Canon 7D vs Nikon D7000 ?

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Hi Everybody,

I am new to photography & would like to dabble in a bit of everything including Sports.

So, what would you go for : the Canon 7D or the Nikon D7000 & why?

I've been in stores and had a feel & both FEEL good.

I've been recommended to go for a 18-200mm to go with the body I choose.
Do we think this is the best option for an all-rounder starter lens?

Thanks,

WTP
 
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WannaTakePix said:
Hi Everybody,

I am new to photography & would like to dabble in a bit of everything including Sports.

So, what would you go for : the Canon 7D or the Nikon D7000 & why?

I've been in stores and had a feel & both FEEL good.

I've been recommended to go for a 18-200mm to go with the body I choose.
Do we think this is the best option for an all-rounder starter lens?

Thanks,

WTP
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my suggestion would be to spend less on the body and more on the glass - both the bodies you suggest are good - but for the same money you could get a 60D and a couple of lenses (if you want to do sports you need at least 300mm - and ideally save up/budget for something like a 150-500)
 
big soft moose said:
my suggestion would be to spend less on the body and more on the glass - both the bodies you suggest are good - but for the same money you could get a 60D and a couple of lenses (if you want to do sports you need at least 300mm - and ideally save up/budget for something like a 150-500)
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Same goes for the Nikon camp, a D90 will leave you with an extra 300£ to top up your lenses budget.

Though if I was starting now I'd take the plunge with a D7000 with the Kit lens, see what kind of photography you like and invest on lenses accordingly. I definitely wouldn't spend 500£ on a 18-200. It won't do justice to your D7000.
 
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also i dont know if nikon are simliar effected but with the situation in japan you will be lucky to find somewhere thats got a 7D in stock - make sure you arent ordering on 'back order' before you part with your wedge
 
Nikon has the better sensor

Canon has the better AF and burst rate.

Going by tradition, shouldnt the D7000 be compared with the 60D as the 7D was bought out to compete with the D300s
 
Buffer size is the weakest point in the D7000 but can be minimised with a decently fast SDHC card.
As you do a bit of everything, the D7K is still an easy choice imo.
 
mcc49 said:
Nikon has the better sensor

Canon has the better AF and burst rate.

Going by tradition, shouldnt the D7000 be compared with the 60D as the 7D was bought out to compete with the D300s
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About even IMO, Quite allot of folks complaining of challenging/inconsistent 7D AF compared to other cameras.
 
Should I be looking to a 60D then?

Bearing in mind the:
- 7D AF issues
- D7000 Buffer limitations
- dated D90
- extra money freed up for another lens
 
WannaTakePix said:
Should I be looking to a 60D then?

Bearing in mind the:
- 7D AF issues
- D7000 Buffer limitations
- dated D90
- extra money freed up for another lens
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60D is the cheapest which will allow you to put a little extra £ into some decent glass, although it's a bit too feature lacking for my taste.
D7k is the best body IMO but it's also good value considering the cost of a 7D, but it is more expensive than the 60D which means you'l have a little less to put towards glass.
 
Another couple of bits I picked up along the way...

"the Nikon doesn't come with any software and you have to pay extra for it, the Canon comes with software"
&
"Nikon has a 2 year warranty" - but would you get separate camera insurance to cover accidental damage also?
 
Don't forget the Nikon D5100 which has the same sensor as the D7000, but with a swivel screen and fewer external controls.
 
MomentCapture said:
About even IMO, Quite allot of folks complaining of challenging/inconsistent 7D AF compared to other cameras.
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Boulderdash.... The 7D doesn't have focus issues, it's just a very advanced focus system with multiple options, and it takes a while for the user to understand which is the best focus solution to use for a given situation.

There has been a thread about some 7D's stopping focusing, but they're few and far between.

Steve
 
WannaTakePix said:
Should I be looking to a 60D then?

Bearing in mind the:
- 7D AF issues
- D7000 Buffer limitations
- dated D90
- extra money freed up for another lens
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Not wishing to complicate things for you, but there is also the Nikon D300S to consider...
 
7D focus issues... Put the 7D in 19 point auto select focus and watch noobs getting 80-90% of the shots out of focus... It turns a very capable camera into something a thousand times worse than a cheap p&s as the focus system is designed to lock onto the nearest thing in the frame. Don't diss the camera because of the user (which must be the majority of those who have issues).
 
Below is the kind of thing I often hear about the 7D...

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=12463147

"Now, in response to a request, My quick tips for anyone struggling with the 7D

In general:

The 7D has a strong AA filter and needs heavier sharpening, In my experience I have to add +25 sharpening to my files in Lightroom, and then for websize I output with the "sharpen for screen" setting enabled (Flickr also FURTHER sharpens them...)

The 7D's focus system is a bit esoteric, its not bad but its definitely very picky at times, I was having issues with it until i discovered that it can also be a bit counter intuitive, I switched from using Spot AF to single point for smaller subjects and that because Spot AF tends to be a bit too "sensitive" in my experience and lock onto something at the very edge of the focus point as opposed to stuff more in the center of it, Single point is a bit less sensative and tends to work better for smaller detail work in my experience (As i said, counter intuitive) The other focus modes have their uses but for most stuff, your bread and butter is single point AF...."
 
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How much are you going to shoot sports? Because if more than a little, I'd forget the D90 and 60D. Their AF systems can't keep up with the D7000, 7D and D300s. The D7000's shallow buffer IS an issue, and one that even UHS-I cards don't solve, they just make it go from wall punchingly frustrating to headbangingly so. If you're doing slower paced sports or ones with regular, spaced action, then that mitigates it somewhat. If it's bursty (nothing interesting for a bit, then a flurry of action, then nothing) then you will need to bear the buffer in mind. The 7D and D300s have no such problems.

As far as glass goes, as fast as you can so the AF is as quick as possible. Length wise entirely depends on what you shoot. Wakeboarding from the boat needs different lengths (200mm, 50 if in a tube) to martial arts (15-100mm depending where you are relative to the action), to football or rugby (200-400).

Taking sports aside, they're all good, go with the one that feels the best. :)
 
arad85 said:
7D focus issues... Put the 7D in 19 point auto select focus and watch noobs getting 80-90% of the shots out of focus... It turns a very capable camera into something a thousand times worse than a cheap p&s as the focus system is designed to lock onto the nearest thing in the frame. Don't diss the camera because of the user (which must be the majority of those who have issues).
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you have hit the nail on the head, avoid 19 point auto select focus and you wont have any focus issues.....!! I know about 7 people including myself who all started off with 19 point and had issues on the first few outings. Its all about understanding your gear.

Daz
 
7D vs D7000 - it doesn't matter. Just choose the one you like best - they are both fab cameras. 18-200 - no, I wouldn't. A lens of that variation in focal length has too many compromises. I don't know the Nikon lenses well, but I'd go with 15-85 or 17-55 with the 7D. You won't be disappointed with either of those lenses IMHO.

Beware - the 7D is a very capable camera - it will take time to learn how it works....
 
WannaTakePix said:
May have hit the nail on the head, but unfortuneately - the wrong nail.
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I love the way you start out telling us you're new to photography and end up an expert on the 7D despite not owning or using one. Sensible advice doesn't seem to be worth the typing effort!
 
CT said:
I love the way you start out telling us you're new to photography and end up an expert on the 7D despite not owning or using one. Sensible advice doesn't seem to be worth the typing effort!
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you have hit the nail on the head :lol:
 
CT said:
I love the way you start out telling us you're new to photography and end up an expert on the 7D despite not owning or using one. Sensible advice doesn't seem to be worth the typing effort!
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I read the comment as a joke and if it is it's not half bad... focus issue... the wrong nail... :lol: Well done op. :o)

OP... get the Nikon. They seem to be ahead in IQ at the mo.
 
arad85 said:
7D vs D7000 - it doesn't matter. Just choose the one you like best - they are both fab cameras. 18-200 - no, I wouldn't. A lens of that variation in focal length has too many compromises. I don't know the Nikon lenses well, but I'd go with 15-85 or 17-55 with the 7D. You won't be disappointed with either of those lenses IMHO.

Beware - the 7D is a very capable camera - it will take time to learn how it works....
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Thanks...
&
Apologies if others are offended by me wanting MY question answered.
 
woof woof said:
I read the comment as a joke and if it is it's not half bad... focus issue... the wrong nail... :lol: Well done op. :o)

OP... get the Nikon. They seem to be ahead in IQ at the mo.
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Exactly right...joke with a purpose :D

Thanks for you're reply.

I've had a look at Image Quality, I assume that is what IQ means.
From what I've seen I prefer the look of the more colourful Canon pics I've seen. When I mentioned this to somebody at a store they said "the Nikon will give the exact same result on Vivid mode"

or

Does Image Quality mean the true representation of the picture taken?
Photo colours match that of subject.

(hope I sound like an expert - doubt it though)
 
CT said:
I love the way you start out telling us you're new to photography and end up an expert on the 7D despite not owning or using one. Sensible advice doesn't seem to be worth the typing effort!
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I read that as him saying that the focus issue wasnt what his thread was supposed to be about - hence it being the wrong nail for this thread.

at the end of the day, when, the chips are down, and alls said and done *cliche mode off* It doesnt matter which one you pick out of the 7D, the D7000, the D90, or the 60D (or indeed other options like a second hand 1D2n ) - all of them are cameras capable of delivering good results and if you are new to photography you wont experience limitations for at least a couple of years, by which point there'l be something new on the market anyway.

which is why i said good glass is more important, because you'll experience the limitations of a cheap lens much sooner,
 
WannaTakePix said:
From what I've seen I prefer the look of the more colourful Canon pics I've seen. When I mentioned this to somebody at a store they said "the Nikon will give the exact same result on Vivid mode"
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thats all down to camera settings (how the camera processes the data) you can set a nikon up to shoot like a canon in that respect or vice versa - plus if you shoot RAW the processings done on the computer anyway

so it shouldnt really be a consideration

we could discuss which camera gives 'better' IQ until the cows come home and not reach a conclusion - but for someone new to togging it doesnt really matter - the IQ of either camera will be easily equal to your abilities and desires.
 
arad85 said:
Beware - the 7D is a very capable camera - it will take time to learn how it works....
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Lol, the 7D is so user 'un-friendly' it needs a 'warning' for how 'capable' it is.
Just give me a camera you can dial in the correct exposure, compose frame, aim and lock-focus, release shutter, and be confident the focus point is exactly where I aimed it.
 
MomentCapture said:
Lol, the 7D is so user 'un-friendly' it needs a 'warning' for how 'capable' it is.
Just give me a camera you can dial in the correct exposure, compose frame, aim and lock-focus, release shutter, and be confident the focus point is exactly where I aimed it.
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If you are not capable doing that with a 7D, stick with a P&S ;)
 
MomentCapture said:
Just give me a camera you can dial in the correct exposure, compose frame, aim and lock-focus, release shutter, and be confident the focus point is exactly where I aimed it.
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You can set the 7D up to do exactly that, but it doesn't come like that out of the box. Setting it up like that also doesn't use the 7D to its fullest potential either...
 
Go for a Pentax K-5, and enjoy being left out in the rain.
 
Why would someone new to photography want to purchase a pro camera? Its a huge amount of money to invest on a piece of kit that you may find far too complicated for your hobby - which you may give up.
I accept that your interests are football but for what use? Taking a few snapshots of your kids kicking the ball around on a Sunday morning can quite easily be done with a much less expensive set up than those suggested and will give you an equal amount of pleasure.
Think very carefully and perhaps buy second hand, but especially entry level until you are convinced this is the right thing to be doing
 
MomentCapture said:
Lol, the 7D is so user 'un-friendly' it needs a 'warning' for how 'capable' it is.
Just give me a camera you can dial in the correct exposure, compose frame, aim and lock-focus, release shutter, and be confident the focus point is exactly where I aimed it.
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Just because you are incapable of reading the manual or learning how it works, does not make the 7D any less a tool than it was designed to be; ie a very very capable action camera.

As for the 7d v D7000 question, it's the wrong comparison. You should be looking at the 300s if you want to go down the Nikon route.
 
cornishboy said:
Why would someone new to photography want to purchase a pro camera? Its a huge amount of money to invest on a piece of kit that you may find far too complicated for your hobby - which you may give up.
I accept that your interests are football but for what use? Taking a few snapshots of your kids kicking the ball around on a Sunday morning can quite easily be done with a much less expensive set up than those suggested and will give you an equal amount of pleasure.
Think very carefully and perhaps buy second hand, but especially entry level until you are convinced this is the right thing to be doing
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I disagree. You don't have to be a pro to buy a pro camera. I kinda wished I bought a semi pro cam instead of an entry level because now I am thinking of upgrading now
 
I bought the 500d as a starter camera although considered the 7d to start, I wish I had just bought the 7d to start with. Personally I find it very easy to use and get around the menu system and would and have recommend it to anyone. I've never had any AF issues but then usually shoot in single point.
 
TheNissanMan said:
I bought the 500d as a starter camera although considered the 7d to start, I wish I had just bought the 7d to start with. Personally I find it very easy to use and get around the menu system and would and have recommend it to anyone. I've never had any AF issues but then usually shoot in single point.
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I have a 400d and wished I started on. A 40d instead. Will most likely wait for the 9d to come out?
 
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