and faster Autofocus system and hence tracking etc.

(2) - Faster frame rate of 10 fps.

(3) - Customisable joystick shortcut to Autofocus patterns.

(4) - Better match with my Canon telephoto lenses when Canon Extenders are used - I have the 1.4x III.

(5) - More robust/weatherproof construction. Hence matching my lenses - All of which are L versions.

I'm not bothered by the lack of touchscreen, in fact I'll be glad because it's too easy to touch the wrong spot accidentally in LiveView. I'll miss the 70D's articulated screen but the 7D's other features more than compensate.

I really hadn't expected to be selling my 70D so soon but the 7D II is very specifically aimed at wildlife and action photographers and offers improved features accordingly.

As always, it's 'horses-for-courses' and it's great that Canon offer such a range of bodies and lenses in their DSLR system.
 
RedRobin said:
I have just pre-ordered a 7D Mark II (body only) to replace my much loved 70D. I mainly (>95%) shoot wildlife and no video whatsoever.

Why? -

1. New and shiny
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Why pay the early-bird premium instead of waiting until March when the price will be £350 cheaper?
 
hollis_f said:
Why pay the early-bird premium instead of waiting until March when the price will be £350 cheaper?
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Plus Canon will do a promotion around the same time which will include the grip for free. I can wait until then, there won't be many fast moving subjects around at Christmas time anyway. (apart from the Turkeys at Bernard Matthews farm)
 
hollis_f said:
Why pay the early-bird premium instead of waiting until March when the price will be £350 cheaper?
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Mike.P said:
Plus Canon will do a promotion around the same time which will include the grip for free.
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....Several reasons :)

- Interest free, no deposit, payment over 12 months. Helps cashflow.

- You or anyone else can't guarantee that it will be as early as March before there is a significant price drop nor exactly what that price drop will be. Supply and demand.

- I don't want a grip, thankyou. I only use the long lenses and I keep the tripod ring mounts on them and that makes portrait format shots easy (which I don't often shoot) and portraits are easy on a tripod anyway.

- I will be able to sell my 70D body sooner while it's still less than 12 months old. I have no desire to tramp around with two camera bodies by keeping my 70D.

- I'm 67yo and life isn't a rehearsal. I want it now - Simples.
 
Mike.P said:
That's the important bit ... enjoy your 7DII ;)
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....Thankyou, Mike! :)

I love my 70D and use it nearly every day. Consequently I understand exactly what the 7D II has to offer my photography with its differences. I'm not saying it will be perfect but it will enable me to further continue to improve.

Here is some of my work, all on 70D (my first DSLR) on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/114775606@N07/
 
cruso said:
Just seen the price for the grip
Canon Battery Grip BG-E16
Wow they know how to charge for the extras £250 for a grip
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....Just out of curiosity, how does that price compare with a 5D3 Canon battery grip? My favourite retailer Park Cameras doesn't stock it.
 
cruso said:
Just seen the price for the grip
Canon Battery Grip BG-E16
Wow they know how to charge for the extras £250 for a grip
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Disgraceful really and is tantamount to "Taking the P**s"

I have used 30-40 quid 3rd party Meike grips on every body owned over the last ten years and currently have a used genuine Canon. Little if any difference on quality and none in performance. Within weeks of this going on sale 3rd party grips will be available.
 
The review above was notable for

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Hands-on
We had the opportunity to get some brief hands-on time with a pre-production version of the 7D Mark II, and as expected, it feels very well built and extremely solid, just like the 7D and 5D Mark III before it. The deep, contoured handgrip will feel very familiar to users of the 7D and 5D Mark III, and is covered in Canon's typical rubberized material for a nice, secure hold.

i.e. thay had for 30 mins.

What no-one has a yet established & I appreciate that it has only just been been announced, is how it performs in low light.

Canon says it is built for low light, but haven't as yet provided as proper samples e.g. with a 400mm F/2.8 at ISO 6400 when the subject is under floodlights at the other end of the pitch.

For those that only shoot in good light I think the camera will be fantastic. However for the sports shooters who shoot at night I am not as yet convinced by the marketing department.

I have pre-ordered one as they are not due until November. Unless I see examples shot in the conditions above that prove it is as good as or better than a 1D4 I shall cancel.

It needs to be far far better than the 70D.
 
I replaced both my 7d's with a 70d and am in no rush to get a 7d mk2 till I see some results
I must have had 2 dud 7d's
 
bigrob said:
What no-one has a yet established & I appreciate that it has only just been been announced, is how it performs in low light.

Canon says it is built for low light, but haven't as yet provided as proper samples e.g. with a 400mm F/2.8 at ISO 6400 when the subject is under floodlights at the other end of the pitch.

For those that only shoot in good light I think the camera will be fantastic. However for the sports shooters who shoot at night I am not as yet convinced by the marketing department.

I have pre-ordered one as they are not due until November. Unless I see examples shot in the conditions above that prove it is as good as or better than a 1D4 I shall cancel.

It needs to be far far better than the 70D.
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....Listed technical specifications are different and more reliable than sales marketing verbage. The published tech specs very strongly and logically suggest that the 7D2 will indeed have excellent performance in low light conditions. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating but I believe there are technical reasons to be optimistic.... Very optimistic.
 
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bigrob said:
The review above was notable for

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Hands-on
We had the opportunity to get some brief hands-on time with a pre-production version of the 7D Mark II, and as expected, it feels very well built and extremely solid, just like the 7D and 5D Mark III before it. The deep, contoured handgrip will feel very familiar to users of the 7D and 5D Mark III, and is covered in Canon's typical rubberized material for a nice, secure hold.

i.e. thay had for 30 mins.

What no-one has a yet established & I appreciate that it has only just been been announced, is how it performs in low light.

Canon says it is built for low light, but haven't as yet provided as proper samples e.g. with a 400mm F/2.8 at ISO 6400 when the subject is under floodlights at the other end of the pitch.

For those that only shoot in good light I think the camera will be fantastic. However for the sports shooters who shoot at night I am not as yet convinced by the marketing department.

I have pre-ordered one as they are not due until November. Unless I see examples shot in the conditions above that prove it is as good as or better than a 1D4 I shall cancel.

It needs to be far far better than the 70D.
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Exactly the thing I'm waiting for. As soon as I see some impressive high ISO stuff like you've listed above i'll be placing an order for a 7d ii on release day.
 
I would love to be proved wrong but the fact Canon have hardly mentioned low light performance but instead are making a lot of noise about the new improved multi point af system makes me think that high ISO and dynamic range haven't been improved that much. If it had I'm sure it would be the first thing they shouted about considering the current comparisons between Canon and Sony sensors.

Edit: I also wonder if that's why it is priced a lot lower than was first predicted ... with a decent improvement in DR and noise control they could have easily charged a couple of hundred quid more imo.
 
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I don't think there's a point to expecting a crop camera to be outstanding in low light. It's just setting yourself up to be disappointed.
From the comparisons i've seen so far, it at least equals the 70D in high iso performance. I'd be happy with that, seeing how significant numbers of people were moving from the 7D to the 70D for the improved image quality.
I'd still move to the mk2 just for the AF if it had the old 7D sensor. I'm ok with my 7D's image quality (for wildlife photography). I have a 1D4 as well if really high iso is required.
 
Can't access that manual on my phone at the moment. If anyone is reading through it, any mention of lens micro adjust function ?
 
Mike.P said:
I would love to be proved wrong but the fact Canon have hardly mentioned low light performance but instead are making a lot of noise about the new improved multi point af system makes me think that high ISO and dynamic range haven't been improved that much.
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Canon know full well what people didn't like about the Mk1 (i.e. the low light performance) so I can't imagine for one minute that they've not pulled the stops out to make a significant improvement to it. We shall see in due course but it'll be one huge gaff if the performance is the same as now, and they just ain't that stupid.
 
WilliamC said:
Canon know full well what people didn't like about the Mk1 (i.e. the low light performance) so I can't imagine for one minute that they've not pulled the stops out to make a significant improvement to it. We shall see in due course but it'll be one huge gaff if the performance is the same as now, and they just ain't that stupid.
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....Exactly! I understand that Canon and other companies at the sharp end of offering their products in an extremely competitive market section, employ people to listen to consumers (I am including professionals in that term) and that includes reading forum discussions! Specialist forums are a very valuable resource to companies - I know this to be absolutely true.

Of course listening to and understanding consumer wishes and demands doesn't guarantee that every wish is their command - There are many other influencing factors and digital camera systems are technically complex (as we already know).

A prosumer 7-series D might temporarily match some of the qualities of a professional category 1-series D but the 1-series will leap ahead again on the next upgrade. Individual features and components are constantly being developed and used across the whole range of DSLR camera bodies (costs permitting). It's an ever upwards climb and technology never stands still.
 
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bigrob said:
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What no-one has a yet established & I appreciate that it has only just been been announced, is how it performs in low light.
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That will be the deciding factor for me.

I like the fact that the controls / menus are neigh-on identical to my 5DIII (ideal for the 'hard-of-thinking!), and with half way decent low light performance, this for me would make an ideal complementary / back-up body.
 
jm2 said:
Yes it hast it, also Wide & Tele for Zoom lenses.
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Thanks for that Joe, so its the same as the 6D 5DmkIII then. A much better and more versatile system than the old implementation on the 50D, 7D etc. I'm glad they didn't omit that.

So really this is a substantial upgrade regardless of what many think. Lets face it, dual memory slots, very advanced AF, brilliant Low Light capability at high ISO (allegedly), 10fps, Gps, Pro level weather sealing, Wide and Tele Micro adjust on multiple lenses, 65 point all cross type AF, 16000iso ,51200 (boosted), antiflicker technology (great for indoor sports shooting) and all in a crop body. Yet still people saying its an underwhelming update !!
Gimme a break. :naughty:
 
I'm still unsure as to why so many people are placing so much emphasis on low-light performance.

If that's what you need then buy a camera designed for low-light performance. If you want a camera designed to capture fast moving things then get a 7D. If you want both then you'll need to get your wallet out.
 
Indoor sports, notoriously poorly lit churches (Weddings), Keeping shutter speeds fast for Wildlife shots with super/large teles with high minimum fStops. There's 3 reasons right there. Unless you are shooting exclusively in the studio under controlled lighting conditions and tripod mounted then a camera capable of clean high ISO shooting is one of the best tools in your box. Will you need it all the time ? Of course not but you will need it and that's the point really isn't it ? Most enthusiast shooters shoot in a huge variety of situations and I would rather carry a camera that can deal with most situations. If your the kind of shooter who has a very specific set of requirements then why care what this camera can or cant do.
 
Gazamonk said:
Indoor sports, notoriously poorly lit churches (Weddings), Keeping shutter speeds fast for Wildlife shots with super/large teles with high minimum fStops. There's 3 reasons right there. Unless you are shooting exclusively in the studio under controlled lighting conditions and tripod mounted then a camera capable of clean high ISO shooting is one of the best tools in your box. Will you need it all the time ? Of course not but you will need it and that's the point really isn't it ? Most enthusiast shooters shoot in a huge variety of situations and I would rather carry a camera that can deal with most situations. If your the kind of shooter who has a very specific set of requirements then why care what this camera can or cant do.
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Couldn't have put it better myself, thank you for saving me the trouble Gary!
 
Gazamonk said:
So really this is a substantial upgrade regardless of what many think. Lets face it, dual memory slots, very advanced AF, brilliant Low Light capability at high ISO (allegedly), 10fps, Gps, Pro level weather sealing, Wide and Tele Micro adjust on multiple lenses, 65 point all cross type AF, 16000iso ,51200 (boosted), antiflicker technology (great for indoor sports shooting) and all in a crop body. Yet still people saying its an underwhelming update !!
Gimme a break. :naughty:
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....Exactly why I am happy to take the plunge to pre-order a 7D Mark II. It's a very low risk as far as my photography is concerned and with many more pros than cons as an upgrade from my much loved 70D.

Also, as Gary @Gazamonk suggests, the 7D II is just one body in a whole range of DSLR bodies offered by Canon. We should rejoice that we have a practical walkabout system camera which offers many options.

Simply choose the right horse for your course.
 
I often shoot Gigs and Roller Derby, Fast and Dark, even with a 70-200 2.8 I struggle with the 3200iso of my 50D, so the that is why people what low light performance, forgive me for saying but that was a really stupid question!

This looks to be the camera for me, I love the new grip too, looks to be a revelation on the 50d Grip. It has an AF On button (why the 50D's grip didn't I will never know.) It also has the Focus point selector or it. I even don't mind the Price, however it's another £300 for the grip and a spare battery which frankly I think is a p*** take! I'll wait till they offer a deal with the Grip then go for it I think.
 
WilliamC said:
Canon know full well what people didn't like about the Mk1 (i.e. the low light performance) so I can't imagine for one minute that they've not pulled the stops out to make a significant improvement to it. We shall see in due course but it'll be one huge gaff if the performance is the same as now, and they just ain't that stupid.
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If that were the case would you not be making sure it was the first thing mentioned on your press release, celebrity tog interview and then every preview video? I would be shouting loud and hard that the 7DII is the answer to the 7D MKI users prayers ... and Canon haven't. Just because people didn't like the low light performance of the MKI didn't stop Canon selling them by the bucket load.

Personally I'm quite impressed by the low light performance of my EF-M which I think uses the 60D sensor so if the 7DMKII is using an updated version from the 70D then it would probably do me. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.
 
Gazamonk said:
Indoor sports, notoriously poorly lit churches (Weddings), Keeping shutter speeds fast for Wildlife shots with super/large teles with high minimum fStops. There's 3 reasons right there. Unless you are shooting exclusively in the studio under controlled lighting conditions and tripod mounted then a camera capable of clean high ISO shooting is one of the best tools in your box. Will you need it all the time ? Of course not but you will need it and that's the point really isn't it ? Most enthusiast shooters shoot in a huge variety of situations and I would rather carry a camera that can deal with most situations. If your the kind of shooter who has a very specific set of requirements then why care what this camera can or cant do.
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For weddings, you'd naturally choose a 6d. Full frame, great high ISO and low light AF. You wouldn't want a 7d2 for that really.

That's the wrong tool for the job (but would still do a good job in the right hands).
 
The only advantage of full frame 6D at a wedding would surely be shallower DoF and even then its not a deal breaker. A 7D mk2 with a 17-55 f2.8 or a fast prime would have all the shallow DoF you should need. Bigger sensor? Yes but have you met a bride yet that wanted 8ft by 6 ft prints. :naughty:

Popcorn at the ready, let the fight begin. lol
 
Gazamonk said:
The only advantage of full frame 6D at a wedding would surely be shallower DoF and even then its not a deal breaker. A 7D mk2 with a 17-55 f2.8 or a fast prime would have all the shallow DoF you should need. Bigger sensor? Yes but have you met a bride yet that wanted 8ft by 6 ft prints. :naughty:

Popcorn at the ready, let the fight begin. lol
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What about the high iso quality? That's the main reason i see people moving to full frame. Not sure why people are thinking the 7Dmk2 will have full frame performance in that regard.
 
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