Canon 7D vs Nikon D7000 ?

Have you considered the lens ranges?

Both offer pretty comprehensive lens ranges with great quality, but canon/nikon/pentax all have their strong points.

Canon has a great range of tele-photo's, with the 70-200 f/4L's, the 100-400L, the 300 f/4 IS, the 400 f/5.6L and the stunning 70-200 f/2.8 II and the mount is very adaptable to different older mounts, you can get adapters to use some great cheap old glass (all manual focus/stop down metering though)

Nikon has better stuff at the full frame wide end with the 16-35 vr, the stunning 14-24 and the 24-70 which is renowned as a bit better than the canon version, and a very nice 35mm f/1.8 DX that gives a classic 50mm FoV on crop DLSR's and more backwards compatibility than canon as you can at least mount any F mount lens, and possibly meter (depending on which body you get)

Pentax has fantastic short primes and pancake lenses which go excellently with in body stabilisation, and a lot of backwards compatibility so you can pick up any old K mount lens and use it to full capacity of whatever features it has.

It's worth considering the ups and downs of each lens range, as one may have better stuff that's suited to what you want to shoot with.

Over time, you'll find it makes far more sense investing in a lens system more suited to you than just going for the body with the most features.
 
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DemiLion said:
The point that I'm trying to make is that you are the sort of twit that spends their life trying to find reviews to make their point for them.

Just learn how to use the damned camera properly, then go and take some photographs. If you'd have done that with the 7D you had, you wouldn't have changed systems and wouldn't be bleating like a stuck troll.
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There were many reasons why I switched to Nikon, not just the camera body per se, although that was definitely a major benefit.
 
squishy said:
Nikon has better stuff at the full frame wide end with the 16-35 vr, the stunning 14-24 and the 24-70 which is renowned as a bit better than the canon version, and a very nice 35mm f/1.8 DX that gives a classic 50mm FoV on crop DLSR's and more backwards compatibility than canon as you can at least mount any F mount lens, and possibly meter (depending on which body you get)
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I can vouch for the 35mm 1.8, it's a great prime and it's tack sharp.
 
DemiLion said:
The point that I'm trying to make is that you are the sort of twit that spends their life trying to find reviews to make their point for them.

Just learn how to use the damned camera properly, then go and take some photographs. If you'd have done that with the 7D you had, you wouldn't have changed systems and wouldn't be bleating like a stuck troll.
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lol dont beat about the bush, tell him what you really feel :lol:
 
Most definitely a troll - start having reasoned discussions and you don't get replies ;)
 
arad85 said:
Most definitely a troll - start having reasoned discussions and you don't get replies ;)
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Yarp.

Tbh it's turning into a DPR stylee thread - which is a bit pathetic really.



anyway...

WannaTakePix said:
Any views on this my learned friends?
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Basically you have to take onboard that picking a camera system (emphasised deliberately) is a very personal thing. The real differences between both Canon's and Nikon's offerings in each bracket is minimal for the most part. You'd be much better off weighing up the associated costs of light (flash), lenses and accessories (software, addy on bits etc etc) and deciding on that basis.

As mentioned above, the old concept of Canon for Sports and Wildlife, Nikon for Art, Portraits et al isn't too far off the mark.

What you have to take onboard however is that all this claptrap about dynamic ranges, hairbreadth sensitivity in AF and ISO comparisons are for the most part complete and utter BS; the majority of photographers don't even get close to stretching the capabilities of their camera.

This is what I meant by a DPR argument; for the greater part several posters on there just want to argue about whether their camera strap is longer than the bloke's next door!
 
DemiLion said:
You'd be much better off weighing up the associated costs of light (flash), lenses and accessories (software, addy on bits etc etc) and deciding on that basis.
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This is very true. Unfortunately, people starting out with DSLRs don't have the knowledge to do this sensibly (which lens lengths would I use, what apertures do I need, what quality do I want) and by the time they do, they're already locked into one or other system.

As to the opinion of extra costs associated with software, once you get a workflow, you will probably start looking at third party tools such as lightroom/PS and they cost the same whether your camera is Canon, Nikon or a Tescos value digital camera...
 
WannaTakePix said:
the Nikon doesn't come with any software and you have to pay extra for it, the Canon comes with software"
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"Nikon has a 2 year warranty" - but would you get separate camera insurance to cover accidental damage also?

Any views on this my learned friends?
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I've never used the software that came with either of my canons - I use PSE 5 (its up t 9 now but 5 does what i need so i dont see any point in upgrading)and Lightroom

and on the warranty you definitely ought to get insurance as well (or extend your house insurance) as warranty doesnt cover user error, accidental damage, or theft.
 
Just noticed a D300s is currently 20% off in Currys making it £919.2
or
Would you stay clear of them & go to a local camera shop like Jacobs or Jessops ?
 
WannaTakePix said:
Just noticed a D300s is currently 20% off in Currys making it £919.2
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Would you stay clear of them & go to a local camera shop like Jacobs or Jessops ?
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curry's (and most non camera retailers for that matter) are crap if you want advice on the camera - but if you know what you want and they are cheap go for it

(Incidentally if that offers on their website you could also go via quidco and get another 3% off/back)

if you do want advice i'd give jessops a swerve as well and go to a propper camera shoop like mifsud, t4, ffordes, lce etc
 
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big soft moose said:
curry's (and most non camera retailers for that matter) are crap if you want advice on the camera...

if you do want advice i'd give jessops a swerve as well and go to a propper camera shoop like mifsud, t4, ffordes, lce etc
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I agree, was in Curry's and the answers were so obvious he had no idea what he was taking about...."The D7...errm about 2 to 3 or 4 years"...
I switched after that point.

I agree about Jessops too, even though there might be 1 or 2 guys who know what they are talking about, the majority I've come across are "label readers"...HELLO I CAN READ THE LABEL !!!

I would add Jacobs to "Proper" camera shop list, personally I've found them very knowledgeable and from my experience they don't seem to have a
"I know about stuff I obviously don't know" mentality, rather if I don't know talk to Joe/Joanne who does.

Cheapest on Camera Buster for the D300s is : £1007.50 delivered
http://www.wilkinson.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=19546
 
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Heh, that puts it at near the same price as a D7000 (Grays of Westminster among others have it at £899, cheaper than Currys).

My opinion would be to forget the D300s (not because it's bad, but because you're seemingly not likely to use the advantages it has over the D7000) and get a D7000 or 7D. 7D if you're going to do outdoor sports on a moderate budget (Nikon has nothing like the 70-200mm F4s), D7000 if you're going to be doing more low light picture taking. Both work incredibly well, both will do near everything you want them to.

As far as the 7D AF being unintuitive....the D7000's is exactly the same in that regard. Auto area AF on any camera is an abomination, because you're effectively hoping the camera will correctly read your mind. The reason people suddenly had problems with it is because the 7D could choose from a lot more things to focus on thanks to its AF system.
To get the D7000 to do what I want it to, I have to use modes that require a choice of what to focus on. Anything else is unnecessarily reducing keeper rate :p:
 
Well I looked at tje 7D and the Nikon D300s

In the end I preferred the feel of the 7D.

Now then, having bought it and read subsequent reviews of the D7000, did I get buyers remorse? It's got a higher dynamic range don't you know? So what. I need to expose & compose better anyway.

What I got with the 7D was an amazing machine, (coming from a Panny FZ28) which has so far captured 1000s of shots and given me a massively pleasurable learning curve.

The same would be true if I'd gone for the d300s or indeed the d7000.

Quite frankly, I don't think it matters between your two choices.

So. Buy a camera, shoot and enjoy.

Flip a coin if it helps.
 
ausemmao said:
.....and get a D7000 or 7D. 7D if you're going to do outdoor sports on a moderate budget...

As far as the 7D AF being unintuitive....the D7000's is exactly the same in that regard. Auto area AF on any camera is an abomination, because you're effectively hoping the camera will correctly read your mind.
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As I said in a previous post on this thread I had my heart set on a D7000, until I saw the Camerlabs review of the D7000 & it's Buffers' limitations.
&
I was wondering when mind reading technology was introduced, but didn't want anyone to think I thought I was an "expert" or anything

Thinking about it, whilst reading the replies on this thread... (thanks for EVERYBODY'S input, regardless of nails) ....I'm new to this and guess wanted to hedge my bets if by trying a bit of everything I could find out what I'd like to concentrate on more.

I definitely want to do portrait, if that includes family photo's & street photography...
I would like to shoot amazing Landscapes and architecture...
I am also very interested in Macro-photography and capturing what's rarely seen by the naked eye...
& Sports appeals for being able to capture the RAW action & being an avid Sports Fan - just wonder how much of a chance I'd get to do it...

BTW, I'm enjoying the journey...

Thanks again, thus far...
 
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Maybe if it is that hard to choose between the bodies you should check out the lenses? Maybe there is something on one lineup that the other does not have?

For example Canon has IS on their premium "walkaround" while Nikon does not, and they also have a more affordable 70-200 in the F/4 version that Nikon does not? They also have a lot of uber telephoto lenses if that might ever interest you.

For landscapes/architectures neither has a great UWA for cropped cameras but the Nikkor does have an excellent 12-24. It also seems to have the advantage on plenty of cheaper high quality primes if you are into that at all.
 
vrapan said:
For landscapes/architectures neither has a great UWA for cropped cameras but the Nikkor does have an excellent 12-24.
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Canon has the well renowned 10-22mm EF-s

The excellent tokina 11-16mm is also another popular choice as a crop sensor wide angle available for both mounts.
 
squishy said:
Canon has the well renowned 10-22mm EF-s

The excellent tokina 11-16mm is also another popular choice as a crop sensor wide angle available for both mounts.
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and sigma have a 10-20 available in both mounts
 
squishy said:
Canon has the well renowned 10-22mm EF-s

The excellent tokina 11-16mm is also another popular choice as a crop sensor wide angle available for both mounts.
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I didn't think the Canon was as well regarded as the 12-24 Nikkor and the Tokina is a benefit to neither as it exists for both.
 
vrapan said:
I didn't think the Canon was as well regarded as the 12-24 Nikkor and the Tokina is a benefit to neither as it exists for both.
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If anything, I've heard it was regarded as a bit better.
It's supposed to have extremely low distortions for such a wide angle.
 
ausemmao said:
As far as the 7D AF being unintuitive....the D7000's is exactly the same in that regard. Auto area AF on any camera is an abomination, because you're effectively hoping the camera will correctly read your mind. The reason people suddenly had problems with it is because the 7D could choose from a lot more things to focus on thanks to its AF system.
To get the D7000 to do what I want it to, I have to use modes that require a choice of what to focus on. Anything else is unnecessarily reducing keeper rate :p:
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Well I personally wasn't talking Auto area AF, I never ever use such a setting, I hear it's only good for BIF, but I don't shoot those either.
 
I say the 7D is a good allround camera, it does landscapes, it does birds in flight, it does portraiture and I have no quibbles with it at all.

For an ultrawide angle then the Tokina 11-16 is a great choice I feel
 
MomentCapture said:
Which is wider on the D7k
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so you're saying the D7k has a larger sensor (less crop) - in that case long lenses will be less long so its swings and roundabouts for an all rounder.

how about showing us some actual pictures you've taken with the D7K or with your 7D when you had one
 
Below was shot on D7K

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At the end of the day though, often you don't need such a feature rich camera, it's just a higher end camera can make life easier.

Below is some of my early shots when I was starting out with my much loved 550D.

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^^^
Thanks

Below is the settings used.

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Below is a recycled post from another forum, explaining how I went about the shot.

"Thanks, those are some good points.
What I did to minimise those issues was to angle the camera/flower so that I could get the majority of the flower within the F2's focal plane but without looking weird, so I could blur as much of the background as possible, which has left the only the tips of the Petals OOF.
Also I didn't have any issue with getting the focus in the right spot hand-holding, as I have my camera set so it won't take a picture unless the focus point has locked focus, so then I compose the frame and just move the focus point to the centre of the flower, so I didn't have to focus/recompose which limits the time you can lean forwards or backwards before the shutter is released, I was also able to avoid doing any cropping this way as well."
 
WannaTakePix said:
Prime Lens?
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yep thats a 50mm f1.4 (about 200 odd notes and available for both canon and nikon)

oon the whole (and i'm prepared to be corrected on this) you dont get zooms that go below f2.8 on account of the weight and size
 
WannaTakePix said:
Prime Lens?
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Yep, it was the first lens I got for the D7K, I like the 'D' lenses because they focus really fast on a D7K.
I'v now got and can recommend the following:
35mm 1.8
50mm 1.4
85mm 1.8
20mm 2.8 (sending back to store, as my copy at least was rubbish)

Tamron 17-50mm 2.8
Originally I purchased a new A16II version (with motor = Sloooow focus) but it front focussed pretty badly, so I returned it. But managed to find a relatively rare and older 'D' mount copy without the motor which I had previously searched high and low for as this version focuses really fast.

Below is an example of the fast version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHsJ4ZRccw

Below is an example of the slow version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em-pra9tvc&feature=related
 
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MomentCapture said:
Below was shot on D7K
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Well.. whatever I think of your arguments of 7D vs the rest of the Canon bodies, those are very good pictures. Credit where credit is due :)
 
arad85 said:
Crop: yes. Water proof: no. It is "weather sealed" whatever that means....
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I've seen a 1d mk iv soaked in water and it was fine

Will the 7d sustain in a rainy or snowy day? I don't mean if it can be dipped in a swimming pool lol
 
jonneymendoza said:
Will the 7d sustain in a rainy or snowy day? I don't mean if it can be dipped in a swimming pool lol
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Yes, people use the weather sealed bodies in rainy/snowy days - assuming you are using an appropriate weather sealed lenses. The problem comes when you try and define what "weather sealed" means. For example, what do you define as a rainy day - a bit of light rain or driving storms?
 
MomentCapture said:
Yep, it was the first lens I got for the D7K, I like the 'D' lenses because they focus really fast on a D7K.
I'v now got and can recommend the following:
35mm 1.8
50mm 1.4
85mm 1.8
20mm 2.8 (sending back to store, as my copy at least was rubbish)

Tamron 17-50mm 2.8
Originally I purchased a new A16II version (with motor = Sloooow focus) but it front focussed pretty badly, so I returned it. But managed to find a relatively rare and older 'D' mount copy without the motor which I had previously searched high and low for as this version focuses really fast.

Below is an example of the fast version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHsJ4ZRccw

Below is an example of the slow version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em-pra9tvc&feature=related
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Sorry for the diversion from the main topic but do you mean that if I stick my motorised Tamron in a motorised body (D90/D7000) it will still be using the lens motor to focus? Hm wouldn't like that I can tell you already
 
MomentCapture said:
Thanks mate, I appreciate the compliment, which probably wasn't easy. :beer:
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I did have a bit of a wry smile on my face... But I still disagree with you on the 7D/550D/60D/600D story ;) :D
 
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